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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday June 11 2017, @06:36PM   Printer-friendly
from the just-look-at-the-comments-below dept.

NASA chief scientist weighs in

Americans are "under siege" from disinformation designed to confuse the public about the threat of climate change, Nasa's former chief scientist has said.

Speaking to the Guardian, Ellen Stofan, who left the US space agency in December, said that a constant barrage of half-truths had left many Americans oblivious to the potentially dire consequences of continued carbon emissions, despite the science being unequivocal.

"We are under siege by fake information that's being put forward by people who have a profit motive," she said, citing oil and coal companies as culprits. "Fake news is so harmful because once people take on a concept it's very hard to dislodge it."

During the past six months, the US science community has woken up to this threat, according to Stofan, and responded by ratcheting up efforts to communicate with the public at the grassroots level as well as in the mainstream press.

"The harder part is this active disinformation campaign," she said before her appearance at Cheltenham Science Festival this week. "I'm always wondering if these people honestly believe the nonsense they put forward. When they say 'It could be volcanoes' or 'the climate always changes'... to obfuscate and to confuse people, it frankly makes me angry."

Stofan added that while "fake news" is frequently characterised as a problem in the right-leaning media, she saw evidence of an "erosion of people's ability to scrutinise information" across the political spectrum. "All of us have a responsibility," she said. "There's this attitude of 'I read it on the internet therefore it must be true'."

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  • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:48PM (4 children)

    by vux984 (5045) on Sunday June 11 2017, @10:48PM (#524005)

    Capitalism is the only real solution: The weight of a person's "vote" depends on how productive that person's previous "votes" have been.

    This is just stupid on so many levels. You'd have to institute a 100% estate tax, and abolish all sorts of wealth transfers, trust funds, not to mention charities just to begin to have a system that doesn't weigh your vote on how productive someone ELSES previous votes have been. Then you'd need to wait a generation to start. And all that to prop up a system that rewards profiteering over any sort of intelligence... the person who gets away with stealing the most is the most important voter? the biggest pollutor? the shadiest casino operator? the slummiest landlord... they get the most votes?

    That is why democracy is a terrible idea; it gives equal voices to unequal people.

    You are actually quite right there. But *any* system of trying to assign weights to those voices to solve the problem is catastrophically worse.

    The best we can do is try to raise the average humans education level; and ensure they have enough free time and comfort to take more of an enlightened interest in politics.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @01:39AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @01:39AM (#524081)

    Nope. Inheritance is a legitimate bet/vote on the heir.

    If a self-made billionaire becomes incapacitated due to illness, he may transfer control of his capital to his son until he recovers—that is a bet that the billionaire makes on his son; he bets that his son will be a good steward of the decision-making power that such capital provides... but he could be wrong. This is no different than when the billionaire dies, and transfers that capital to his son as an inheritance.

    From here [soylentnews.org]:

    • People don't just hand resources to wealthy individuals; it must be maintained.

      If some playboy inherits wealth, then his bad bets means he will squander it away—which happens all the time! Good riddance to the fool! His decision-making power is being stripped away, saving the rest of society from enduring his idiotic allocation of resources.

      More to the point, though, what if he lives on the interest from his bank balance? Well, that interest money doesn't just come from nowhere: It comes from the fact that skilled people at a bank are making good bets with the capital that is made available by the playboy; if the playboy remains profitable in this fashion, then he is making a decent bet! Society is benefiting from his stewardship of that wealth, no matter how indirect that stewardship might be.

    • Poor people are not just potentially wealthy people who have happened to fall on hard times; for one, you'll notice that poor people tend to have a whole lot more children than wealthy people, and they tend to be much more obese, and suffer from indulgence-induced medical troubles (obesity, alcoholism, lung cancer, etc.); this seems totally backwards until you realize something: The vast majority of poor people are pretty damn stupid. Guess what? IQ testing bears this out; poor people are significantly dumber than even the middle class.

      This is why Democracy is a terrible idea: The fool's vote carries as much weight as the scholar's; the more that the dregs participate in decision-making, the more a society descends into socialism, and the quicker the whole machine goes tits up. It happens over and over and over throughout history. Keep the proles away from the controls.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @04:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @04:29PM (#524475)

      More insanity from the clueless department!

      "People don't just hand resources to wealthy individuals; it must be maintained."

      Once you get rich enough you can invest your money in pretty safe stuff and hire people to run everything. All the rich person has to do is make sure there bank balance matches reality close enough so they can catch embezzlement.

      #2: you're just a bigot who likes imagining that science has validated your bigotry. There have been plenty of smart people who fucked up and plenty of dumb people who have made the world a better place. Wisdom and intelligence are not always correlated. It doesn't take a genius to choose how to live, or how to set up government. Example: the current idiots trying to run things. Get your perversion of Natural Selection out of here! Go back to your basement and measure the brain capacities of dead people with some walnuts or something.

  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday June 12 2017, @08:16AM (1 child)

    by kaszz (4211) on Monday June 12 2017, @08:16AM (#524194) Journal

    the person who gets away with stealing the most is the most important voter? the biggest pollutor? the shadiest casino operator? the slummiest landlord... they get the most votes?

    The one that can publish the most valued scientific articles in a science that can stand up to deterministic falsification?
    Inventions?
    Plain IQ test?

    Ie there could be other ways than money to assign influence weight.

    • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Tuesday June 13 2017, @03:26PM

      by vux984 (5045) on Tuesday June 13 2017, @03:26PM (#524953)

      Of course there could be "other ways" to assign weight to a vote, but they're all terrible.

      "The one that can publish the most valued scientific articles in a science that can stand up to deterministic falsification?"

      Who decides the most valued scientific articles? And science is already often very political; if being deemed 'valuable' by some sort of 'valuation process' gave your votes more weight (ie power) it would be extremely competitive ... not to produce good science, just to produce more 'valuable articles', 'influence the valuation rules', etc...

      "Plain IQ test"

      Who writes the test? Who approves which questions are on it? Who decides when its free enough of cutural or racial biases? Political biases? Which languages can it be taken in? (ie are we testing your english fluency or your IQ? -- they aren't the same thing.) How high should the weighting on abstract maths be vs linguistic prowess? Who administers the test? Will their be a national holiday to take the test or will poor people need to take time off work and risk losing their job to travel to testing sites chosen to be difficult to reach by public transit, where they will be required to present a valid passport and two letters of reference? Can you go to any test center, or do you need to preregister, and then visit a specific center? How will the test content be kept secret and how will it be updated to prevent people from just memorizing the test or teaching to the test... will the administrators of the test be disallowed from voting since they will have access to the recources to the answer keys...? How do you deal with cheating?

      The *concept* of a voter test, to assure that people are some how qualified to vote isn't bad... but any implementation of that concept is such a minefield of implementation issues that one misstep results in massive disenfranchisement; and there will be lots of interest groups actively seeking to tilt things for or against various other groups.