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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday June 11 2017, @06:36PM   Printer-friendly
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NASA chief scientist weighs in

Americans are "under siege" from disinformation designed to confuse the public about the threat of climate change, Nasa's former chief scientist has said.

Speaking to the Guardian, Ellen Stofan, who left the US space agency in December, said that a constant barrage of half-truths had left many Americans oblivious to the potentially dire consequences of continued carbon emissions, despite the science being unequivocal.

"We are under siege by fake information that's being put forward by people who have a profit motive," she said, citing oil and coal companies as culprits. "Fake news is so harmful because once people take on a concept it's very hard to dislodge it."

During the past six months, the US science community has woken up to this threat, according to Stofan, and responded by ratcheting up efforts to communicate with the public at the grassroots level as well as in the mainstream press.

"The harder part is this active disinformation campaign," she said before her appearance at Cheltenham Science Festival this week. "I'm always wondering if these people honestly believe the nonsense they put forward. When they say 'It could be volcanoes' or 'the climate always changes'... to obfuscate and to confuse people, it frankly makes me angry."

Stofan added that while "fake news" is frequently characterised as a problem in the right-leaning media, she saw evidence of an "erosion of people's ability to scrutinise information" across the political spectrum. "All of us have a responsibility," she said. "There's this attitude of 'I read it on the internet therefore it must be true'."

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by looorg on Sunday June 11 2017, @08:20PM (3 children)

    by looorg (578) on Sunday June 11 2017, @08:20PM (#523918)

    ... responded by ratcheting up efforts to communicate with the public at the grassroots level as well as in the mainstream press.

    For someone that left NASA she doesn't seem like much of a rocket scientist, if she wants to educate the unbelievers she ain't going to find them at the grassroots level or reading the mainstream press or even watching the mainstream web. The people that frequent those places or engage in organization at that level those are people that already believe in more or less what she does, even if they might not understand it. The people that thinks global warming (or whatever) is a hoax and whatnot are beyond her grasp and reach. She doesn't even appear to be trying to get to them, what they engage in is some kind of pandering to the already convinced masses -- but that won't get you anything new.

    This is almost the same shock the big city liberals got when they realized people out in the country had opinions and stuff and voted to, and they didn't like the liberal Queen they wanted to elect -- they wanted the other dude and now he is the President.

    ... she saw evidence of an "erosion of people's ability to scrutinise information" across the political spectrum.

    At least there is acknowledgement that the problem isn't group specific. We are all kinda stupid, it's hard to plan or see things in a long term perspective. Nothing in society these days put a premium on that.

    'erosion of people's ability ...' that is one complicated sentence to say we can't spot fakes and lies -- no wonder she isn't getting across to average Joe if she talks like that. But I'm sure it has nothing to do with scientist crying wolf for decades about how the world is going under and reports get released that contradict each other left right and center. When they say the temperature on the planet is increasing a degree or two over a century most people don't think we are all going to die -- they think that sounds nice and cozy. Sure new knowledge is gained, theories tested, things change. But for Average Joe that isn't in the science business and hasn't opened any kind of science book since (s)he was in elementary school this really won't matter. The process is beyond them and the results are confusing as hell. Eventually people stop listening even if you are right. After all [insert new TV show] is on, there is a new flavor of [snackname] and there are bills to pay ... fuck the drowning polar-bear cubs.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:37PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:37PM (#523964)

      the results are confusing as hell.

      Its the government and its the left, so your taxes will go up and you'll suffer more. Thats really all they need to know as voters...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @07:38AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @07:38AM (#524185)

        Its this level of idiocy which will bring our downfall. And here I was taught that neanderthals went extinct after we arrived. Hello there!

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday June 12 2017, @07:20AM

      by kaszz (4211) on Monday June 12 2017, @07:20AM (#524175) Journal

      NASA has plenty of opportunities for non-science people, unfortunately..

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:15PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11 2017, @09:15PM (#523944)

    The Propaganda Wars of the early 21st century marked what many believe to have been the start of the political decay of the United States of American. It would take decades of ineffective governing & infighting, extreme partisanship, and the eventual citizen uprisings, to break through the petty and poisonous environment in Washington DC. During this time America lost its position as a world leader, which it would never recover.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @08:49AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @08:49AM (#524209)

      The Propaganda Wars of the early 21st century

      They started earlier... the entire "war on drugs" started in the 80s (if not earlier) and also saw its unfair share of propaganda.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by srobert on Sunday June 11 2017, @11:20PM

    by srobert (4803) on Sunday June 11 2017, @11:20PM (#524017)

    He who pays the piper calls the tune. Tune into Fox, CNN, MSNBC, CBS. They all may have a left leaning or right leaning bias on social issues, abortion, gay marriage, gun control. At the end of the day, all of these have a corporate bias because it is the advertisers who are paying for the broadcast. Despite the availability of the internet and a few non-commercial sources of info, most Americans are still getting their news from these sources on their televisions.

    Shall we have a televised discussion over single-payer universal healthcare? How about breaking up the too big to fail banks? Be sure to tune in to watch us ignore those questions by talking about Donald Trump and Russia for 10 hours straight, right after these words from our sponsors, Astrazeneca, Glaxo-Smith Klein, Pfizer, Chase Bank, Citibank, and United Health.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @03:22AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @03:22AM (#524103)

    "Discrediting" is a debating tactic. Make the opponent look bad instead of arguing the point. Anything Stofan or Trump disagree with is Fake News. They are actually two of a kind.

    Show us convincing data on sea-level acceleration and predictive skill of climate models, or shut up. Why is the global-greening benefit of CO2 never discussed? Can you imagine how much moaning there would be if we had global browning instead? If browning would be very bad, greening must be very good. Or does the earth have just the right amount of green?

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday June 12 2017, @07:23AM (1 child)

      by kaszz (4211) on Monday June 12 2017, @07:23AM (#524178) Journal

      Why is the global-greening benefit of CO2 never discussed?

      Because the negative consequences outweigh these possible benefits with a wide margin.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @08:52AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @08:52AM (#524213)

        Says who? Economics is not even a science. So now your claim that all this is based on "science" is gone.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @04:37AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @04:37AM (#524121)

    Look, if you have to hand out signs to the protesters and direct them, you're fake news. Transporting them around the city is very fake.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/17141/fakenews-cnn-caught-arranging-muslims-backdrop-robert-kraychik [dailywire.com]
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2017/06/05/cnn-denies-staging-london-anti-isis-protest-orchestration-obvious [newsbusters.org]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @05:46AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @05:46AM (#524138)

    Or climate news for republicans

    https://climateandsecurity.org/staff/ [climateandsecurity.org] and https://climateandsecurity.org/consensus/ [climateandsecurity.org]

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