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posted by Fnord666 on Monday July 17 2017, @12:03PM   Printer-friendly
from the trumped-again dept.

El Reg reports

The Internet Engineering Task Force has taken the rare (and possibly costly) decision to relocate an upcoming meeting out of America.

IETF 102, scheduled for mid-2018, was booked for the San Francisco Hilton, but instead will be held in the Fairmont Hotel in Montreal.

The reason, as announced by IETF Administrative Oversight Committee (IAOC) chair Leslie Daigle, is the President Donald Trump administration: American travel restrictions make attendance uncertain.

[...] travel restrictions have been bounced around between the US legal system and the White House, and the Oversight Committee hasn't seen anything to reduce that uncertainty.

[...] it is impossible to know or predict the extent of the restrictions placed on individuals attempting to attend IETF 102 twelve months from now, or the level of uncertainty that will exist, and the impact that will have on the ability for the IETF to hold a successful meeting in the United States at that time. However, the current orientation and actions of the US government provide no basis for expecting conditions at the US border to improve for non-citizens.

[...] if the IETF cannot stage something in San Francisco, it will likely lose any deposit paid to the venue.


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  • (Score: 2) by RedBear on Monday July 17 2017, @04:54PM (3 children)

    by RedBear (1734) on Monday July 17 2017, @04:54PM (#540391)

    This is just SJW virtue signaling.

    None of the countries affected by the travel ban are likely to contribute anything meaningful to IETF deliberations.

    This is just xenophobic bigot virtue signaling.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17 2017, @06:56PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17 2017, @06:56PM (#540479)

    This is just SJW virtue signaling.

    None of the countries affected by the travel ban are likely to contribute anything meaningful to IETF deliberations.

    This is just xenophobic bigot virtue signaling.

    It's also (almost certainly) not true. I went to an international conference of plasma scientists in NJ a couple of months back. Many (all?) of our Chinese colleagues were no shows; the rumour was that they had last minute visa issues. I can assure you that those of us that work for DoD are very much interested in hearing what our counterparts in China are up to these days. It is no mystery to me why IETF would want to avoid that kind of hassle. The USA is rapidly turning into the very kind of shit hole backwater that we regularly used to sneer at a mere few years ago. God help us.

    • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday July 18 2017, @03:53AM

      by isostatic (365) on Tuesday July 18 2017, @03:53AM (#540759) Journal

      Friend of mine was denied an esta because he travelled to Libya once (he's a broadcast engineer). He used to have a journalist 'I-visa' for the US, but he's since left the company. Can't go for meetings or holidays, at least with the costly hoop jumping to get a B-visa.

      Still, 190 other countries to go to.

  • (Score: 2) by AndyTheAbsurd on Monday July 17 2017, @07:56PM

    by AndyTheAbsurd (3958) on Monday July 17 2017, @07:56PM (#540520) Journal

    This is just xenophobic bigot virtue signaling.

    Which is just SJW virtue signaling with a different value for how "justice" is defined.

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