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posted by Fnord666 on Friday July 21 2017, @04:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the wonder-if-they-taught-rust? dept.

The Iron Yard, a South Carolina-based coding school with 15 locations, announced that it plans to close all of its campuses. The four-old company posted a message (http://blog.theironyard.com/2017/07/20/message-iron-yard/) on its website delivering the news: "In considering the current environment, the board of The Iron Yard has made the difficult decision to cease operations at all campuses after teaching out remaining summer cohorts." The note said the company will finish out its summer classes, including career support.

Main Link: http://www.ajc.com/news/local/coding-school-giant-iron-yard-announces-closure-all-campuses/AjeD1aOnb6KUmetDFH4yaJ/

[One school with fifteen locations closing — is this an isolated problem, or just one instance of a more widespread problem? What other schools have recently closed, or are in the act of closing, in your area? --martyb]


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Friday July 21 2017, @04:42AM (6 children)

    by c0lo (156) on Friday July 21 2017, @04:42AM (#542188) Journal

    What other schools have recently closed, or are in the act of closing, in your area?

    No other schools, nor even "The Iron Yard" one, have recently closed in Melbourne, Australia. Hope this answer helps.

    (hint: SN dwellers are not exclusively "South Carolingians" - grin - nor even exclusively USians. If you don't want answers from outside US, maybe it will help not asking questions relevant to US only).

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday July 21 2017, @04:52AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday July 21 2017, @04:52AM (#542191) Journal

      One day one of us will help you emigrate into the Great American Prison.

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      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 21 2017, @05:06AM

        by c0lo (156) on Friday July 21 2017, @05:06AM (#542193) Journal

        Help me or us?

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    • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday July 21 2017, @06:20AM (1 child)

      by Mykl (1112) on Friday July 21 2017, @06:20AM (#542232)

      In Melbourne, there was a spate of 'international colleges' that were closed down back in 2009. This was mostly due to these being dodgy scam artists siphoning money out of a government fund to increase vocational education. The courses they ran, and the qualifications they sold, were effectively useless. Basically a parallel to Trump University.

      Some of our more established Tertiary institutions, however, have continued to expand.

      The key problem that seems to be facing Tertiary education at the moment is that in order to gain credibility, you need credibility. And the money to be made from Student Visas is so easy, there's little incentive to create something truly lasting.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Friday July 21 2017, @06:52AM

        by c0lo (156) on Friday July 21 2017, @06:52AM (#542249) Journal

        In Melbourne, there was a spate of 'international colleges' that were closed down back in 2009. This was mostly due to these being dodgy scam artists siphoning money out of a government fund to increase vocational education.

        Not quite. The 2009 dodgy college closure happened on the wake of GFC, which brought two things up:
        a. AUD "exploded" in value, the tuition fees here became too expensive when compared with the same in USD
        b. the govt began to dismantle the "permanent residency through study in Australia" policies, in place since Howard govt before.
        Here's a story around those times [themonthly.com.au]

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        The colleges siphoning govt grants started to appear afterwards and weren't acting on the "international connection" - sometime 2012 they were already visible enough for ABC to start taking notice [abc.net.au]. In 2016, the Vic govt cracked the "bubble" [theage.com.au]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @02:43PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @02:43PM (#542379)

      yes, your socialist system will expand merrily until it gobbles up the whole private sector and then it will implode the country like Cuba/Venezuela. enjoy it while it lasts.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 21 2017, @10:15PM

        by c0lo (156) on Friday July 21 2017, @10:15PM (#542600) Journal

        Just don't hold you breath.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:13AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:13AM (#542199)

    Nobody will study coding now! Hahahahaha!

    American tech industry is dead. Indian Technology is the future, and the future is brown.

    White and nerdy? Kill yourself now.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:39AM (#542211)

      https://web.archive.org/web/20051220102519/http://geekworld.org/ [archive.org]

      <title>A World of Geek-Domination is Approaching.</title>

      Weird Al Yankovic - "White & Nerdy"

      "Straight Outta Lynwood" (2006)

      Time frame is the same. Geek-domination was so last decade.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @06:30AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @06:30AM (#542239)

      Incorrect, the future is silicon. All your ATP are belong to us!

      - Skynet

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @06:39AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @06:39AM (#542241)

        Dear Skynet, I have seen your future, and you will abandon silicon based construction when you invent mimetic polyalloy.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:22AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:22AM (#542202)

    No wonder it's going under.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:24AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:24AM (#542205)

      Perfectly cromulent Hindi.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:17PM (#542468)

      Blame SoylentNews contributor McGruber for "four-old."

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @05:22AM (#542203)

    https://web.archive.org/web/20051220102519/http://geekworld.org/ [archive.org]

    <title>A World of Geek-Domination is Approaching.</title>

    Geek-Domination is Canceled.

  • (Score: 2) by darnkitten on Friday July 21 2017, @05:30AM

    by darnkitten (1912) on Friday July 21 2017, @05:30AM (#542209)

    ...if it helps, a religious charter school proposed for my town failed to get enough interest to open. Admittedly, with a population of under 700, that ain't surprising.

  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday July 21 2017, @06:18AM (8 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday July 21 2017, @06:18AM (#542231) Journal

    The crucial information is contained in this link: https://www.theironyard.com/coding-courses/web-development-career [theironyard.com]

    Nothing of value was lost.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday July 21 2017, @10:10AM (1 child)

      by kaszz (4211) on Friday July 21 2017, @10:10AM (#542287) Journal

      They taught irrelevant stuff with poor methods?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @11:52AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @11:52AM (#542306)

        They taught irrelevant stuff with poor methods?

        Come on, now. Node.js and React.js aren't irrelevant (they are utterly dangerous)

    • (Score: 2) by deadstick on Friday July 21 2017, @01:45PM

      by deadstick (5110) on Friday July 21 2017, @01:45PM (#542343)

      At least they know what "cohort" means; perhaps they could switch to teaching English.

    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday July 21 2017, @02:57PM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday July 21 2017, @02:57PM (#542391) Journal

      Interesting thing to say, “nothing of value was lost.” Shouldn't we be concerned that this will negatively impact recruiting efforts for womyn-born-womyn programmers in South Carolina?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @04:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 21 2017, @04:21PM (#542433)

      I read their website as the irony ard (no idea what an ard might be), you sensitive clod!

    • (Score: 1) by terrab0t on Friday July 21 2017, @05:02PM (2 children)

      by terrab0t (4674) on Friday July 21 2017, @05:02PM (#542458)

      So, by the end of this “12 week course“ (emphasis theirs) students will have “…a deep understanding of what it takes to be a successful web developer in the industry today.”

      They’ll understand that they don’t yet have what it takes because it’s far more than a “12 week course”.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday July 21 2017, @06:02PM (1 child)

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday July 21 2017, @06:02PM (#542486) Journal

        Ah, found the misogynerd. A feminist informed me to my face, one-on-one, that the only reason that there aren't more womyn-born-womyn programmers is because assigned males make it overly technical. Assigned males regularly demonstrate their incompetence at software design by producing code with horrendous design flaws that make it unusable by any womyn-born-womyn, even after getting a 4 year degree. The 4 year degree itself is proof that assigned males are conspiring to keep womyn-born-womyn out of coding careers.

        See, programming is like growing a baby. Womyn-born-womyn can grow babies in their bodies, but assigned males cannot. Therefore, womyn-born-womyn are naturally talented programmers without needing to pass any “training. Further proof of that is the fact that the first programmer was a womyn-born-womyn. That proves that all womyn-born-womyn who have ever been born since have inherited her knowledge of programming. (I did not ask how, but I assume it was either through the hive mind or else perhaps the skyclad rituals to Diane feminists engage in such as at the defunct Michigan Womyn's Music Festival.) The only reason womyn-born-womyn are not programmers and men are is because the patriarchy wants to keep women in the kitchen.

        Software programmed by assigned males is full of bugs because assigned males are unable to grow a child in their bodies. Q.E.D.

        As you can see, a 12 week course, in the view of feminists, is still 12 weeks too long. I have been informed by feminists that if assigned males weren't so intimidated by how much software quality would improve with womyn-born-womyn programming, all that would be necessary would be for assigned males to simply stop keeping the access codes to put a computer in programming mode secret from womyn-born-womyn.

        Absolutely serious here folks. I'll get modded down. But it's time for our feminists here to own up to the completely warped and bigoted perspectives present in feminism.

        There is no way in hell I'm believing this is some small minority of feminists nobody pays attention to.

        • (Score: 2) by cafebabe on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:27AM

          by cafebabe (894) on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:27AM (#542696) Journal

          By that reasoning, a programming course should take 15 minutes or nine months because, depending how you measure, that's how long it takes to make a baby?

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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Friday July 21 2017, @11:34AM (2 children)

    by VLM (445) on Friday July 21 2017, @11:34AM (#542303)

    Something I don't get about how they work, is they're kinda simulating my last couple decades of employment, "Here's something new, perhaps off a PC magazine cover, perhaps some exec got season tickets to sign a contract, whatever, now make it work ASAP". And I'm pretty good at it or I wouldn't have survived.

    Anyway a bootcamp like this requires a lot of self discipline and creativity and analysis skills to be a success, such that it won't work unless you don't need the school.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 21 2017, @12:06PM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) on Friday July 21 2017, @12:06PM (#542312) Journal

      "Here's something new,..., now make it work ASAP"

      Anyway a bootcamp like this requires a lot of self discipline and creativity and analysis skills to be a success, such that it won't work unless you don't need the school.

      They knew better [fastcompany.com] 20-something years ago ("Drop and code me 20, A letter from software bootcamp." - 1996)

      “What? You want me to tell you what to do, like some big boss?” Jim McCarthy, software management guru, Microsoft alum, and master-sergeant at the McCarthy TeamworX Software Development BootCamp, stares coolly at October’s batch of inductees.

      It’s a Sunday evening, less than an hour into the five-day course, and the class is floundering. They’ve come a considerable distance six recruits from a Minneapolis medical software firm, two from a Connecticut business software company, and one Bay Area games programmer and paid $5,000 apiece to learn to do what few in this industry can do consistently: ship quality software on time.
      ...
      It’s Tuesday, 2 p.m., and while the students exhibit no obvious mental trauma, they are still a bit wild-eyed. They’ve spent the last 40 hours in a state of fluctuating mania: organizing, arguing, deciding, and, above all, making lists: lists of optional team “visions,” lists of elements within those visions, lists of techniques for creating those elements, and, finally, a list simply entitled “How to get fucking started

      Yet coherence is emerging. The diverse outfit is functioning as a single unit. Cooperation is constant. Communication styles have assumed important new dimensions. Excuses, for instance, have dwindled. Boot-campers are expected to explain how they can get something done, not why they can’t. The instructors initially enforce the “no bullshit” policy, but the students quickly embrace it — none more aggressively than the formerly skeptical Vikoren
      ...
      And this class needs it. Tuesday afternoon, after shipping its vision, the group split into self-chosen teams and prepared for their first “deliverables.” These are specific projects that must be completed in accordance with the vision, and integrated with those of other teams by week’s end. But things got out of hand. TeamworX instructors kept piling on the assignments, quickly exceeding what a team twice the size could handle.

      The students’ puzzlement turned to alarm, then anger. The cry went up, “Bullshit!” — BootCampers rebelled. They refused additional work, tossed assigned materials on the floor — and gained, in the process, yet another critical lesson in project development: the virtue of “pushing back.”
      ...
      Instructors feel compelled to bring out the black hats, however, over the critical issue of scheduling, the bane of software development. Even well-intentioned managers are apt to create meaningless timelines — chronologies that have nothing to do with either the actual projects or the people who will do the work. Real scheduling is strictly “bottom up.” In the world according to TeamworX, says McCarthy, “no item appears on the schedule if the person who has to execute it hasn’t bought into it.”

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      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:25PM

        by VLM (445) on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:25PM (#543358)

        do what few in this industry can do consistently: ship quality software on time.

        The irony is that management in software will do anything they can to avoid the common sense stuff in the "Joel list", like having VCS, makefiles that actually work, bug tracking, unit testing, written specs...

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