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posted by martyb on Wednesday July 26 2017, @10:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the probably-a-good-idea dept.

Statistician Valen Johnson and 71 other researchers have proposed a redefinition of statistical significance in order to cut down on irreproducible results, especially those in the biomedical sciences. They propose "to change the default P-value threshold for statistical significance for claims of new discoveries from 0.05 to 0.005" in a preprint article that will be published in an upcoming issue of Nature Human Behavior:

A megateam of reproducibility-minded scientists is renewing a controversial proposal to raise the standard for statistical significance in research studies. They want researchers to dump the long-standing use of a probability value (p-value) of less than 0.05 as the gold standard for significant results, and replace it with the much stiffer p-value threshold of 0.005.

Backers of the change, which has been floated before, say it could dramatically reduce the reporting of false-positive results—studies that claim to find an effect when there is none—and so make more studies reproducible. And they note that researchers in some fields, including genome analysis, have already made a similar switch with beneficial results.

"If we're going to be in a world where the research community expects some strict cutoff ... it's better that that threshold be .005 than .05. That's an improvement over the status quo," says behavioral economist Daniel Benjamin of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, first author on the new paper, which was posted 22 July as a preprint article [open, DOI: 10.17605/OSF.IO/MKY9J] [DX] on PsyArXiv and is slated for an upcoming issue of Nature Human Behavior. "It seemed like this was something that was doable and easy, and had worked in other fields."

But other scientists reject the idea of any absolute threshold for significance. And some biomedical researchers worry the approach could needlessly drive up the costs of drug trials. "I can't be very enthusiastic about it," says biostatistician Stephen Senn of the Luxembourg Institute of Health in Strassen. "I don't think they've really worked out the practical implications of what they're talking about."

They have proposed a P-value of 0.005 because it corresponds to Bayes factors between approximately 14 and 26 in favor of H1 (the alternative hypothesis), indicating "substantial" to "strong" evidence, and because it would reduce the false positive rate to levels they have judged to be reasonable "in many fields".

Is this good enough? Is it a good start?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:43AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @08:43AM (#545076)

    You're not wrong.

    One disturbing thing I am noticing is tons of shitty shitty studies that weakly confirm older studies but don't cite them. Instead they cite 40 articles from 2015 and later written by their fellow countrymen. It feels like a "yellow" washing of science. The number of publications and citations swamp the literature and pad resumes. Publication count was always slightly dodgy but citation count used to be slightly reliable. Now citation counts are becoming garbage - because this new generation of "patriotic" scientists cite their own countrymen at 10x the rate of others.

    There's barely anything worth reading and yet more and more of it being published.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 27 2017, @03:55PM (#545231)

    Meh, I've seen the same BS from all cultures. Some are just more sophisticated about producing the junk than others due to steps they memorized in school.