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posted by FatPhil on Friday August 04 2017, @08:08AM   Printer-friendly
from the johnny-cab dept.

Authorities have reported "no major incidents" after the first three days of a driverless bus service in the Estonian capital Tallinn.

A pair of vehicles are operating on a route through the city as part of the Baltic state's presidency of the European Union, and have so far managed not to collide with any other road users, national broadcaster ERR reports [gallery itself requires JS from s.err.ee and news.err.ee -- Ed.].

But there have been a number of near misses since the launch on Saturday, ERR says. An eyewitness reports that one of the buses failed to give way to a police car with its lights flashing on Monday; while an ERR photographer saw a bus ignore a red light at a pedestrian crossing, ploughing on regardless of the "surprise" it had provoked.

Despite no-one driving, local traffic law means that there still has to be a responsible person on board, meaning that all passengers are greeted by a host. They've been tasked with explaining the technology to passengers new to the world of autonomous vehicles, ERR says.

Judging from the picture, the buses soothingly seem to be constructed out of Nerf.

Your humble editor lives and works only hundreds of meters from each end of the trial route, so decided to take a quick, and fortunately uneventful, trip on one this (thursday) lunchtime. I now realise there are some things I forgot to snap, such as what the member of staff (a) does, and (b) can do. The answers to which are simple: (a) very little apart from gesticulate to pedestrians who are too frightened to cross in front of the vehicle; and (b) very little at all, as there are no controls. There's a keyboard from which a reset can probably be invoked, but that's it. [Not so - I saw more on my second trip, see below -- Ed.]

I'm happy to treat this as an AMAA (Ask Me Almost Anything), in particular if that means I can waste time on the bus again tomorrow!


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:15AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @09:15AM (#548658)

    ummm... are you serious?
    let's ignore the legal problems: what we are left with is a reasonably heavy moving object that's already passed a red light.
    If you hack into it (and I assume it is not that hard), how do you know you won't break it, leading to serious accidents?
    I mean literally you go in, you type "ls", someone generated a thousand different files in the same folder because reasons, you make the partition hang, and the self-driving code hangs as well because bug.
    I don't like the conclusion of that chain of events, but it doesn't seem that unlikely.

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday August 04 2017, @11:07AM (2 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday August 04 2017, @11:07AM (#548679) Journal

    If you outlaw hacking, only outlaws will hack driverless vehicles and kill innocent pedestrians.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @11:36AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 04 2017, @11:36AM (#548688)

      I've no idea whether there are any laws in Estonia about hacking. I personally view unauthorized access to anything connected to a network as equivalent to entering someone's home/office without permission, which is wrong even when the door is unlocked.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Friday August 04 2017, @11:49AM

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday August 04 2017, @11:49AM (#548690) Journal

        Yes, there are laws. That place was a training ground for Putin's criminal hackers:

        2007 cyberattacks on Estonia [wikipedia.org]

        10 Years After the Landmark Attack on Estonia, Is the World Better Prepared for Cyber Threats? [foreignpolicy.com]

        And, partly as a result of the big 2007 attacks, Estonia today has a world-class cybersecurity sector. The country is currently hosting Locked Shields 2017, the world’s largest and most advanced cyber defense exercise.

        And some more context (this was in 2007):

        Hackers Take Down the Most Wired Country in Europe [wired.com]

        Väärsi has the look of a '70s rock promoter — he wears his hair long and his shirts open, and he sports rose-tinted, square sunglasses. He's proof that the geeks have triumphed in this country of 1.3 million. Some 40 percent read a newspaper online daily, more than 90 percent of bank transactions are done over the Internet, and the government has embraced online voting. The country is saturated in free Wi-Fi, cell phones can be used to pay for parking or buy lunch, and Skype is taking over the international phone business from its headquarters on the outskirts of Tallinn. In other words, Estonia — or eStonia, as some citizens prefer — is like a window into the future. Someday, the rest of the world will be as wired as this tiny Baltic nation.

        Don't embrace online voting! ... Don't embrace hackable vehicles?

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday August 04 2017, @11:20AM

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Friday August 04 2017, @11:20AM (#548682) Homepage
    I expect these vehicles are merely prototypes. Everything is recorded and logged and sent back to the devs in France to analyse. Apparently yesterday the poor things were being confused by a pile of wet leaves, so that needs improving.

    The real final commercial busses I would expect to be physically locked down more. (For example, as the driver only needs the manual override switch, the joystick, and the wireless (mini) keyboard, there's no reason for any of the other ports to be exposed, they can be behind a locked cover.)

    The driver also told us that there's a similar system at Helsinki-Vantaa airport. No idea what job it's doing there, I don't fly from Helsinki often.
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  • (Score: 2) by requerdanos on Friday August 04 2017, @02:59PM

    by requerdanos (5997) on Friday August 04 2017, @02:59PM (#548742) Journal

    ummm... are you serious?

    It's very, very serious to know whether such a system can be hacked. The simple reason is that it is

    a reasonably heavy moving object that's already passed a red light.

    And if it can be hacked, there is a danger of someone hacking it, which could

    break it, leading to serious accidents

    You ask "ummm... are you serious" as if you didn't know these things...