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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday August 16 2017, @09:16AM   Printer-friendly

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The 75th World Science Fiction Convention (commonly known as WorldCon) is being held this weekend in Helsinki, Finland. The convention is where the annual Hugo Awards are presented, and today, the convention announced the latest recipients.

This year, women almost completely swept the Hugo Awards, taking home the top prizes for literature in the science fiction community. That's particularly notable, given how the awards have been increasingly recognizing works from female and minority creators. The trend prompted a counter-movement from two group of fans, the self-described "Sad Puppies," and their alt-right equivalents, the "Rabid Puppies." These groups gamed the awards and forced a slate of nominees onto the Hugo ballot in 2015, prompting widespread backlash within the wider genre community. Another award, the Dragon, faced similar issues earlier this week when several authors asked to pull their nominations over concerns about Puppy interference and the award's integrity.

This year's sweep by female creators seems to be a strong repudiation of anti-diversity groups. 2017 also marked the year the ceremony earned its own award: a representative from the Guinness Book of World Records certified that the Hugos are the longest-running science fiction awards ever.

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 16 2017, @12:59PM (12 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday August 16 2017, @12:59PM (#554688) Homepage Journal

    I think someone needs to read the moderator guidelines. Not liking what someone says != you should downmod it. You should be ashamed of yourself for bringing down the quality of moderation on the site.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by https on Wednesday August 16 2017, @03:35PM (7 children)

    by https (5248) on Wednesday August 16 2017, @03:35PM (#554751) Journal

    You could stop using "virtue signalling", "SJW" etc. in your posts. It's meaningless babble at best, and the intent to insult is not even thinly veiled. Then we could see if you have anything to say worth upmodding!

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @04:04PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @04:04PM (#554762)

      Waste of breath, this whole thread is reactionary garbage and people like TMB are beyond reason when it comes to the dreaded sjws. The persecution complex from the conservative base is getting ridiculous. At least we can laugh at them, but it is still somewhat depressing.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @04:44PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @04:44PM (#554778)

        How dare people use pejorative names that I don't like! That just proves how bad everybody is who doesn't agree with me.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @05:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @05:23PM (#554790)

          Nope, your sarcasm misses the mark. TMB is the one who shouldn't be whining about getting downmodded for using reactionary phrases. All political "sides" get frequently downmodded for using nasty wording.

          I see your problem though, you can't tell the difference between helpful advice and personal attacks.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 16 2017, @07:02PM (3 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday August 16 2017, @07:02PM (#554868) Homepage Journal

      The insult isn't veiled at all. I absolutely meant it to be blatant. When you're a shitty excuse for a human being, expect to be insulted.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @08:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @08:43PM (#554925)

        You are a piece of human trash your mom wishes she had aborted. Your brain is comparable to a walnut, and your nuts long ago abandoned ship. You stink, literally. Please take a shower. Your writing is tired, your arguments lame, your logic nonexistent. Your face looks more like a shit I took last week and your best friend is a dirty rag you drew a smiley face on.

        I'm not sure if that was quiiiite enough insults to accurately depict your value as a human being, but at least you get the picture.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @09:48PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16 2017, @09:48PM (#554977)

        is this not a signaling of virtue as well?

        social justice too -- he wants the old guard back.

  • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Thursday August 17 2017, @10:14AM (3 children)

    by FakeBeldin (3360) on Thursday August 17 2017, @10:14AM (#555208) Journal

    I think someone needs to read the moderator guidelines. Not liking what someone says != you should downmod it.

    2. There is no "reason for moderation" box. Unless you were talking about how you yourself moderated posts, you cannot know why someone downmodded. Oh, sure, you can say "I don't like the downmod, so it must be because the moderator didn't like the post!" But that that's an assumption, which makes an ass out of u and mption.

    1. Next time you complain about people needing to read something, put a link there will you?
    Moderator guidelines [soylentnews.org]

    0. I have no clue which moderation to which post you're complaining about. From the moderation FAQ:

    Bad Comments are flamebait, incorrect, or have nothing to do with the article. Other examples: Ad Hominem, ridicule for others with different opinion (without backing it up with anything more tangible than strong words), ...

    Under these guidelines, plenty of posts deserve downmodding, including some of yours.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 17 2017, @12:19PM (2 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday August 17 2017, @12:19PM (#555249) Homepage Journal

      Unless you were talking about how you yourself moderated posts, you cannot know why someone downmodded.

      I can see how you'd make that mistake, not being able to see every single moderation on the admin pages. Given enough data though, you absolutely can tell with a very high level of certainty why someone moderated a given post a certain way.

      We have about half a dozen people who, if I were a tyrannical type, I would permanently mod-ban. Their moderation history is majority negative and the posts they choose to downmod all have common political positions. Strangely, they are all from the progressive camp. There literally is not a single person in the middle or on the right who abuses the system in this particular way on a regular basis, though we all have our moments.

      I've done a Troll hall of fame a few times and it was met with humor and pride. Somehow I don't get the feeling that I'd get the same response if I did a Shitty Moderator hall of fame and listed the people with the highest percentage of negative moderations under their belts. Actually, I think I'll float this past the rest of the staff. We could do with some well earned humiliation as a deterrent around here.

      And, yeah, plenty of my posts deserve downmodding. I don't bitch when I'm trolling and get modded Troll. I take pride in that moderation. I bitch when I say something in all sincerity that someone vehemently disagrees with and get modded Troll.

      The above is not meant to stir shit up. It's simply a venting. I'm mostly happy with how our moderation system works; everyone having the ability to correct a bad downmod if they see one. Usually they do. It doesn't work for every comment but it works for enough of them.

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      • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Thursday August 17 2017, @02:02PM (1 child)

        by FakeBeldin (3360) on Thursday August 17 2017, @02:02PM (#555308) Journal

        I can see how you'd make that mistake, not being able to see every single moderation on the admin pages. Given enough data though, you absolutely can tell with a very high level of certainty why someone moderated a given post a certain way.

        I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing that out!

        (I'd moderate your post "+1 informative", except I ran out of points for today).

        ...if I did a Shitty Moderator hall of fame and listed the people with the highest percentage of negative moderations under their belts. Actually, I think I'll float this past the rest of the staff. We could do with some well earned humiliation as a deterrent around here.

        That sounds like a good plan - you've got my vote.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday August 17 2017, @02:55PM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday August 17 2017, @02:55PM (#555346) Homepage Journal

          I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing that out!

          Well it's kind of a given that anyone with DB access could have that information any time they wanted. What I was specifically referring to was our "potential mod-bombs page" though. It lists everyone who's been down-modded more than three times in the past 72 hours by default and then lists who down-modded them, when, which comment, and other related shat. I check it for actual full-on mod-bombs several times a day usually (Though I almost never find any. Good work, folks.). There are like half a dozen people who show up way, way too much on the moderator column and if you click on through to the comment it's almost always something they politically disagree with.

          It's just kind of discouraging at times.

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