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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday August 23 2017, @12:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the and-you-thought-you-owned-it dept.

DJI Spark drones will not fly after September 1 until users have applied a mandatory software update:

DJI Spark drones will not fly after 1 September unless owners apply a mandatory software update, the device's maker has warned. DJI said the update to the small drone's core software fixes some flight control issues suffered by the gadget.

The drone maker said it had warned owners about the deadline so they could avoid having their craft grounded. But the mandatory update has caused some owners to question the control DJI retains over their devices.

In a statement, DJI said the update would improve how the Spark manages power. It also helps it work with smart spectacles that give owners an immersive view of what the drone films. It added: "If the firmware of either the aircraft or the battery is not updated by September 1, Spark will not be able to take off."

Also at The Verge and Quartz.


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  • (Score: 3, Offtopic) by Knowledge Troll on Wednesday August 23 2017, @01:34PM (6 children)

    by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Wednesday August 23 2017, @01:34PM (#557988) Homepage Journal

    I'm just wondering if you see the situation with the speaker and the aircraft as being equivalent because one change is for spying on you and one is to stop something from falling out of the sky.

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  • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Wednesday August 23 2017, @02:53PM (4 children)

    by FakeBeldin (3360) on Wednesday August 23 2017, @02:53PM (#558025) Journal

    The equivalence I see is that both companies have promised in the news that folks who have bought their devices will not be able to use them unless they accept the updates the company is planning to roll out.
    I.e.: both companies seem to think it's okay for them to decide that the hardware you bought no longer should function.
    That is a problem. Irrespective of the reasons for them to decide so.

    Now, one company *claims* that this is for safety concerns. However, this is the same company that earlier pushed a mandatory update that decides where you get to fly [gizmodo.com]:

    In May, DJI also announced users would be locked out of flight capabilities if they failed to register their devices in its database—ensuring software updates would allow users to comply with regional regulations.

    It's easy to come up with an example where someone who bought a drone finds that after the update, he can't use it for his normal use any more. I don't think it's okay for any company to unilaterally require updates that fundamentally change parameters of how you get to use the hardware you bought, or brick your hardware alternatively. At the very least, DJI and Sonos both should be offering to buy back the hardware - at full retail price.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by vux984 on Wednesday August 23 2017, @06:45PM (3 children)

      by vux984 (5045) on Wednesday August 23 2017, @06:45PM (#558120)

      However, this is the same company that earlier pushed a mandatory update that decides where you get to fly

      To be fair, that was ALSO a regulatory compliance issue that was primarily tied back to safety. Do-not-fly zones for drones are primarily determined by safety concerns.

      It's easy to come up with an example where someone who bought a drone finds that after the update, he can't use it for his normal use any more

      It's harder to come up with an example where that 'normal use' was actually LEGAL though; given the geo-fencing was regulatory.

      Not that I agree with DJI here. I think its complete bullshit. But it is also the reality of the IoT. EVERY single product that is IoT enabled, that runs via an app or via a vendor controlled server is susceptible to this. That is the nature of the beast. You always require the vendors approval and support to use your device. As long as customers WANT app enabled devices, this is what they will get. Its sad, but it does seem to be what the majority of people want.

      Our only real hope for a better future is to embrace it, and regulate it with a new "first sale doctrine" regulation that puts specific consumer friendly obligations on manufacturers that provide internet enabled devices. I can see Europe doing it... I have little hope for the USA.

      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday August 24 2017, @01:42AM

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday August 24 2017, @01:42AM (#558272)

        Our only real hope for a better future is to embrace it, and regulate it with a new "first sale doctrine" regulation that puts specific consumer friendly obligations on manufacturers that provide internet enabled devices. I can see Europe doing it... I have little hope for the USA.

        We do have a workaround here in the USA: liberal return policies. It's a limited workaround though: you can usually only return stuff to the store for a pretty limited time, like 30 days, and up to 90 if they're really generous, though depending on where you go you might be able to return it afterwards if you kept all the packing materials, and go without a receipt and just get store credit. Anyway, when you buy something and find out it's like that, return it! If everyone did this, the mfgr would go out of business with all the costs the retailers put on them for returned merchandise.

        Of course, what's going to happen is stupid Americans are going to buy this crap, throw away the boxes, use it for a little while, then a few months later things are going to go bad and then they'll be fucked, and go out and buy something else just like it with the same problems.

        "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." - H. L. Mencken

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Mykl on Thursday August 24 2017, @01:44AM (1 child)

        by Mykl (1112) on Thursday August 24 2017, @01:44AM (#558273)

        I have to agree with parent here. The motivations behind DJI and Sonos respectively are completely different. One is ensuring safety and compliance with regulatory requirements (due to the fact that there are so many jerks who deliberately fly their drones in dangerous places like airports), while the other is just a bag of dicks wanting to own you.

        A poor analogy, but you could say that this is like a mandatory car recall (these exist in other countries, not sure about USA), without the need to actually recall the device.

        • (Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Thursday August 24 2017, @01:17PM

          by FakeBeldin (3360) on Thursday August 24 2017, @01:17PM (#558429) Journal

          If I trusted the companies to be completely forthwith about their motivations, then you'd be correct.
          Without diving into the update itself, I have to trust their word that this is the equivalent of a recall. Which would be much easier to swallow if this wasn't an update from a company who had previously forced updates enabling geofencing onto products no longer in their ownership.
          So now, I'm not so sure. All I know is that they require you to update the product you already "own" or else it'll be an expensive light-weight paperweight.

          (I'm not saying geofencing is bad. I am saying that taking my money and then crippling core functionality of the stuff I bought is very shady - even if it is for legal reasons or state-mandated. At the very least, offer me a choice between full refund or the update.)

  • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Wednesday August 23 2017, @04:15PM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday August 23 2017, @04:15PM (#558059) Journal

    Unfettered power to do good is unfettered power to do evil.