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Jolla, of "where's my tablet" fame, has announced a plan the sell their SailfishOS for Sony Xperia X phones as an aftermartket upgrade. From the announcement:
Here are the hard facts you need to know:
Sales start date: September 27, 2017. Product – what you will get:
- Sailfish OS image to flash to your Xperia device – our target is to have the downloadable image ready by October 11
- Android support, predictive text input, and MS exchange support as downloads from Jolla Store to your device
- SW updates for one year, after which a continuation program will follow
- Clear instructions and support for downloads & installation
- Jolla Customer Care service
Availability: EU, Norway, Switzerland; US & CA to be confirmed. Price: 49,90€ (including VAT)
Seems like quite the bizarre move for a company that has lost so much consumer faith.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:59PM (4 children)
Unsupported (in initial release):
No dealbreakers for me, although bluetooth may be a little annoying, as I would hope to connect a bluetooth keyboard. (Just like the N800.)
Which leaves me torn...
On one hand, I am just not interested in a pocket computer with neither a slide-out hardware keyboard nor a digitizer pen (I really want one with both, but still waiting for that...), hence my previous Photon Q and present Note 3 as main phones. The Xperia X looks like a fine phone, for people who just want a phone, but really not interesting for me, and big enough I'm not likely to carry both it and a Note 3. I wish this were for a tablet, rather than a phone -- I could always use a different tablet, but what am I gonna do with a second phone that I don't carry around?
On the other hand, I'm an old N800/N810/N900/N9 fan, and have been very interested in Jolla's continuation of that OS line. In fact I threw some money (which I could afford to lose, thank goodness) at the whole where's-my-tablet debacle. So, for the cost of a $300 (more or less) phone? I can really see trying it. And if I do, I will pay $60 for the Sailfish image, instead of pirating it, because despite these guys having already taken my money and failed to deliver once, I really want them to succeed (if not for sentimental attachment to the olden days of maemo, just for the sake of diversity in the mobile OS market), so I'd rather be a legit customer able to report bugs and such.
They say this is just about payment processing; there will apparently be no difference in the delivered OS image. So if it doesn't work out, I can certainly get an overseas friend to hook me up...
(Score: 2, Troll) by frojack on Thursday August 31 2017, @08:05PM (2 children)
Don't spend any money on these guys. They are nothing but thieves. Every one of them belongs in jail.
They know that the FTC will step in an grab their money if they try to sell in the US. Which is why they are probably looking for someone with clean hands to spirit their funds out of the country.
If you fall into that astonishingly small category of people that got burned and you still wish them well, why not just demand a free copy in partial settlement for what you lost in the crowd source scam.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 01 2017, @12:21AM (1 child)
I donated money to an indiegogo campaign -- they're careful to make it very clear that that's a donation you hope to get a reward for, not a contract or purchase. That's exactly why I only throw money I can afford to lose into this kind of thing. While I'm obviously not happy with the outcome, I don't see that I have any legal or moral basis to demand a settlement. And while I'd definitely balk at giving them $300 for a new device (I find the comments on Jolla's blog post demanding that they should sell phones preloaded with Sailfish utterly hilarious!), $60 is not a big deal.
As for it being a "scam", or them belonging in jail, my perspective is that they tried to spend some of the crowdfund money getting their OS ready to sell/license to phone manufacturers, while honestly trying to keep enough back to get the tablets through -- and as I see it, they're not wrong to do that, as long as they really do keep enough back to do the tablets. But things went wrong with tablet project, and they hadn't reserved enough margin to deal with the problems. It's definitely a bad outcome, but, how can I tell whether their error was in estimating the risk of various cost overruns to get the tablets produced (i.e. stupid), or whether it was in deliberating picking a low margin, despite the known high risk (i.e. malice)? That's the fundamental difference whether it's a scam or not, and as an outsider, I just can't tell. Hanlon's Razor comes to mind... but malice or stupidity, I'm not gonna do high-dollar business with them again.
Now on the other hand, I think they accepted normal webstore orders after the indiegogo campaign closed; those people were actually buying something, and not only do I understand why they're pretty pissed about it, I think they're entitled to a full refund. But since I'm not one of those people, I can get over the whole thing. (Now that I type that, it reads uncomfortably much like "fuck you, I've got mine"; maybe I'm wrong to let them off the hook as much as I do, but that is how I feel.)
But do consider the big picture -- scummy as they are, they're not so different from Apple and Google, and right now Apple and Google* have the whole game to themselves. To me, the benefit of having another competitor in the game is worth pushing for, even if the third player is a little scummier than both of them.
*It's worth noting that Jolla is a much more direct competitor to Android than Apple is -- Apple doesn't license iOS to phone manufacturers, so Google has essentially no competition in this area, and most companies can accept Google's terms or leave the smartphone business (AOSP is deliberately made an impractical choice, and only a huge company, like Samsung or pre-Elop Nokia, can develop their own OS in house). The rise of any serious alternative, whether it's Jolla or something else, will drastically reduce Google's leverage.
(Score: 1) by evk on Friday September 01 2017, @11:07AM
I very much agree with this. I put money into something that I hoped would work out. It didn't, I got half the money back and may never see the rest. Too bad.
(Score: 2) by zeigerpuppy on Friday September 01 2017, @01:27AM
I think for those that didn't receive the tablet they'll be offering the sailfish image discounted as part payment (optional I think you can wait for full refund if you like). So in your case you may be able to use your existing 'credit'. I'm interested to hear how you go, good to see some SailfishOS users around here. I'm developing a SailfishOS compatible cloud stack at the moment, pm me if you're interested)