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posted by martyb on Tuesday September 12 2017, @11:05AM   Printer-friendly
from the Valkyries,-Amazons,...Xena? dept.

DNA proves fearsome Viking warrior was a woman:

A 10th century Viking unearthed in the 1880s was like a figure from Richard Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries: an elite warrior buried with a sword, an ax, a spear, arrows, a knife, two shields, and a pair of warhorses. [...] a new study published today in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology finds that the warrior was a woman—the first high-status female Viking warrior to be identified. Excavators first uncovered the battle-ready body among several thousand Viking graves near the Swedish town of Birka, but for 130 years, most assumed it was a man—known only by the grave identifier, Bj 581. [...] Now, the warrior's DNA proves her sex, suggesting a surprising degree of gender balance in the Vikings' violent social order.

Her name was Lagertha.

Reference: Charlotte Hedenstierna-Jonson, et. al., A female Viking warrior confirmed by genomics, American Journal of Physical Anthropology, DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.23308


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:24PM (11 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:24PM (#566808) Journal

    Okay you know what Kurenai? Go fuck yourself. I'm tired of listening to you compare the worst of the worst, the scummy genocidal TERFs, to ordinary women. Shit like this is in part WHY there are TERFs; your unhinged, aggrieved ranting does nothing but add fuel to the dumpster fire of the "transwomen are whiny, mentally-unstable drama queens" stereotype.

    And the answer to #notallmen isn't, you'll notice, #yesallmen, but #yesallwomen. I'd personally have worded that as "notallmenbutwaytoodamnmany, but I guess that wouldn't fly the the identity politics focus of an unfortunately large chunk of the Third Wave :/

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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:33PM (6 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:33PM (#566820) Homepage Journal

    You just completely agreed with him while telling him to go fuck himself. This amuses me.

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    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:35PM (5 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:35PM (#566822) Journal

      Er, no, Uzzard. Try reading for comprehension. *She* is, once again, equating the entirety of cisgender women--she's not even sticking to just feminists now!--with the TERFy lunatics at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. My response to her is, once again, "cut that shit out; this is why no one takes you seriously."

      She's right that the TERFs and fellow-travelers are nuts. She's wrong that 51% of the human race wants her dead or worse.

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      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:40PM (4 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday September 12 2017, @04:40PM (#566827) Homepage Journal

        Read his post again without your panties bunched up your ass. He was talking about feminists not all women.

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:07PM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:07PM (#566849) Journal

          Read his previous posts without your jockstrap tied tightly 'round your eyes and looped under your beak like some freaky avian BDSM slave; she has quite often dumped on *all* cis women ("cisgender hunnies") in the past and has been known to conflate them with feminists, and all feminists with the TERF brigade, sometimes in the very same post. Ironically, this very same sin of overgeneralization is what she accuses others of.

          And yes, that is a she. I don't get the whole trans thing either, but there is enough evidence in the form of in vivo and cadaver brain imagery and dissections to show that trans people have different brain structures than we do and they're not faking it or insane. It seems to be a particular manifestation of some sort of body-image integrity disorder.

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          • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:35PM

            by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:35PM (#566868) Journal

            Clarification on the Hunnies thing. I see I failed with that one, and it did not adequate capture all that I had hoped it would.

            What I had in mind was disgust levied equally at men and women. At men, because how disrespectful do you have to be to half the planet's population to believe they perpetually need some guy's protection (and only a guy's protection, and not only that, but the speaker's protection against other guys, because the speaker is often the One Good Man). At women, because how the crap can somebody be happy being somebody else's Hunny?!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:36PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:36PM (#566899)

          I think TMB insists on calling Kurenai "he" because it is actually TMBs infiltrator account where he can post his screed from a "SJW" puppet. Horribly unstable people.

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 12 2017, @07:33PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @07:33PM (#566931) Journal

            Oh no, Uzzard's a known trans-hater. I won't say -phobe because he's not scared; he's an asshole. It's been pointed out to him several times that gender-noncomforming people have existed in every society going as far back as we have records, that modern brain imaging techniques show there's something different at the physical level about them, but he's immune to evidence. You see, he has an ick, and he has ideas of How The World Should Work (TM) and if the world doesn't work that way, well then by Crom the world is *wrong.* So sayeth Uzzard.

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  • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:24PM (2 children)

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:24PM (#566861) Journal

    First, I am talking about feminists, not all women. One is not born a feminist. Our Viking here did not know the word feminist. Feminism does not even speak for all women, TERFs and trans women aside.

    Was about to post a correction to my post, since I thought I wasn't remembering the Skittles correctly, but I might as well work it into a response here. Turns out I was correct about being incorrect. Syrian refugees [nytimes.com] are the demographic most like Skittles.

    Compare Skittles:

    If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful? That’s our Syrian refugee problem.

    And Salon is the wrong source for M&Ms. Slate [slate.com] is the expert on M&Ms. (You're already aware of the context from our past conversations, but I'm also posting for the peanut gallery.) Martin Wagner tweets:

    Imagine a bowl of M&Ms. 10% of them are poisoned. Go ahead. Eat a handful. Not all M&Ms are poison. #YesAllWomen

    (For the peanut gallery, the M&Ms came before the Skittles. I've yet to read somewhere in the media where anybody has attempted to resolve the inherent cognitive dissonance here. There might be something out there, so please educate me!)

    So perhaps what we need to answer the Skittles is #yesallwhites. Does that sound agreeable?

    After all, quoting Karin Robinson as reported by Slate:

    No, #NotAllMen are violent against women, but #YesAllWomen have to navigate a world where those who are look the same as those who aren't.

    I think we can reasonably conclude that not all Syrian refugees are violent against whites for example (or they could be mutilating genitals, they could be rapists, take your pick of whatever morally reprehensible thing somebody who is a Syrian refugee might do), but all whites have to navigate a world where those who are look the same as those who aren't.

    Did it ever occur to #yesallwomen that people who aren't womyn-born-womyn also feel unsafe or vulnerable in public places from time to time, perhaps frequently? Did it occur to a single person going #yesallwomen that being assigned the male gender at birth does not make one a 6'5" linebacker?

    If it did, please post the link or give me something I can head off to the library to find, because I must read it. Would you please also refresh my memory as concerns violent crime statistics where a man is the perpetrator and a woman is the victim? That is what we're talking about, right, violent assault?

    Additionally, what do these perpetually frightened womyn-born-womyn plan to do about it, even if I'm supposed to accept that for reasons there is something I will never understand here, some special secret threat I will never know and cannot be articulated? I think our Viking warrior in TFS would have some helpful ideas could we ask her. Hint: when seconds matter, the… this isn't going to be strictly correct but bear with me… the húskarl are minutes away.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:03PM (1 child)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:03PM (#566885) Journal

      Do you truly think it didn't occur to them? I don't know, maybe I'm giving the identity-politics brigade too much credit, but there is a very good reason my brand of feminism involves outreach to men and trying to help them break out of the prison the kyriarchy puts them in (and why I tend to say kyriarchy rather than patriarchy...). Society tells boys and men not to be kind, not to be nurturing, not to have emotions, and above all never to ask for help. This is why I think any feminism that intends to make real progress needs to face these issues and help our menfolk too. If nothing else, how many men are we losing from professions like nursing and teaching because society tells them it's unmanly? And let's not even get into the circumcision thing; no one's genitalia should be mutilated, no matter which set they have or neither or both.

      All that said, yes, there *is* some "secret fear" (and it's not even secret if you're paying afuckingttention) that most men do not deal with. It can be quickly if somewhat imprecisely summed up as "in the field of dating and romance, men worry about women rejecting them, women worry about men raping and/or killing them for said rejection."

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      • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 12 2017, @10:37PM

        by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @10:37PM (#566993) Journal

        Wikipedia for kyriarchy [wikipedia.org] includes:

        …Kyriarchy relies on the creation of a servant class, race, gender, or people. The position of this class is reinforced through "education, socialization, and brute violence and malestream rationalization." Tēraudkalns suggests that these structures of oppression are self-sustained by internalized oppression; those with relative power tend to remain in power, while those without tend to remain disenfranchised. Structures of oppression also amplify and feed into each other.

        That checks out, especially the internalized oppression part. It's definitely a more complete theory.

        It can be quickly if somewhat imprecisely summed up as "in the field of dating and romance, men worry about women rejecting them, women worry about men raping and/or killing them for said rejection."

        That might be too imprecise for me, particularly the word worry. Do you have statistics I can take a look at?

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:31PM (#566894)

    Thanks for clearing up the hashtag there. I was wondering why feminists suddenly had a preference for short men.