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posted by martyb on Tuesday September 12 2017, @11:05AM   Printer-friendly
from the Valkyries,-Amazons,...Xena? dept.

DNA proves fearsome Viking warrior was a woman:

A 10th century Viking unearthed in the 1880s was like a figure from Richard Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries: an elite warrior buried with a sword, an ax, a spear, arrows, a knife, two shields, and a pair of warhorses. [...] a new study published today in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology finds that the warrior was a woman—the first high-status female Viking warrior to be identified. Excavators first uncovered the battle-ready body among several thousand Viking graves near the Swedish town of Birka, but for 130 years, most assumed it was a man—known only by the grave identifier, Bj 581. [...] Now, the warrior's DNA proves her sex, suggesting a surprising degree of gender balance in the Vikings' violent social order.

Her name was Lagertha.

Reference: Charlotte Hedenstierna-Jonson, et. al., A female Viking warrior confirmed by genomics, American Journal of Physical Anthropology, DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.23308


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  • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:24PM (2 children)

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @05:24PM (#566861) Journal

    First, I am talking about feminists, not all women. One is not born a feminist. Our Viking here did not know the word feminist. Feminism does not even speak for all women, TERFs and trans women aside.

    Was about to post a correction to my post, since I thought I wasn't remembering the Skittles correctly, but I might as well work it into a response here. Turns out I was correct about being incorrect. Syrian refugees [nytimes.com] are the demographic most like Skittles.

    Compare Skittles:

    If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful? That’s our Syrian refugee problem.

    And Salon is the wrong source for M&Ms. Slate [slate.com] is the expert on M&Ms. (You're already aware of the context from our past conversations, but I'm also posting for the peanut gallery.) Martin Wagner tweets:

    Imagine a bowl of M&Ms. 10% of them are poisoned. Go ahead. Eat a handful. Not all M&Ms are poison. #YesAllWomen

    (For the peanut gallery, the M&Ms came before the Skittles. I've yet to read somewhere in the media where anybody has attempted to resolve the inherent cognitive dissonance here. There might be something out there, so please educate me!)

    So perhaps what we need to answer the Skittles is #yesallwhites. Does that sound agreeable?

    After all, quoting Karin Robinson as reported by Slate:

    No, #NotAllMen are violent against women, but #YesAllWomen have to navigate a world where those who are look the same as those who aren't.

    I think we can reasonably conclude that not all Syrian refugees are violent against whites for example (or they could be mutilating genitals, they could be rapists, take your pick of whatever morally reprehensible thing somebody who is a Syrian refugee might do), but all whites have to navigate a world where those who are look the same as those who aren't.

    Did it ever occur to #yesallwomen that people who aren't womyn-born-womyn also feel unsafe or vulnerable in public places from time to time, perhaps frequently? Did it occur to a single person going #yesallwomen that being assigned the male gender at birth does not make one a 6'5" linebacker?

    If it did, please post the link or give me something I can head off to the library to find, because I must read it. Would you please also refresh my memory as concerns violent crime statistics where a man is the perpetrator and a woman is the victim? That is what we're talking about, right, violent assault?

    Additionally, what do these perpetually frightened womyn-born-womyn plan to do about it, even if I'm supposed to accept that for reasons there is something I will never understand here, some special secret threat I will never know and cannot be articulated? I think our Viking warrior in TFS would have some helpful ideas could we ask her. Hint: when seconds matter, the… this isn't going to be strictly correct but bear with me… the húskarl are minutes away.

  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:03PM (1 child)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @06:03PM (#566885) Journal

    Do you truly think it didn't occur to them? I don't know, maybe I'm giving the identity-politics brigade too much credit, but there is a very good reason my brand of feminism involves outreach to men and trying to help them break out of the prison the kyriarchy puts them in (and why I tend to say kyriarchy rather than patriarchy...). Society tells boys and men not to be kind, not to be nurturing, not to have emotions, and above all never to ask for help. This is why I think any feminism that intends to make real progress needs to face these issues and help our menfolk too. If nothing else, how many men are we losing from professions like nursing and teaching because society tells them it's unmanly? And let's not even get into the circumcision thing; no one's genitalia should be mutilated, no matter which set they have or neither or both.

    All that said, yes, there *is* some "secret fear" (and it's not even secret if you're paying afuckingttention) that most men do not deal with. It can be quickly if somewhat imprecisely summed up as "in the field of dating and romance, men worry about women rejecting them, women worry about men raping and/or killing them for said rejection."

    --
    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Tuesday September 12 2017, @10:37PM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @10:37PM (#566993) Journal

      Wikipedia for kyriarchy [wikipedia.org] includes:

      …Kyriarchy relies on the creation of a servant class, race, gender, or people. The position of this class is reinforced through "education, socialization, and brute violence and malestream rationalization." Tēraudkalns suggests that these structures of oppression are self-sustained by internalized oppression; those with relative power tend to remain in power, while those without tend to remain disenfranchised. Structures of oppression also amplify and feed into each other.

      That checks out, especially the internalized oppression part. It's definitely a more complete theory.

      It can be quickly if somewhat imprecisely summed up as "in the field of dating and romance, men worry about women rejecting them, women worry about men raping and/or killing them for said rejection."

      That might be too imprecise for me, particularly the word worry. Do you have statistics I can take a look at?