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It's 2017. Why are there still Nazis?
It's a question many observers are asking after hundreds of white supremacists, many displaying swastikas and Confederate battle flags and shouting racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-communist slogans, took to the streets of Charlottesville, Va., this weekend, provoking violence that claimed the life of one counter-protester and resulted in multiple injuries.
The continued existence of people who hold openly white supremacist ideologies more than seven decades after the fall of the Third Reich can be explained, in part, through a social theory developed in the early 1990s. Social dominance theory seeks to explain how hierarchy-enhancing ideologies do not just drive social inequality, but are also a result of it. It suggests that a single personality trait, called social dominance orientation (SDO), strongly predicts a person's political and social views, from foreign policy and criminal justice to civil rights and the environment. What's more, it offers insight into how ideologies such as racism, sexism, and xenophobia tend to arise from the unequal distribution of a society's resources.
"Social dominance theory provides a yardstick for measuring social and political ideologies," says Felicia Pratto, who developed the theory with fellow psychologist Jim Sidanius. "SDO is one way – not the only one – to try to figure out what those ideologies are 'about.'"
You too can take the Social Dominance Orientation quiz to determine your nazi quotient.
(Score: 5, Informative) by wonkey_monkey on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:02PM (4 children)
Or you could've just said "losers."
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:03AM (3 children)
Found the overprivileged member of the privileged class. Or as you like to call yourselves, winners.
So which are you? Preferred Veteran? Black? Female? Gay?
Or are you one of the ever popular Gregarious Greedy Assholes who shout "fuck you I makes me my money" ?
For examples, see MDC and TMB. MDC is more a gregarious greedy dickhead since his bald head looks like a dick. TMB is the dirty asshole.
We the nerds had a nice internet before you unskilled social shitstains invaded. Fuck off.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:47AM
You're about as nerdy as a dingleberry . . .
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:55AM
I gave a hundred bucks to the Houston food not bombs
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:41AM
What? I'm just a non-Nazi. I didn't realise calling Nazis losers would be so contentious.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:03PM (2 children)
There are still Nazis because there are still Jews infiltrating every element of our society and promoting degeneracy.
I call them Jews, you call them the 1% or "Wall Street", but our gripes are with the same group of people.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:33PM (1 child)
And I call you an idiot because most Jews have nothing to do with any of that, the vast majority of the degeneracy-pushers are not Jews and they generally hate the Jews, and the Jewish media is putting out the best reporting on their activities. Tablet, Algemeiner, and the Jerusalem Post have had several good investigative articles over the past couple of years.
The same goes for the 1% and Wall Street. The bad guys are up there but not everyone is infected.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:28AM
Israel has been purposely collecting Jews from all over the world for decades now. Israel provides all sorts of assistance to help them move and settle in.
Some Jews accept the offer. Some Jews do not. This is sorting by personality type.
The ones who are conservative have mostly left the USA by now. We get to keep the leftovers, as liberal as could be. They can be shockingly self-loathing, which would be fine by me if not for the fact that I suffer as a result. The liberal Jews are happy to welcome muslims to infect the USA, ultimately causing Jews to die. Well fine, except that people like me will also die.
Heh... "Dear Israel, could we trade some of our Jews for some of your Jews?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:15PM (15 children)
I tried to take the quiz but it was too full of questions like this:
Deserving of what? What are defines a groups? Bottom and top of what, exactly?
Anyway, the questions were all stupid like that so I quit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:23PM (2 children)
It works! We found a Nazi!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:17AM (1 child)
So thieves are just as deserving of their place in society as Nuns?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:16AM
Nuns are thieves. From a survivor of Catholic primary education.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:40PM
Same here.
The problem with the quiz is that it's designed in such a way that nearly every person who takes it will get the result that they are not a bogeyman.
Nearly every person (who is not a sociopath) desires fairness. What's happening is that the working class is no better off than they were 40 years ago. Sure, there's tons of shiny electronics these days (all DRMed to hell), but fundamentally nothing has changed. If anything, money is tighter these days for the working class than any time in recent memory.
The trouble is that the media is conditioning the working class with a racial narrative. Working class people who are black blame the whites. Working class people who are white blame the blacks. Etc. It's a narrative specifically engineered to turn the working class against itself.
They don't want the working class to figure out that the problem isn't Muslims or Christians or whites or blacks. The problem the working class has is that they've all become convinced that they shouldn't collectively bargain. They vote for an R or D team that seem to support the same policies. And the 1%ers are turning them into slaves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:53AM (10 children)
Obviously, you haven't been properly indoctrinated.
"Groups at the bottom are just as deserving as groups at the top."
Every liberal knows the answer to that is "true". They have no idea WHY it's true, but they've learned to respond to the question positively. It's called brainwashing. Pavlov would have some insight into it.
Like yourself, I'm going to wonder, "Which groups? Why are they on the bottom? HOW did they get to the bottom? How long have they been on the bottom? Did they do something evil to be cast to the bottom?"
Of course, if you HAVE BEEN indoctrinated, and you answer "yes" without any thought - then you would have to support the KKK and all the skinhead groups, because they obviously aren't on top today. But, that isn't happening, because the left is just as full of hypocrites as the right ever was.
I'm going to buy my defensive radar from Temu, just like Venezuela!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:47AM
What if the question was "Should someone who works 40 hours a week have a reasonably comfortable life, being able to properly house, feed, clothe, and educate himself and his family and have enough left over for retirement?"
...and this would probably be a good place to mention that when the economy tanked previously and the Capitalists weren't hiring, FDR put 15 million USAians[1] to work building/rebuilding the infrastructure.
[1] ...when there were only 100 million USAians in total.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:54AM
Runaway you're an old fool. There is no debating with you any more, simply highlighting your shortcomings.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:49AM (7 children)
And what, Runaway, if I've asked myself those questions and mostly (though not entirely; bad decisions are bad decisions) come to the conclusion that the whole system is a racket, poor people are mainly created rather than create themselves, and useful idiots like you are worth your no doubt overgenerous weight in gold to the bastards that are dividing-and-conquering the working class? What then?
You want so, SO badly for the world to be just. So badly, in fact, that you will insist it IS just, despite the horrors before your eyes, because if you admitted it isn't, you'd face your own utter insignificance in the face of the above-mentioned bastards.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:31AM (6 children)
Wow - are you preparing to dive off the deep end? There's no water in the pool, Azuma.
When and where did I EVER declare that the world is just? WTF would a "just world" even be like? I don't think that any of us can even imagine such a thing. For starters, no birth defects - every child is born healthy, born intelligent, born with all of his body and mental faculties, ready to grow into a strong, healthy toddly, child, adolescent, and adult. There would be no addictions. No mental illnesses. No psychological problems. That is only a start.
All the religious violence, down through history? In a just world, every child would be born with an absolute knowledge that there is no god, or that there is One True God, or that there are dozens, hundreds, or thousands of little gods. We would all KNOW the truth, and there would be no controversy.
Politics? In a just world, we would all know when a politician was trying to blow smoke up our asses. Oh, wow, there goes most of the rest of our wars, down through history - and prehistory as well.
A "just world", you say.
In a just world, the economy would be a lot like the commies say things should be like. You need something? Take it. No, no no no NO! You don't take shit because you merely WANT it - you take what you need, and leave the rest, and everyone is happy that you now have what you NEED. Extras, you've got to work for. And, of course, in this perfectly just world, you wouldn't even WANT to take more than your share.
Tell us, Ms. Hazuki, just WTF do you think a just world would be like? No child abuse, no spousal abuse, no retards and mental deficients to ever be abused, and no one who would have the least desire to abuse a retard if he did find one.
Few if any humans can even imagine such a world.
FFS woman, you must be hallucinating badly if YOU think that I think that the world is "just". In reality, most people buy justice, or they get shit on, and we both know that. No money, no justice. If you've got money, we'll help you to redefine justice to fit your desires.
Talk to your drug supplier, and tell him you want the pure shit. Those additives and adulterants are fucking your mind up.
Oh yeah, in a JUST world, none of us would be driven by our hormones. I suspect that damned near everyone of us has made stupid decisions because our hormones dictated what we wanted. In a just world, we would ALL decide, sanely, and rationally, if and when we WANTED to become intimate with someone. In the real world, our high schools are pits or hormones, boys and girls alike sexually mature, and ready to fuck their brains out at the drop of a hat. Hell, they don't need any hat to drop - if the wind changes, they want to fuck.
Just say no to drugs, and you'll help to make this world a little more just.
I'm going to buy my defensive radar from Temu, just like Venezuela!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:23AM
Oh, shit, Runaway! I thought you wanted it, as much as I did! I mean, I was being rational, at least as much as anyone could be when confronted with an offer of intimacy from someone as ancient and creaky and right-wing leaning as yourself. I promised to never tell. But now, now I suspect that you were just, oh I don't know, "out of control"? This tarnishes our relationship, but I just want you to know, it is all on you. Grow up, Runaway! Be a Man! Grow a Pair! And leave Chelsea alone.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:35PM (4 children)
Uh, wow. Thanks. That actually gives me a lot of insight into your specific issues. I'll be analyzing this for a bit longer. I honestly wasn't expecting that amount of soul-baring from you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 18 2017, @05:48AM (3 children)
ROFLMAO - I may just adopt you for your entertainment value. You won't mind staying in a separate little house in the back yard, will you? Unless you're abusive toward her, Rags will keep you company while you make silly posts on the internet. Rags loves silly people.
I'm going to buy my defensive radar from Temu, just like Venezuela!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 18 2017, @04:50PM (2 children)
You're...really not helping your case here. Step back and look at the contents of your posts; most sane people looking at them are going to see "Guy getting badly savaged and resorting to weird, slightly creepy-uncle-ish insults to try and get his own back." You make yourself look worse with your own posts than anything I could possibly say to or about you does.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 18 2017, @05:04PM (1 child)
MOST people don't see things the same way that EITHER you or I see them. Don't presume to speak for most people. A couple posts back you were amusing. Now you're getting boorish again.
I'm going to buy my defensive radar from Temu, just like Venezuela!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 18 2017, @08:24PM
Oh, sorry, am I intruding on your stock in trade? You lecturing me about boorishness is a little bit like David Duke telling people to lay off the racism...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:27PM
The quiz is exactly Post-Modernism for idiots, Agree/Super-Agree/I'm-a-Nazi?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:34PM (2 children)
Because it's a thing, and people like things. Also, there is a large pool of potential entrants who are free to reproduce. This is key. For example, there are extinct tribes because by definition you can only be a member if you are born a member, and the demographics were shrinking. OTOH, the pool of "aryans" is large and stable in population. Being free to reproduce is important because they can pass ideas on to their children. Contrast this with Shakers--not reproducing, and there are only two old ones left according to a quick googling I just did.
Simply being a thing isn't enough. You've got to have awareness and marketing. I could invent "Scallopurian" right now. There. I'm the first Scallopurian. Anybody else want to join? It's easy. Just declare that you are one. That's not enough though. It has to have marketing. Few people will read this. It has no flag, no history of evil, good, or neutral and thus nobody has any particular affinity for it. I could write a whole book about it, and if I were unscrupulous I could even found an organization and get some traction with celebrities... and... I won't do that; because I'm not a douche. If I were though, and it all fell into place, it could be a thing.
People would join up, even if it sucked.
Because it would be a thing.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:58AM
Pastafarians, scientologists, before them, Mormons, it goes on and on and on. To bad the Moonies seem to have dried up and blown away. They were as harmless as the limp noodle people.
I'm going to buy my defensive radar from Temu, just like Venezuela!
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:01AM
I am intrigued. Do you have a newsletter?
(Score: -1, Insightful) by jmorris on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:37PM (2 children)
Nazi ideas were tested and destroyed Germany. Look at the pathetic cucks on the Stools of Eternal Repentance along with the South here in the U.S. Bad idea.
After a Century of making identity politics and Anti-White bigotry the central idea in American politics people are actually shocked when some of the Whites decided to group up and play the game by the published rules. Good, bad, doesn't matter, the reaction was utterly predictable. Considering the ferocity of the assault, the amazing thing is it has taken this long and such extreme provocation to generate the, up to now, fairly mild reaction we now see. Yet judging by the shock and horror it was apparently inconceivable that white people would ever resist their extermination. Fascinating.
Notice that even the linked "quiz" / push poll propaganda is entirely focused around the idea that group identity politics is the only lens to view the world and policy questions through.
So what is the argument against "White identity" or even "White Power" politics? Don't even try the "you can't be a racist unless you have power" crap, all of the White Nationalists have less power than BLM. BLM can riot with impunity, none of their leaders have even been arrested and sent off to prison. That is power. Antifa can riot, often wearing masks, and rarely be arrested. That is power. Both can make demands under threats of violence and have them met. Power. They tend to control the political power structure in the places they are active. Again, power. Sharpton has incited riots and accumilated a body count, he remains a respectable sort of fellow who can host a TV show, appear on the stage as a Presidential (albeit a joke) candidate, etc. Show me where the White Nationalists have any actual power, influence or platform. But the Narrative says they are racist. Hmm.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:42PM (1 child)
Found another one!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @01:20AM
You must be new here.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:47PM (8 children)
There are still real Nazis? They must be around 100+ years old or something then. Are these the once that hid in their secret base in Antarctica or the once that have a secret base on the back side of the moon? I'm quite curios to know, I really am.
Those 8 question in the quiz ... They are so vague and general they could be used and applied for almost anything.
1. An ideal society requires some groups to be on top and others to be on the bottom.
2. Some groups of people are simply inferior to other groups.
3. No one group should dominate in society
4. Groups at the bottom are just as deserving as groups at the top.
5. Group equality should not be our primary goal.
6. It is unjust to try to make groups equal.
7. We should do what we can to equalize conditions for different groups.
8. We should work to give all groups an equal chance to succeed.
SIEG H .... oh wait ... None of the questions actually ask if I believe in white supremacy, Nazi ideology or anything that have to do with Nazism at all. But I guess since I'm white and Male I should just embrace my inner Nazism and go with it ...
(Score: 2) by tfried on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:57AM (6 children)
You may want to ponder that sentence, again, perhaps reading up on any terms that you do not have a strong grip on. Makes sense, now?
There are certainly more direct ways of assessing whether / to what degree somebody actually is a Nazi. But the whole point is to connect that specific ideology to
a) more general "orientations"
b) situational context
(Score: 2) by looorg on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:22PM (5 children)
Did you just get triggered or what didn't you understand? The questions are to general, they don't provide enough context or information so they can't act as a proper backup for their initial statement or claim. They don't give us any information about the groups, it could literally be almost anything -- serial rapists vs little old ladies, unemployed bums vs doctors, black vs white, urban vs country etc. Are they equally worthy? Down to the inch? They don't give context. They have very open ended questions without proper definitions given so it could be almost anything and everything making this more or less completely worthless as a predictor for anything. It just doesn't offer any kind of insights. Given enough open ended questions and variables you can predict or correlate almost anything. Which is probably what they want, since if you ask open questions, you get open answers that can without any problems be used to fit what ever preconceived ideas you might have had to begin with. For this to have any kind of meaning you need definitions of groups, equality, power, high-status, low-status etc. These are not universal, nor are they given here.
Q1. This is how human society has always worked. Hierarchical society works, flat societies does not.
Q2. This is almost like a trick question to Q1. But Inferior how and based on what? Status? Education? Needs? Being at the bottom doesn't necessarily make you inferior in every way -- it could just indicate that you are below. You could still be equal in other aspects.
Q3. Given Q1 this is sort of given already. If one wants to rule by force, or be at the top of society there will be domination. Interestingly most power structures depend on the highest level dominating and playing out groups on the levels below it against each other so that they can't become a threat to the their level or gain enough power to challenge them.
Q4. Deserving in what way and of what? What if your society is a Meritocracy? Are people that do nothing going to be worth the same as people that do something that is actually needed?
Q5-Q8. What is equality? How equal should they be? Down to the inch? If two groups are equal are they then not in fact the same group? This would then be the desire to make everyone the same. A groupless, or ONE group, society. A recipe for failure. What if one group is just clearly better then another group, the others can't be brought up to their level for some reason. Should we then lower the first group down to their level in the name of equality? So it's pretty much a race to the bottom or smallest common denominator. Do what we can, what if we can't or don't want to do anything? Under which conditions? Are everyone equal, or equally suitable for everything? Can they even do everything? Clearly there are differences between groups and people.
So what is it that you believe that I do not understand? The article and the questions are making bold claims that these questions just can't back up. They are to vague and general to have any actual value, there is just to much wiggle-room. None of the questions given are even trying to determine my status, high or low, or which group I would belong to. Was one to think about right-wing-extremism in general the people associated with it are usually not members of any high-status groups, unless you believe that being male and white makes you high status in our modern society. It doesn't. Most high status people wouldn't wanna be caught dead at an event like Charlottesville. Not to mention that Conservatism doesn't equal Nazism. If you make that comparison you are somewhat deluded and mistaken.
(Score: 2) by tfried on Sunday September 17 2017, @06:51PM (4 children)
Some of these questions are somewhat vague, but don't pretend you did not understand what they were getting at: An issue on which there are quite simply different views. There's eight questions, so if you really misunderstand one or two of them, or think of an unusual example where your general world view does not apply, then that will simply be averaged out. Dig up the numbers yourself, if you like, but the scale has been shown to be reasonably consistent (i.e. same persons gives similar answers on re-test, on one half of the questions compared to the others, etc.), and they have been shown to correlate to various other concepts, so it has been demonstrated that it does in fact measure something. If you have reason to argue that it measures something other than what it is labelled, then say so. Saying it's just noise does not work.
Given your further explanations, it is rather obvious that you score medium to high on that scale. That does not make you a bad person or even a Nazi, but it is not the same as my score, for instance. There are different views on the best balance of equality and hierarchy in a society. Arguing which balance is "objectively" better (on whatever count) is not the point, here. Also, translating from a certain score on the scale to a very specific society is going to be difficult. But still higher scores reflect a different view on the world than lower scores.
True, and that is just one of the reasons why this "test" cannot diagnose a Nazi. But again, why would it, there are more direct questions for that. I can see why you would be triggered with csmonitor basically selling this as an "are you a Nazi"-test, while that is in fact not what it is. Now I am in the comfy position of scoring low on the scale, so I'm not under suspicion of being a Nazi. But then, the downside to that is that I'm always at danger of being stamped a Communist. If nothing else, you will probably admit that this isn't a label that you get confronted with, too often?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @01:36AM (3 children)
It was like the first time I was asked "does your mom know you are stupid?" It takes a second to figure out the question itself is trick the first time. I went through four of these just to see if they were all like that. Answering the question means you are ignorant, naive, or stupid (ie someone to be manipulated). Some people never get that, which is what this tests for I guess?
(Score: 2) by tfried on Monday September 18 2017, @06:15AM (2 children)
Hm, you seriously think a trick question could serve a purpose in a paper-and-pencil/online test? A forced choice one, too? Care to explain the algorithm for that?
Look, TFA is very much to blame for Godwin-ing the whole thing from the start. But that questionnaire still measures something. And for all I can see some folks, here, are actually surprised to find out their view on equality / hierarchy is not universally shared. Isn't that a start?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @12:11PM (1 child)
Psychology questionnaires often use misdirection so you do not guess the true purpose of the questions. In fact I would say the majority of them are like this. Have you never taken psych 101 where they make you be a subject for 3 "studies" to pass?
(Score: 2) by tfried on Monday September 18 2017, @01:29PM
I took enough psychology classes (and played lab rat to more than enough studies) to be able to google "social dominance orientation", and find out it is a well-established concept backed by some well-published scales (heck, you can even read up on it on wikipedia) designed to measure: social dominance orientation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @02:41PM
You don't need to be white to be a Nazi. Look at Mugabe and their movement in Zimbabwe.
Also congrats, you are a Nazi, or at very least racist/bigot. Maybe you should realize a few things
1. we have one stinking planet
2. we are all human
3. differences between different "groups" are smaller than differences within these "groups" -- it almost doesn't matter how you define the group.
4. and now, we are rapidly approaching one culture world.
It is self-harm on societal level to treat others as "different".
Not sure about leftist. More centrist. But then again, centrist is the enemy of the Nazis and the Commies. Both want to divide society into groups which results in chaos and war. Perfect examples would be Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. And these days, Hungary, Russia and now US.
Anyway, in the "good old days" all the women were the underclass too. And white men without land were underclass before that. And every fucking step of the way to have equal rights for everyone, there were idiots in these underclasses that were arguing against it. Every fucking step of the way. So it is not surprising that bigots remain. And will continue to remain and continue to try to destroy the society they live in because of their god-complex.
Zimbabwe, prime example. Today's Israel, another example. You don't need to be white to be a Nazi, a racist, or a bigot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @06:52AM
It is easier to control people when they are fighting each other instead of coming together and realizing who is really in control. None of the groups doing the fighting are part of the ruling class.
Divisions are created (skin color, political orientation, ...) just because they can. People are told to belong to a group whether they want to or not. And to die for that group's ideologies (which were dictated by the ruling class) whether the people want to or not.
There are differences in peoples and that is a good thing. Don't hate others. Love yourself more.
About the article:
The "social dominance orientation quiz" proves nothing (as has been said before) and was hatched by someone with an agenda. The gutter press was then instructed to market it far and wide.
And by the way, today's "Neo"-Nazis are nothing more than CIA people creating divisions, like this one (and his group):
Christopher Cantwell [thewrap.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:35PM
One of these isn't like the others.