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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 27 2017, @10:15AM   Printer-friendly
from the No-Way! dept.

What was it that one learned through a great books curriculum? Certainly not "conservatism" in any contemporary American sense of the term. We were not taught to become American patriots, or religious pietists, or to worship what Rudyard Kipling called "the Gods of the Market Place." We were not instructed in the evils of Marxism, or the glories of capitalism, or even the superiority of Western civilization.

As I think about it, I'm not sure we were taught anything at all. What we did was read books that raised serious questions about the human condition, and which invited us to attempt to ask serious questions of our own. Education, in this sense, wasn't a "teaching" with any fixed lesson. It was an exercise in interrogation.

To listen and understand; to question and disagree; to treat no proposition as sacred and no objection as impious; to be willing to entertain unpopular ideas and cultivate the habits of an open mind — this is what I was encouraged to do by my teachers at the University of Chicago.

It's what used to be called a liberal education.

The University of Chicago showed us something else: that every great idea is really just a spectacular disagreement with some other great idea.

Bret Stephens's speech warrants a full read. It makes valuable points that we all need to hear, even on SN.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday September 28 2017, @01:07AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) on Thursday September 28 2017, @01:07AM (#574131) Journal

    This is a good place.

    Disagree. Being contrarian on suggestion/command is never a good thing - it's not skepticism, it's compliance.

    Case at point: if it would be a natural skepticism, you'd see "Disagree" more frequent in other FA/stories than only this one.

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  • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Monday October 02 2017, @04:59PM

    by meustrus (4961) on Monday October 02 2017, @04:59PM (#575977)

    I thought it was funny. And normally I'm not so sure about the "Disagree" mod. It doesn't really add to the conversation, but I like having it as an option when I despise the post but can't come up with a good reason why. In some places I (or another moderator) would pick a negative mod that doesn't really apply, like "Troll".

    But real disagreement comes from responses. If you have a disagreement, it's better for everyone for you to put forth your argument. Otherwise, we're just a chaotic mess that can't learn from the mistakes of others, let alone our own.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @07:27AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @07:27AM (#578506)

    > Being contrarian on suggestion/command is never a good thing - it's not skepticism, it's compliance.

    Er, I respectfully disagree. Both with "never a good thing," as devil's advocate is a useful tool to stimulate thought, and with your assertion that compliance at one meta-level precludes skepticism in an entirely different domain.