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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday October 12 2017, @08:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the boldly-go dept.

Phoenix666 and looorg have both written in with stories about 'Star Trek: Discovery':

'Star Trek: Discovery' Producers: Be Patient With Us

The Fine Article contains spoilers for those who haven't seen the show:

The lightness and easygoing chemistry among the "Discovery" cast present a stark contrast with the characters of "Discovery." In the first few episodes, the show has turned Burnham into a shunned mutineer, introduced a suspicious skipper in Capt. Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs) and given us an arrogant and snappy scientist in Lt. Paul Stamets (Anthony Rapp).
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It's the darkness of the characters and the background, which is set amid a war with the Klingons, as well as potentially continuity-bending aspects like Burnham being the adoptive daughter of Sarek, Spock's dad, that have some longtime Trekkies nervous.

If you're among those worried about the changes brought on by "Discovery," the producers have some advice for you: Just wait a little bit.

"We are canon," executive producer Alex Kurtzman said in an interview Saturday. "You'll have to be patient with us."

Kurtzman addressed the notion that the show would be grittier, assuring fans that the core themes of Star Trek remain.

Is it Game of Thrones in Space?

Windows into the Future

So this is a sure sign of the apocalypse. Windows will still be around in 2256 according to Star Trek. Guess we have to wait for that year of the Linux desktop for a few hundred more years.

https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/10/3/16412372/star-trek-discovery-cbs-windows-code-command-line


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 12 2017, @09:31AM (31 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 12 2017, @09:31AM (#581048) Homepage Journal

    I've seen every episode of every Trek series at least ten times by now (some episodes dozens of times), so I obviously don't mind a little cultural reflection in my Trek. When the people in charge of a project start calling it a vehicle for their messages though, they can suck a dick. I'll be watching The Orville instead.

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  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @12:25PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @12:25PM (#581099)

    > When the people in charge of a project start calling it a vehicle for their messages though, they can suck a dick.

    It has become a crusade of mine to demonstrate that TV need not be violent to be exciting... I wanted to send a message to the television industry that excitement is not made of car chases. We stress humanity, and this is done at considerable cost. We can't have a lot of dramatics that other shows get away with -- promiscuity, greed, jealousy. None of those have a place in Star Trek.

    -- Eugene Wesley Roddenberry [nytimes.com]

    Our shows are about the best of humans solving problems and learning about their own humanity. In our story sessions, we talk about how the world should be. Our characters symbolize where humans could be if they wanted to be.

    -- Eugene Wesley Roddenberry [tcm.com]

    'Star Trek' was an attempt to say humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in lifeforms.

    -- Eugene Wesley Roddenberry [brainyquote.com]

    'Star Trek' speaks to some basic human needs: that there is a tomorrow - it's not all going to be over with a big flash and a bomb; that the human race is improving; that we have things to be proud of as humans.

    -- Eugene Wesley Roddenberry [brainyquote.com]

    'I was tired of writing for shows where there was always a shoot-out in the last act and somebody was killed. 'Star Trek' was formulated to change that.

    -- Eugene Wesley Roddenberry [brainyquote.com]

    • (Score: 3, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 12 2017, @12:38PM (5 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 12 2017, @12:38PM (#581102) Homepage Journal

      Which might have been a problem if what he said and what got done were remotely the same.

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      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday October 12 2017, @01:35PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday October 12 2017, @01:35PM (#581123) Homepage

        If they're gonna go all diversity on us, why not take it to the extreme and stop pussyfootin' around? I want to see captain D'Jarius who prefers to carry disruptor pistols stolen from his enemies tucked in his waistband rather than phasers.

        " Kom-PUTAH! Gibs me dat fried chikkin! " * takes bite * " SHeeeeit....ain't like mammy usedta make! "

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by BasilBrush on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:00PM (3 children)

        by BasilBrush (3994) on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:00PM (#581126)

        It sounds exactly what was done, and it wasn't a problem. Face it, Star Trek is basically socialist. If you ignore the crap that was DS9 and Enterprise.

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by rleigh on Thursday October 12 2017, @05:51PM

          by rleigh (4887) on Thursday October 12 2017, @05:51PM (#581241) Homepage

          I would argue that DS9 also fits this mould, but with a difference. TOS and TNG were set squarely in the federation, a quasi-utopia with occasional interaction with other species. DS9 sets the same people in a different context: a distant outpost in the aftermath of a war where people on both sides of the conflict have to live with their history and its influence on their present and future, and where material needs and money are still a reality. It's easy to be "good" in a utopia. DS9 often constrasts the two conditions, and what has been gained and lost by both, and how other cultures with different social norms interact with it; while different I really liked it, and I think it's got even better with age. It allowed them to explore material which would otherwise have been difficult (religion, damagoguery), yet still was ultimately aspirational, about seeing the best of humanity even in bad circumstances.

          This has been done by others as well. Take Ian M. Banks "Culture" novels. Like Trek, the Culture meta-civilisation is super advanced, and they live in a utopia with all material needs taken care of. But stories about perfect people in perfect worlds aren't intrinsically very interesting. So each of his novels looks at the Culture from different perspectives, to give insights into them which would otherwise not be apparent. This includes primitive species (Inversions), vastly more advanced races (Excession), developing species and co-civilisations (Matter, Surface Detail, The Hydrogen Sonata), enemy civilisations (Consider Phlebas, Look to Windward, Player of Games) and cultures which develop along different lines (Against a Dark Background). Superbly done, and it also reveals the dark side of utopia and meddling with other civilisations even with the best of intentions, which is touched on a little by Trek, but not to the same extent.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:05PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:05PM (#581250)

          True enough. But as a kid it taught me more or less why socialism would never work now, maybe in 400 years sure, but not now. People there were nothing like people I saw in the real world, and I was just a kid mind you but I could easily tell the difference. Their MO was totally different, they were driven by things which I found impossible to comprehend. I saw the technology that enabled their lifestyles, and it was PURE MAGIC to me. Sure if we had magic now we can have a go at socialism, why not. I also noted later the glaring issues that were never addressed. Nowhere does it say what the population of Earth was. Picard's brother owned a vineyard, but in socialist utopia who decides ownership? I thought there was no land-owners. So on and so forth.

          If anything, StarTrek exposed socialism as fantasy.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by BasilBrush on Friday October 13 2017, @12:29AM

            by BasilBrush (3994) on Friday October 13 2017, @12:29AM (#581454)

            If you thought people don't own stuff in socialism, including land, then the problem is that you don't know what socialism is. You've confused it with communism.

            Socialism is about how we work, and what for and about making sure everyone is provided for. But it does not make everyone equal. It's not intended to.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:27PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:27PM (#581140)

      So, Star Trek is about Marry Sues being all perfect. Got it.

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:24PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:24PM (#581200)

        They're not Mary Sues if they're the entire crew.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:42PM (1 child)

      by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday October 12 2017, @02:42PM (#581147)

      Our shows are about the best of humans solving problems and learning about their own humanity. In our story sessions, we talk about how the world should be. Our characters symbolize where humans could be if they wanted to be.

      Exactly, and this is why the earlier ST shows were so great: they didn't show humans as the nasty, evil, violent, frequently incompetent, back-stabbing assholes that they really are in this universe. Instead, they showed humans at their very best, working together to solve difficult problems, establishing peaceful relations with other civilizations where possible, and in general doing good, and doing so with great competence at their jobs. That's completely and utterly realistic of course, as real humans aren't like that, but it's what I wish humans were like, and why I like watching Star Trek (TOS, TNG, etc.) From everything I've seen and read about Discovery, it just isn't like this. There seems to be one good character (the captain), and she gets killed off in the 2nd episode. The main character they focus on is entirely unlikable and does not symbolize how any decent human would want to be.

      • (Score: 2) by BasilBrush on Friday October 13 2017, @12:42AM

        by BasilBrush (3994) on Friday October 13 2017, @12:42AM (#581461)

        What you say is all true. But it looks like there will be a series long, or even multi-series arc to get the culture to where it was at the start of TOS.

        It seems like they've knocked Michael down right at the start, in order to build her up. They have set up a story of redemption. And, it being storytelling, her personal redemption will likely be representative of the whole federation's redemption.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @05:27PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @05:27PM (#581229)

      I was calling him Chris before (Like Tolkien's son) because I couldn't remember his damn name and because he was kind of an asshole.

      I don't remember if it was one of the fanfiction things or something else, but he doesn't care about pushing anything but copyright law with Star Trek. He's one of those second generation IP whores who doesn't have a real idea in his own head, but the money is good and he's willing to suck on whatever to get more of it.

      Orville kind of jumped the shark for me with the Time Travel episode. Mostly because of him closing the wormhole with that lady still on his ship, rather than throwing her through first then closing it, since either the event happened and she existed and should now be stuck in their timeline, or she existed and should be trapped in her own now-modified timeline with the wormhole collapsed, but by having her disappear like that either he blatantly murdered her knowing she would be erased when it collapsed, or he didn't and time should have reverted with no knowledge of the events, and thus the events not happening, which means they were destroyed in that 'dark matter storm'.

      This is why it annoys me when they choose to throw in time travel without taking the time to think of all the logical issues it causes to the past, future, and present of the episodes/show.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:06PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:06PM (#581252)

        You're right. That is THE hallmark of time travel: it's logical consistency. It simply doesn't make sense once you get rid of that. I mean, come on, we've got years of time travel experience to base that on!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 13 2017, @11:30AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 13 2017, @11:30AM (#581695)

        Gene Roddenberry died in 1991 (hence the quote from his obituary).

      • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Saturday October 14 2017, @09:01AM

        by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Saturday October 14 2017, @09:01AM (#582218) Homepage Journal

        Mostly because of him closing the wormhole with that lady still on his ship, rather than throwing her through first then closing it

        My mom asked me the same question. I answered, since she was from the future and that future no longer exists that doesn't mean she doesn't exist in the future. It just means the future changed and so did the past. She may very well be alive 900 years from then. Or, maybe her great great great (10 times) grandparents never ended up meeting.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by looorg on Thursday October 12 2017, @12:47PM

    by looorg (578) on Thursday October 12 2017, @12:47PM (#581106)

    I recall us, as in it being on Soylent when ST:D premiered about a month ago -- but I'm slightly to lazy to dig up the thread right now, having a talk about the Discovery vs The Orville back then to. I also still believe that The Orville is the more "trek" series of the two, even a month in. That said I think ST:D has become better -- it just isn't Star Trek, if this had been just any old space sci-fi it would have been better. But by calling it or saying that it is Star Trek it raises expectations that it clearly can't deliver.

    Last episode of Orville was great. Time traveling babe gets banged by the Captain, Kirk-style. It also had an interesting story. The practical joke bit was quite funny.

    In the fourth episode I think Discovery actually had it's first what I would consider to be Star Trek moment, sadly it lasted about half a scene and then it went away -- Burnham figures out that the ripper monster has a connection to the spores and feeds it spores while the security officer on the ship is revealed to be an actual red shirt even tho her uniform was blue. It then quickly returned to the usual Discovery gloom and doom setting. They know now that the "monster" is harmed every time they use its ability but they clearly don't care, or it's a worthwhile sacrifice. It might also explain tho why the spore-jump-drive (or whatever they call it) isn't in any other Treks, it requires that monster to work and if it dies then so does the spore-jump-drive. But still they are in essence torturing or hurting another being for their own gains which just seems quite un-Trek like.

    That said for the over all setting there has been a plausible explanation given, I don't recall exactly where I read it now. Anyway the explanation given that hasn't been revealed in the show (it might never be cause it might be incorrect) is that the Discovery is part of Section 31, the secret spook black ops section of Star Fleet. Which in some sense might explain something and the weird dark and gloomy setting. There have been things hinted at it but not flat out said yet. But with the correct filter it might makes sense. In the third episode you have the prisoners commenting on the black badges the guards have.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_31 [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by theluggage on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:33PM (4 children)

    by theluggage (1797) on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:33PM (#581166)

    I've seen every episode of every Trek series at least ten times by now (some episodes dozens of times), so I obviously don't mind a little cultural reflection in my Trek

    Yet, from the start of TOS, many, many episodes were thinly disguised morality plays.

    Do you think the fact that the original Enterprise bridge crew included a black female officer (and, in the original pilot, a female first officer), an Asian, a Russian and an alien was just an accident of colour-blind casting? How about TNG with a disabled guy and a ship's councillor effectively acting as a senior officer? DS9: Black commander, transgender (sort of) science officer; Voyager: Female captain, black Vulcan, native American first officer... Never could work out why they didn't make Archer gay (mind you - all that water polo...)

    I've been enjoying Discovery and certainly haven't seen any more "political correctness" than is consistent with Trek tradition. Yup, the main protagonist is a black woman - deal with it. The only prejudice that she's shown fighting is the little matter that she's a mutineer who arguably got thousands of people killed. Yes, her commanding officer is a white male... who apparently respects her and has given here a massive break that has nothing to do with her race or gender. The main person to give her grief - and pull off the classic macho ignore the woman's advice, rush in and get hurt move - so far has actually been another black woman.

    The character set-up is actually very much inspired by the Kirk/McCoy/Spock trio - Burnham has Lorca on one shoulder, appealing to the "cold equations - the end justifies the means" part of her nature and Stamets on the other, opposing the abuse of science for war. I think the writers know what they are doing.

    As for the "white Klingon" - the twist is that he's a persecuted minority among his own people (remember the TOS story with the half-white/half-black people?)

    I think one distinguishing factor from "old" Trek - which is a post-Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones thing - is that we're not necessarily being expected to love or hate any of the protagonists.

    Honestly, the main problems I have are: (A) pull a "Red October" crossfade already and let the Klingons speak bloody English. Subtitles are fine when actors understand what they are saying and can put feeling into their words - not when they're talking gibberish. (B) Why the obsession with prequels? Discovery could easily have been set post-Voyager. It just creates problems with canon and anachronistic technology. Its already clear that they're gong to have to push the canon reset button at the end of Discovery.

    Mind you, I'm in the UK and getting it bundled with Netflix... The way it is distributed in the US is what will kill it.

    • (Score: 2) by Taibhsear on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:42PM

      by Taibhsear (1464) on Thursday October 12 2017, @03:42PM (#581174)

      As for the "white Klingon" - the twist is that he's a persecuted minority among his own people (remember the TOS story with the half-white/half-black people?)

      Also the albino Klingon from that DS9 episode "Blood Oath," which I assumed the ST:D character was an homage to.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:20PM (2 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:20PM (#581197)

      Never could work out why they didn't make Archer gay (mind you - all that water polo...)

      Dominic Keating said that canonically nobody has said so, but he certainly played Malcolm as gay. Before Discovery, apparently Trek has never had an officially gay character on it?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @07:29PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @07:29PM (#581303)

        Some people don't consider it canon, but in the last Trek movie ("Beyond"), Sulu has a husband and an adopted daughter. It was a nod to George Takei who is gay, but Takei didn't like Sulu being gay because he always considered Sulu as a heterosexual and that opinion was made to the public.

        Lots of allusions, and even a same-sex kiss between Dax and her former wife on DS9, but I can't think of anything else right now.

      • (Score: 2) by chromas on Thursday October 12 2017, @08:35PM

        by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 12 2017, @08:35PM (#581332) Journal

        played Malcolm as gay

        How does he do that? Is he a method actor?

  • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:09PM (7 children)

    by meustrus (4961) on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:09PM (#581190)

    I've been watching The Orville and not ST:D (mainly because I'm not signing up for CBS All Access), and I'm starting to wonder which one is really pushing social messages after Ep 3: The One Where The Genderless Species Has Females For Some Reason. It was so cringeworthy to see the crew of The Orville 1) have no concept of the Prime Directive, 2) have very little understanding whatsoever of Moclan culture or law despite it being culturally and legally integrated into their federation "Union", 3) share a remarkably human view of gender with a species that was supposed to be genderless, and 4) base their entire anti-surgery side of the arguement on nothing but obvious logical fallacies.

    From what I've heard, at least ST:D does a good job at making social commentary.

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    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:16PM (3 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:16PM (#581195)

      The tone of the show is really jarring. First two episodes were fluffy and lighthearted, 3 and 4 take a hard left turn into serious issues, then 5 is back to less serious.

      That said, I'll continue watching it for now.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:48PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @04:48PM (#581213)

        Other series in Star Trek also had jarring shifts too. For example, the end of season 3 was a Troi's mother visits, then they save a non-corporeal life form, then they barely survive the Borg. Or season 4, where we go from Barclay becomes a super-genius, to dancing around in tights, to Picard charged with treason, to an alien not wanting to commit ritual suicide, to Crusher has a boyfriend. And those are the two examples that immediately come to mind.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @05:31PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @05:31PM (#581231)

        But they basically played off The Union as a bunch of expansionistic assholes pushing their ideology onto everyone they meet.

        Taken from that stance, they are NOT the federation. However the episode with the floating ship where the 'Taken' guy cameo'd as the former captain (who was the 'god' in their local religion) actually did set out that they tried to minimize interference with more primitive cultures, but since they were on a spaceship it was assumed they already knew the basics. Which it turned out, they didn't, although some heretics believed it so.

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:30PM

          by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:30PM (#581268)

          But they basically played off The Union as a bunch of expansionistic assholes pushing their ideology onto everyone they meet.

          Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa.

          expansionistic

          The heck? How could you possibly get that impression? They're not conquering or invading anybody as far as we know. Other than fighting the Krill (or whatever), which we don't really know anything about.

          pushing their ideology

          Well, one or two specific people on a single ship, anyway. As a general rule, have we seen any indication of that as a Union tendency?

          onto everyone they meet

          It's the third episode, god damn! It's happened one time!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:08PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12 2017, @06:08PM (#581254)

      Why would they have a concept of the Prime Directive? You know that is part of that ST universe and not a real thing, right?

      • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Thursday October 12 2017, @08:33PM

        by meustrus (4961) on Thursday October 12 2017, @08:33PM (#581331)

        They don't need to have come to the exact same conclusion as in Trek. But they act as though the very idea had never come up. This is a spacefaring people building an interspecies confederation of some sort, and so far the universe seems to be full of an even larger variety of tech levels than Trek. At some point, someone must have fucked with a primitive species in a galactic-scandal kind of way. I would expect things to have shaken out, either resulting in a Prime Directive philosophy or a We Know Best philosophy.

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    • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday October 13 2017, @07:37AM

      by isostatic (365) on Friday October 13 2017, @07:37AM (#581618) Journal

      But is The Orville really any better?

      I wouldn't know. Discovery is available to over 5 billion people around the world from about 2AM GMT on Monday morning.

      Orville is available to less than 1/10th of that number.

      If they can't be bothered to broadcast it, I can't be bothered to watch it.

  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Thursday October 12 2017, @10:26PM

    by RamiK (1813) on Thursday October 12 2017, @10:26PM (#581391)

    So far, it's:

    Original Star-Trek: Socialist. Lead by explorers and scientists chain-of-command. Explores the universe while sometimes fights against the military-industrial complex (Romulans and Klingons) but pursuing peaceful solutions.

    New Star-Trek: Partially post-scarcity meritocracy (theft is still a motivator for crime as discussed in the prisoners transport so something is rotten somewhere). Lead by military officers conducting secret weapons research. Patrols federation borders while fighting against space Jihadists who hate our freedom.

    And that Elon Musk name drop along with the Wright-brothers suggests certain continuity changes and values that depict a very different future:

    Original Star-Trek: The scientific discovery of the warp drive was by an oddball researcher building a rocket in his backyard. And the proceeding rescue of humanity by the logical and scientific Vulcans from its post-apocalyptic wastes following the resource depletion caused by current capitalism and militarism and the genetically engineered caste-system that collapsed following the deposing of Khan. A Khan, btw, that while a dictator, was leading a quarter of humanity in relative peace and prosperity until he was back-stabbed and forced to flee.

    New Star-Trek: The continues operations and success of the Mars colonization backed by private enterprise and big government. Despot and terrorist Khan that was and is trying to genocide the rest of humanity like some cartoon villain.

    But hey, Discovery does have better production values and acting. Moreover, the news show seems to address what I always criticized the original for: The white-washing of the federation's conflicting interests in research, exploration, expansionism and militarism as well as not doing enough to cover the personal conflicts that would arise when placing soldiers and scientists under the same hierarchical command-structure with such a complicated mission statement.

    Still, the new show is a far-cry from its subversive original that depicted a futuristic socialist utopia at the height of the cold war. While there's still time to go 180 and plot around how the ideal of discovery is in conflict with the increasingly militaristic federation as the Klingon war rages on, it's far more likely we're looking at an Orwellian rewrite in favor of the present political agendas.

    Overall, I'll keep watching it but, like the new Battlestar Galactica, I'm expecting something between light entertainment and industrial SWJ propaganda rather than what Star Trek used to be.

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  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Saturday October 14 2017, @08:40AM

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Saturday October 14 2017, @08:40AM (#582215) Homepage Journal

    I'll be watching The Orville instead.

    I've watched all of The Orville so far. It's excellent. Some great laughs, and excellent (albeit arguably ripped off) plots.

    If the new Star Trek isn't what you're into (let alone you have to subscribe to watch it) then I highly recommend The Orville.

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