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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-if-nobody-showed-up? dept.

Governor Rick Scott (R) has declared a state of emergency in the county where the University of Florida lay, due to a planned speech by Richard Spencer. According to NPR:

When Hurricane Irma was bearing down on Florida last month, Gov. Rick Scott declared a state of emergency. On Monday, he did the same thing in Alachua County, ahead of a speech by white nationalist Richard Spencer at the University of Florida in Gainesville.

"We live in a country where everyone has the right to voice their opinion, however, we have zero tolerance for violence and public safety is always our number one priority," Scott said in a statement. "This executive order is an additional step to ensure that the University of Florida and the entire community is prepared so everyone can stay safe."

"I find that the threat of a potential emergency is imminent," Scott declared in his executive order, noting that Alachua County Sheriff Sadie Darnell had requested the state's assistance. The order will make it easier for various agencies to coordinate a security plan for Thursday's speech at the university.

[...] No campus group invited Spencer to speak, and the university is not hosting or sponsoring the event. Spencer's group, the National Policy Institute, is paying the university $10,564 for facility rental and security.

And it looks like it could get expensive:

The speech and accompanying protests are also a major expense: The university as well as state and local agencies expect to spend more than $500,000 to provide additional security.

And the University of Florida can't demand that Spencer pay the full cost of protecting him, because of a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement.

In that decision, the university explains, "the Court clarified that the government cannot assess a security fee on the speaker based upon the costs of controlling the reaction of potential hostile onlookers or protestors," under legal doctrine known as the "heckler's veto."

Well, that is the cost of free speech in a free country.


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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday October 21 2017, @07:28PM (13 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday October 21 2017, @07:28PM (#585746) Journal

    The majority votes for bigger government. Where's the mystery?

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    La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @05:56AM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @05:56AM (#585880)

    Given that you wrote that government and its associates are deceptively attempting illegal censorship, what do you propose to do about the problem?

    The majority votes for bigger government. Where's the mystery?

    The mystery is how you can reconcile your statement here, that suggests voting to stop illegal government activity doesn't work, with your previous statement [soylentnews.org] that claimed voting was the only answer to the question of what people should do when told to "do something!" to resist.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday October 22 2017, @12:00PM (11 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday October 22 2017, @12:00PM (#585935) Journal

      I never claimed that voting doesn't work. You're just making shit up. You have the government you voted for.

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @07:11PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @07:11PM (#586012)

        Then explain what you meant by "The majority votes for bigger government. Where's the mystery?". The plain language you used indicates that 1. most people vote for bigger and thus more criminal government, and 2. *I* obviously didn't, and therefore voting both does not work for me and also doesn't work to keep government from acting criminally. Did you intend some hidden, coded meaning?

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday October 22 2017, @07:52PM (9 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday October 22 2017, @07:52PM (#586027) Journal

          No. And again you continue to make shit up. I never said voting doesn't work. The government you have shows that it works like a charm. It exists in its present form by the voters' choice. Couldn't be more obvious. This "hidden, coded meaning" thing is entirely in your head, serving as nothing but distraction.

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          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @04:44AM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @04:44AM (#586175)

            It kinda sucks when you have an inconsistent belief and someone points it out to you using your own words bearing your own signature, eh?

            People followed your "do something!" advice [soylentnews.org] and voted out [soylentnews.org] the establishment republicans during the Tea Party revolution a few years ago. What happened? Voting got us another crop of lying, criminal weasels which only served to expand the power and criminality of government.

            Because of that, one of your two assertions are wrong: either voting does NOT work as a means to "do something!" to stop illegal actions by government, or voting "works" but still doesn't do anything to stop illegal government actions. Do you care to re-evaluate your positions?

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday October 23 2017, @05:05AM (7 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday October 23 2017, @05:05AM (#586179) Journal

              No

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @06:57AM (6 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @06:57AM (#586213)

                I thought not, since it seems literally incomprehensible for you to even entertain the idea that you could be wrong - even when you are demonstrably shown to be wrong.

                For most readers, though, it isn't incomprehensible that you are wrong. It is obvious.

                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday October 23 2017, @02:16PM (5 children)

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday October 23 2017, @02:16PM (#586331) Journal

                  Sorry, I'm not wrong. You are, making things up in a rather banal fashion with your typical blame passing. Maybe it can't be helped. I'll never know in my lifetime. Whatever, do what you like. I don't mind the attention.

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                  La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @06:23PM (4 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @06:23PM (#586472)

                    There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

                    Would you like some more rope?

                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday October 23 2017, @10:53PM (3 children)

                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday October 23 2017, @10:53PM (#586629) Journal

                      There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

                      :-) Exactly! Apply that to yourself, enlightenment, and maybe comprehension, shall be yours. Or you can carry on in denial and projection. Do whatever makes you most comfortable.

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                      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 24 2017, @12:27AM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 24 2017, @12:27AM (#586664)

                        I've had more original [soylentnews.org] and honest conversations with cleaning rags

                        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday October 24 2017, @01:02AM (1 child)

                          by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday October 24 2017, @01:02AM (#586670) Journal

                          Yet you choose waste your time on little ol' me, talking some inane jibber jabber that doesn't relate to what I posted. How strange... Your cleaning rags are missing you

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                          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 24 2017, @07:40AM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 24 2017, @07:40AM (#586756)

                            The fact that you choose not to understand when small words are used to show you that your own statements contradict each other - requiring that at least one of your statements be incorrect - does not change the simple demonstrated fact that at least that one of your two conflicting statements is wrong. Using weak, limp-wristed tricks such as calling that which you do not like "jibber jabber" is something I'd expect to encounter in an insulated little child, and one not very bright.

                            I am more interested in your past and present environments than you at this point, ones that allowed and possibly even cultivated the laughably dictatorial mindset you exhibit along with your habit of attempting to deem something ludicrous into reality. My current guess has it being something involving government schooling, possibly a day-care.