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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-if-nobody-showed-up? dept.

Governor Rick Scott (R) has declared a state of emergency in the county where the University of Florida lay, due to a planned speech by Richard Spencer. According to NPR:

When Hurricane Irma was bearing down on Florida last month, Gov. Rick Scott declared a state of emergency. On Monday, he did the same thing in Alachua County, ahead of a speech by white nationalist Richard Spencer at the University of Florida in Gainesville.

"We live in a country where everyone has the right to voice their opinion, however, we have zero tolerance for violence and public safety is always our number one priority," Scott said in a statement. "This executive order is an additional step to ensure that the University of Florida and the entire community is prepared so everyone can stay safe."

"I find that the threat of a potential emergency is imminent," Scott declared in his executive order, noting that Alachua County Sheriff Sadie Darnell had requested the state's assistance. The order will make it easier for various agencies to coordinate a security plan for Thursday's speech at the university.

[...] No campus group invited Spencer to speak, and the university is not hosting or sponsoring the event. Spencer's group, the National Policy Institute, is paying the university $10,564 for facility rental and security.

And it looks like it could get expensive:

The speech and accompanying protests are also a major expense: The university as well as state and local agencies expect to spend more than $500,000 to provide additional security.

And the University of Florida can't demand that Spencer pay the full cost of protecting him, because of a 1992 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement.

In that decision, the university explains, "the Court clarified that the government cannot assess a security fee on the speaker based upon the costs of controlling the reaction of potential hostile onlookers or protestors," under legal doctrine known as the "heckler's veto."

Well, that is the cost of free speech in a free country.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:29PM (39 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:29PM (#584139)

    He's just talking.

    The violence is 100% the fault of the left.

    The Streisand effect is in full force too. I wouldn't have known about this talk without the absurd reactions. I'm thinking about attending. I think I like this guy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:37PM (14 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:37PM (#584147)

      So if you tell me "come on, punch me" over and over and over and over and OVER AND IN MY FACE OVER AND OVER don't cry when you actually get punched.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:39PM (13 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:39PM (#584149)

        What's that? You're saying "come on, punch me"? Well, alright. Where are you?

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:46PM (12 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:46PM (#584155)

          Yup. Suspicions confirmed. Thank you and have a nice life.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Sulla on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:58PM (11 children)

            by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:58PM (#584167) Journal

            Calling everyone and everything Nazi and fasicst reminds me of a town hall meeting McCain had back in 2008. Really disappointed that I was unable to find a link to it.. but it was a long time ago. McCain was talking about something or another, and some guy stood up to ask a question. McCain had some meh answer like he always does, and the guy goes

            Yeah well, you're a NAZI!

            He then threw his arms up in the air like he just scored a touchdown, spun around, and celebrated as he left the room.

            You are pushing so hard and so far to say that everyone resistant to abortion/63 genders/global warming/welfare is a Nazi, and that even questioning these things makes you literally Hitler, that even traditional Democrats are starting to want to be separated from you. Yeah there are Nazis out there, no question about that, the FBI numbers them in the couple thousand. But by calling someone who isn't a Nazi a Nazi, you destroy any chance of them being willing to work with you.

            --
            Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
            • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:09PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:09PM (#584179)

              Your troll filters have given you a dead lead. No one accused anyone of being a Nazi. Not one mention of the word or even hints that anyone is/might be/wants to be/pretends to be a Nazi.

              • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:13PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:13PM (#584183)

                You forget, these people got themselves implanted with tiny radios so they can listen to talk radio 24/7, he probably just forgot to turn it off while posting here.

              • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:15PM (2 children)

                by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:15PM (#584187) Journal

                Original post: Something the left would call a nazi
                Response: You keep acting like a nazi you are going to get punched
                OPR: Fine them punch me
                Response: Ha I knew you were a Nazi

                I presume others read it the same way, if incorrect please inform me of actual breakdown.

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                Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:34PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:34PM (#584203)

                  OP: Look, I'm not 'touching' you! You can't do anything! I dare you to do something about it!
                  Response: Don't keep daring as someone might actually do it
                  OPR: Oh you want me to punch you? where are you?
                  Response: You are a child.
                  You: NAZI!!!!!!

                  Try again Vlad

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:03AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:03AM (#584454)

                    How is that person a child for mocking the stupidity of asserting that someone else is telling others to punch them when they're not actually saying any such thing? If you can interpret someone's words as saying 'Please punch me!' when they didn't say such a thing in one scenario, then you can do it in any scenario. Pointing that out is not childish.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:20PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:20PM (#584190)

              I'm so confused, I thought Obama was the Nazi. And a Commie.

              But now it seems all the Nazis hate Obama. What's an ignorant fool to do?!?

              I'm not even sure if Nazis are the Good Guys(tm) or teh Bad Guys(tm).

            • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:53PM (3 children)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:53PM (#584218) Journal

              Everyone....is a Nazi, and that even questioning these things makes you literally Hitler, that even traditional Democrats are starting to want to be separated from you.

              Republicans would never stoop that low! "Hitlery" and "Feminazi" must just be figments of my imagination....

              *cough* [soylentnews.org]

              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:57PM (2 children)

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:57PM (#584516) Journal

                There's no shortage of inanity of any variety out there. The public discourse has sunk as low as it can go.

                Either let's get on with a shooting civil war, or apocalyptic traditional war that seques into a civil war, or let's stop speaking and acting in such a sophomoric fashion and speak intelligently with forethought and introspection.

                --
                Washington DC delenda est.
                • (Score: 2) by ilsa on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:30PM (1 child)

                  by ilsa (6082) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:30PM (#584642)

                  The public discourse has sunk as low as it can go.

                  I dunno... every time I think that, it somehow manages to still get worse.

                  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:12PM

                    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:12PM (#584670) Journal

                    They've normalized every kind of insult, behavior, and crime with the exceptions of child sexual abuse and cannibalism. Technically it could get worse if they crossed those frontiers, so I'll amend what I wrote from "can" to "shall."

                    --
                    Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:28AM

              by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:28AM (#584473) Homepage Journal

              Everybody says, "oh, Nazis, Nazis." They're not Nazis. They're just proud white people. There was that "tape" that came out. Which, let me tell you, The Atlantic made in a very sneaky way. Not announcing that they were the #FakeNews press. And @RichardBSpencer says, "hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory." Not "heil Hitler." Very, very different. They're not loyal to Hitler, they're loyal to me. And believe me, I'm no Hitler. And they salute with their right arms. By holding out their right arms. Which the Nazis did, but also the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts did it before the Nazis. As president, I rely on former Boy Scouts every single day. And so do the American people. It's amazing how many Boy Scouts we have at the highest level of our great government. Many of my top advisers in the White House were Scouts. And the guy who came up with the salute is the same guy who wrote our Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. 100% American. Not a Nazi. Very much not a Nazi. Just a proud white man. It's very hard being a white man in America. I know, because that's my story. I'm one of the few who made it. My whole life really has been a "no" and I fought through it. It has not been easy for me. It has not been easy for me. I came into Manhattan, I started buying up properties, and I did great. I did a good job. But I was always told that would never work. And why is the word "Nazi" such a bad word anyway? Nobody really asks that, nobody asks why. #MAGA 🇺🇸

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:39PM (1 child)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:39PM (#584148) Journal

      She was just talking in Charlottesville, too. Who's fault was that one?

      • (Score: 2) by SacredSalt on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:40PM

        by SacredSalt (2772) on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:40PM (#584801)

        She was just talking in Charlottesville, too. Who's fault was that one? You can put 95% of the blame for Charlottesville squarely on the hands of: The governor of Virginia, the Virginia State Police, the mayor & vice mayor of Charlottesville(himself a black panther), and the Charlottesville Police Department.

        It would not have been that big of a deal if they had simply cooperated, instituted the security plan everyone had agreed to ahead of time, and actually did their jobs. As it was, the only people with any real protective force that were keeping the peace were "the militia" which had 32 people, 33 if you count one person who was untrained, and unarmed that arrived with them. The police were straight out ordered to stand down, and then ordered to march people into what was basically a setup so that people would be forced to go through 2 different crowds filled with another kind of absolutely horrible, violent, racists on both sides of those forced to leave the rally itself.

        The only people with any moral high ground to stand on there were the militias. Even outnumbered 4000+ to 32 they still kept the peace as best they could for several hours. They were attacked the same as everyone else. Ironically, they are now being sued for what was basically government refusing to do their job. If the police had simply been allowed (or simply did their job anyway), followed the original security plan, and didn't get horribly out of line the UNR rally would have been as peaceful as your average Saturday night concert venue. Maybe 1-3 minor fist fights, the event would have ended, and everyone who would go home in one piece.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:49PM (#584160)

      You're a garbage person happy to see your country burn just to give "leftists" some kind of zinger. Immature and stupid, or you're just another neo Nazi trying to justify your existence somehow.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by mth on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:24PM (5 children)

      by mth (2848) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:24PM (#584193) Homepage

      I am so sick of "the left" being accused of this and "the right" of that. Nothing is going to get solved when people are stuck in us vs them mode.

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by mhajicek on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:54PM (3 children)

        by mhajicek (51) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:54PM (#584220)

        That's the idea.

        --
        The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
        • (Score: 2) by mth on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:15PM (2 children)

          by mth (2848) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:15PM (#584240) Homepage

          So many people are buying into it though. I refuse to believe they're all hired professional trolls.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:15AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:15AM (#584271)

            That's the beauty, it only takes a small presence to influence people's attitudes, then you just let it become "organic". Basically all the people that immediately blame the "other" group are total suckers. Whatever "side" shouldn't matter, corruption is a bipartisan affair. Conservatives and liberals in Florida should all be marching on the capitol demanding the governor end the state of emergency and simply deploy more police during the event. Lock up any rioters, but don't dare touch any innocents.

            It'll take time, but a transparent and accountable government is the only way forward.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by rylyeh on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:23AM

              by rylyeh (6726) <{kadath} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:23AM (#584278)

              I think the 'State of Emergency' is a cheap way to get Florida's national guard to augment the police presence, and get some extra federal money.

              --
              "a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
      • (Score: 1) by Kalas on Tuesday October 24 2017, @06:53PM

        by Kalas (4247) on Tuesday October 24 2017, @06:53PM (#586999)

        Or rather, in the wrong "us vs them" mode. Things could start to be a lot better if the majority would realize that our current government and its corporate and other corrupting influences are their enemy, not any one political party or ideology.
        But a truly united state of public thought is not what anyone in power wants, for in unity we'd quickly realize how hard we're being fucked by those who seek to be our masters.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:25PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:25PM (#584194)

      At these particular events the violence is NOT 100% on one side...it takes two to tango.

      Also, I would say there are more right wingers battering people like Gays, Jews, Muslims around the country than there are left wingers going to their favorite young hitler meeting and beating people up.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:54PM (4 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:54PM (#584219)

        At these particular events the violence is NOT 100% on one side...it takes two to tango.

        So far, the body count has been entirely on the side of those who don't like the fascists, alt-right, or whatever else you want to call them.

        --
        The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:13PM (#584238)
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:11AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:11AM (#584347)

          Really? Please do give us names and links to reputable news sources that back your extraordinary claim. I look forward to your empty reply!

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:43PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:43PM (#584533)

          They have been clubbing people with flag poles and heavy bike locks. It's a wonder nobody has died from the conflict yet, but several of the alt-right have had ended up on the hospital.

          Yep, nobody. The death in Charlottesville was not caused by either side.

          At least we finally have an Antifa dude facing felony charges for assault with a deadly weapon. It ought to be charges for attempted murder. He was bringing a giant U-shaped bike lock down on the heads of multiple people at multiple protests.

          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday October 20 2017, @04:29AM

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday October 20 2017, @04:29AM (#585107) Homepage Journal

            Some helicopters are lemons. They crash for many, many reasons. The spark plugs can come loose. The rotors can come loose. Believe me, I know. I've lost a lot of guys that way. When both rotors fell off the helicopter. Believe me, a helicopter without its rotors is very difficult to fly. The helicopter in Charlottesville was a lemon. It crashed, they repaired it, it crashed again. And two brave law enforcement officers died. They knew what they were getting into. They knew what they signed up for. Some people say, "oh, Heather Heyer, Heather Heyer!" These are foolish people. We lost two brave officers. And I blame both sides. There's blame on both sides. #BlueLivesMatter 🇺🇸

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:38PM (#584208)

      I guess that means you know I'm right, but you still hate me. :-)

      It's prohibited insight, kind of like wrongthink.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:03PM (4 children)

      by digitalaudiorock (688) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:03PM (#584226) Journal

      Who else thinks we sorely need to add "-1 Go Fuck Yourself" moderation here...

    • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:10AM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:10AM (#584315) Journal

      Streisand Effect Level - State of Emergency.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:37AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:37AM (#584446)

      The violence is 100% the fault of the violent people.

      FTFY.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:28PM (#584586)

      Google "Fighting Words".

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Sulla on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:29PM (44 children)

    by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:29PM (#584140) Journal

    The special powers granted to the government by taking this action will allow them to stockpile Boudreaux's Butt Paste with greater efficiency before the event, this will ensure that all those triggered are able to get the medical attention they need.

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    Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:47PM (43 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:47PM (#584156)

      You see your country turning to shit and you make it into some partisan snipe session? Fuck you.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Sulla on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:00PM (42 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:00PM (#584171) Journal

        If you cared you would also be ripping down the statues of Marx. But you aren't, so you don't.

        My justification? No amount of horror is worse than the loss of one mans right to speak. No matter how wrong he or his ideals are, the rights put forth in our constitution are sacred and must be upheld.

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        Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:17PM (27 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:17PM (#584188)

          Oh god your brain is like swiss cheese with propaganda stuck into all the holes. Marx wut? Lol

          I do like your support of freedom of speech, but that is not the problem here. The real problem is a governor declaring a state of emergency over a university talk!!! Fuckit, the guy should telepresence in if it is so dangerous. Not waste probably millions of dollars over it. This is seriously fascist behavior and it is VERY sad you don't understand that. Just wait till those antifa folks have a more friendly president / congress and then you'll be crying foul.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:43PM (26 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:43PM (#584210) Homepage Journal

            I think you need to go look up the word "fascist" then take a long, hard look at which groups today actually fit the definition well.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:17PM (24 children)

              by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:17PM (#584241)

              Actually, "fascist" is a difficult word to define. One reason it's so hard to define that Benito Mussolini, the guy who invented the term, was never quite clear about what it meant himself.

              Some of the usual features are:
              - A merging the power of government and business to control society. The alt-right, as best as I can tell, is perfectly fine with this so long as they're the ones controlling the government and businesses. I mean, Donald Trump is clearly a merging of those two powers in his own person, as an active businessman with direct control of the government.
              - A belief in a shared destiny for a privileged portion of the population based on inborn characteristics. For example, the Nazis talked about and made laws based on the idea that the pure-blooded Germans were justly the ruler of the world solely because they were pure-blooded Germans. From the point of view of a fascist, someone who is in that predestined privileged group who has accomplished absolutely nothing in their life is superior to the most accomplished person outside of that privileged group. Richard Spencer definitely thinks in those kinds of terms: in his case, the privileged group is white and probably male Americans.
              - A willingness and even eagerness to use violence to gain power. This ranges from street fighting to full-scale civil war and international warfare. Based on the number of alt-right people who have showed up with lethal weapons to alt-right rallies and in some cases used those weapons, I think it's safe to say they're comfortable with the idea of using violence to get their way.
              - Mixing politics and religion. Generally speaking, alt-right folks proclaim the superiority of Christianity in general and often Protestantism in particular over other religious viewpoints. The KKK and neo-Nazis definitely use religious symbolism regularly on everything they do.

              So yeah, it doesn't take a lot of squinting to see the likes of Richard Spencer as fascists. Donald Trump is actually much more of a fascist than Spencer seems to be, in every sense of the word.

              --
              The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
              • (Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:30AM (14 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:30AM (#584282) Homepage Journal

                A merging the power of government and business to control society.

                The left is as well. See Obamacare and every socialist and communist ever.

                A belief in a shared destiny for a privileged portion of the population based on inborn characteristics.

                The left fits this far, far better than the right. They even have a race they're uber-keen on blaming for all their woes.

                A willingness and even eagerness to use violence to gain power.

                Antifa, BAMN, BLM, Ferguson...

                Mixing politics and religion.

                Dictating religion or the lack thereof is more accurate, unless you don't consider Stalin or Mao fascists.

                By your own criteria, antifa, BAMN, and BLM fit the bill every bit as well as Spencer. And they are far more numerous than white supremacists.

                --
                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:35AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:35AM (#584356)

                  Holy shit! Do you ever live in a fantasy world. Also, see "whataboutism", you fucking clown.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:44AM (7 children)

                  by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:44AM (#584359)

                  you don't consider Stalin or Mao fascists.

                  I don't: The people who most defined fascism didn't consider Stalin or Mao fascists, neither Stalin nor Mao considered themselves fascists, and their ideology was substantially different from fascism. Those guys were communist dictators.

                  You seem to be confusing "dictator" with "fascist". They aren't the same thing.

                  --
                  The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:11AM (6 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:11AM (#584459) Homepage Journal

                    Which would be a fine job of splitting hairs were it not also a logical fallacy. One does not preclude the other.

                    --
                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:03PM (5 children)

                      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:03PM (#584521) Journal

                      The logical fallacy is yours, here. Saying "You seem to be confusing 'dictator' with 'fascist'. They aren't the same thing." is not the same thing as saying "One precludes the other."

                      --
                      Washington DC delenda est.
                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:59PM (4 children)

                        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:59PM (#584623) Homepage Journal

                        Reread his statement. It certainly reads as such to me.

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                        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:12PM (1 child)

                          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:12PM (#584671)

                          It's really simple: Some fascists are not dictators (e.g. Adolf Hitler was originally elected into power). Some dictators are not fascists (e.g. Pol Pot). Some fascists are dictators (e.g. Franco). You are erasing that second category of people who are dictators but not fascists because you are trying to establish a completely false equivalency between people opposed to fascism, and fascists.

                          Making this equivalency, I might add, is a longstanding tactic of fascists: The Nazis, for instance, worked very hard to portray themselves as the completely necessary bulwark against the ravages of international communism, particularly after the Reichstag Fire.

                          --
                          The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
                        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:19PM (1 child)

                          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:19PM (#584676) Journal

                          Then your reading comprehension is impaired, as you so often like to say of others.

                          Except I don't think your reading comprehension is impaired. Rather, misconstruing your interlocutor's words and intent is your main rhetorical trick. You think you're laying traps to lure everyone into saying something damning, but it doesn't work when you do it. every. time.

                          Change it up. Save the smug tone for when you really have got someone. Else you're like the maroon who can't keep from smirking as you approach the punchline of a joke.

                          --
                          Washington DC delenda est.
                          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:48PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:48PM (#584730)

                            Hey now, who else would tarnish SN so perfectly? Anyone with half a brain eventually sees through TMB's bullshit, might take a few weeks for the examples to pile up but it happens. He is like a mascot for the libertarian / alt-right, leading them towards retarded arguments. Maybe he's not the hero we need, but like the prez he is the hero we deserve. TMB for SN Precedent!

                • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:17PM (4 children)

                  by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:17PM (#584634)

                  Also, with regard to your other points:

                  A merging the power of government and business to control society.

                  The left is as well. See Obamacare and every socialist and communist ever.

                  So the funny thing about Obamacare is that it didn't actually come from the left-wing, at all. It's an idea that came straight out of the right-wing, starting its existence in the Heritage Foundation and first really tried by Republican Mitt Romney when he was governor. One of the greatest hoodwinks pulled by both the Obama administration and the Republicans who opposed him is making what had been the right-wing proposal into the left-wing proposal. The actual left-wing proposal was to say "screw the insurance companies" and go for something akin to the UK's National Health Service, with the more extreme folks aiming for something closer to what Cuba does.

                  As for the socialists and communists, both of them are all about breaking the power of business. The closest the US has ever had to a socialist president, Franklin Roosevelt, had this to say: "We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred." Yeah, real business lover there.

                  A belief in a shared destiny for a privileged portion of the population based on inborn characteristics.

                  The left fits this far, far better than the right. They even have a race they're uber-keen on blaming for all their woes.

                  Who exactly is this privileged portion of the population? And how are they privileged? And remember, you're claiming that the left fits this better than a publicly avowed white supremacist.

                  And seeing as how white people in what is now the US have made significant formal and informal efforts to prevent non-white people from gaining the same power and privilege they have starting no later than the 1600's, I think they have a legitimate complaint. Based on your posting history, I can say with some confidence: You and your ancestors in the US were never enslaved. You and your ancestors were never segregated away from everyone else. You and your ancestors were never lynched by a mob simply for being who you were. You and your ancestors were never prevented from buying a house, and if your family did own a house at any point you got substantial government help to do so. You and your ancestors were never prevented from getting an education by force of arms. You have never been beaten up by cops for a minor traffic violation, and then seen the entire legal system pull together to ensure those cops don't get punished. You have never been unable to find work solely because of your skin color, and never been underpaid for that work for the same reason.

                  A willingness and even eagerness to use violence to gain power.

                  Antifa, BAMN, BLM, Ferguson...

                  1. BLM and Ferguson are basically the same thing.
                  2. BLM has never condoned interpersonal violence. One guy shot and killed some people, the organization quickly denounced him and supported police efforts to take him down.

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                  The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:49PM (3 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:49PM (#584657) Homepage Journal

                    So the funny thing about Obamacare is that it didn't actually come from the left-wing, at all. It's an idea that came straight out of the right-wing...

                    Actually, no, it came straight out of the lobbyists. Not one politician even knew what all it said before voting on it. But since the left passed it, they have to own it.

                    Who exactly is this privileged portion of the population?

                    Two words: protected classes. Equality means either everyone is protected or nobody is. Picking and choosing makes you a bigot.

                    BLM has never condoned interpersonal violence.

                    Right... It's purely a coincidence that everywhere they show up riots happen.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:54PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:54PM (#584744)

                      You just can't handle reality can you? You're a pathetic excuse for an American, and I'm sure just about every WWII veteran would take you to town for your bullshit. Sadly most of them are dead, along with the ideals they fought for. No matter how many times people say they don't condone violence you repeat that "the left" is all about it. No matter how much evidence of violence being worse from "the right" you claim only the left is doing it, and you ignore everything done by the right.

                      Extremists on both sides, yet you only rail on about a single group. Even the murderous car driving fuck was getting some amount of a "pass" on this site. You're a broken record, a sad human being, and I wish this country was free of your ilk. Long live stupidity amirite?

                    • (Score: 2) by chromas on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:25PM (1 child)

                      by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:25PM (#584784) Journal

                      To be fair, blacks were rioting long before BLM was a thing.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:58AM (7 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:58AM (#584305)

                fasces : (noun), a bundle of rods or sticks. Stronger than the sum of the strengths of individual sticks.
                facism : political philosophy based on the idea that combining corporate and government power will result in a stronger, more efficient country.

                The problem with Fascism isn't that the basic idea is so wrong, as that the concentration of power attracts the less savory sort of politician and it devolves into a brutal dictatorship. Much like many other "-isms" the problem is that in the real world people just aren't as nice as is required by the theory.
                Fascism is actually quite a good system if your country is facing a massive external threat that can get everyone working together and you have effective leaders.

                • (Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:04PM (6 children)

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:04PM (#584522) Journal

                  Correction, "facism" means you support the philosophy and beliefs of faces, and generally oppose volumes.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:14PM (5 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:14PM (#584576)

                    This is why we can't have reasonable discourse. The alt right don't plat by the rules. Whether it is intentional or not they often respond with easily verified bullshit, move the goal posts, and straw man the fuck out of everything. They point at failed nor-real-communist countries as if that wins their argument. They are either far removed from reality or they are maliciously obtuse. Didn't know that last one was possible actually.

                    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:58PM (2 children)

                      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:58PM (#584622) Homepage Journal

                      No True Scotsman, eh?

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                      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:42PM (1 child)

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:42PM (#584652) Journal

                        Not really, no. This is something that shows up in game theory, and it's a classic gambit at that: the one who either is, or acts, crazier will win more often, because the more rational party is kept off-balance. Push insanity as if you believe it, and normal people will seriously begin to wonder if their own views are skewed.

                        It's a very simple play. It requires no effort at all, really. It simply requires no morals, to paraphrase Heller. This is what is meant by "gaslighting." And it's happening on a nationwide scale. The day i heard that "reality-based community" thing from one of Chimpy McTortureface's aides was the day i knew this nation had well and truly died.

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                        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:22PM

                      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:22PM (#584677) Journal

                      They are either far removed from reality or they are maliciously obtuse. Didn't know that last one was possible actually.

                      It is. It's the tactic made famous by Colombo, and personified here by Buzzard. Except when watching Colombo we the audience are all in on the joke, and get to share in the hearty laugh at the villain's crestfallen discovery of his error. On SN, nobody is fooled at all, except Buzzard who fools himself into thinking he's fooling us.

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                      Washington DC delenda est.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 20 2017, @11:46AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 20 2017, @11:46AM (#585181)

                      You idiot. He was humorously pointing out my typo in fascism, where I left out the first 's' making it facism.

                      - the ggp AC

              • (Score: 2) by arcz on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:31PM

                by arcz (4501) on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:31PM (#584713) Journal

                1. a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

                Antifa seems pretty fascist.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:09PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:09PM (#584935)

              the word fascist has been twisted, and given an entirely new meaning in mist modern dictionaries.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:26PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:26PM (#584195)

          A man's sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions.... He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience a sense of self-esteem. The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer--because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:40AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:40AM (#584447)

            YES! very good point! Umberto Eco's # 12 on the fascism list:

            12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist
            transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo (which
            implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual
            habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-
            Fascist hero tends to play with weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

            Good that you used the words "surrender" and "conquer", to stress your point.

            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:47PM (1 child)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:47PM (#584728) Journal

              Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

              Hence the fascist tendency of the ammosexual. Eco was a great philosopher, and a not half-bad fiction writer!

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 20 2017, @02:23AM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday October 20 2017, @02:23AM (#585062) Homepage Journal

                Wow, that was some quality bullshit you just spouted there. Gun owners are the least authoritarian people in the nation. You know how you can tell? They have all those guns and nobody has shot you for polluting the gene pool yet.

                --
                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:11AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:11AM (#584329)

          I wondered it that was a thing.
          Hmmm [googleapis.com]

          Have to be more specific [googleapis.com]

          Hey! Looks like I got a hit. Gotta zoom in.
          Nope [googleapis.com]

          Perhaps you could advise me on locations.

          While you're at it, could you link to something that quotes the anti-White Supremacists saying something about the collective ownership of the means of production by The Workers?

          Oh, and the skinheads aren't just racist, they're misogynistic as well.
          Alt Right Leader Says Women Shouldn't Be Allowed To Vote [trofire.com]

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by arcz on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:27PM (1 child)

            by arcz (4501) on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:27PM (#584709) Journal

            Obvious political shill is obvious. Don't quote secondary opinion sources from media outlets from the opposite side to prove a point.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:00PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:00PM (#584971)

              Railing against the reporter doesn't change the fact that Richard Spenser is on the record saying that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

              Seems pretty clear that The Alt-Reich has a bad case of tiny penis--to match their tiny brains.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:33AM (1 child)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:33AM (#584445) Journal

          If you cared you would also be ripping down the statues of Mars. But you aren't, so you don't.

          Hmm, Sulla, you are a profound thinker, and your words contain deep wisdom. Should we be tearing down the statues of the God of War? I think that maybe it is time. He has outlived his usefulness, and all those poor souls that died in his service, well, we should remember them without warshipping Mars. Good post, Sulla!

          • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Friday October 20 2017, @05:52AM

            by Sulla (5173) on Friday October 20 2017, @05:52AM (#585124) Journal

            Good job, you actually made me look.

            --
            Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:58AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:58AM (#584484) Homepage Journal

          True patriots want to preserve & protect all our statues. The statues of Karl Marx, of Robert E. Lee, of Christopher Columbus, of 🎅Santa Claus, of Washington, and Jefferson. All of them. They are our American heritage, our history. We believe we should preserve our history, not tear it down. It has to be stopped. It's heritage. It's what makes us what we are. @RichardBSpencer is a statue protector. He understands that our glorious heritage is the foundation of everything we hope to achieve. We are united by the same enduring beliefs. Merry Christmas! 🇺🇸

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:32PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:32PM (#584593)

          Harpo or Groucho?

          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:14PM (1 child)

            by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:14PM (#584673)

            Given the anti-immigrant feelings of many in the US right now, I'd guess they'd go after Chico.

            --
            The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:20PM

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:20PM (#584894) Homepage Journal

              I think you'll find, should you lower yourself to speak with them, that most of the people you just insulted are concerned more with the legality of immigrants than their mere presence. No stable nation on the planet has a completely open borders policy, for good reason.

              --
              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 2) by arcz on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:22PM

          by arcz (4501) on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:22PM (#584707) Journal

          Isn't that non-sense. IF you care about the country you'd care about law and order which means NOT tearing down statues.
          Really simple concept, lefties don't seem to understand it.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:44PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:44PM (#584151)

    Some neo-nazi asshole comes to speak at a university, and they declare "state of emergency."

    There are good reasons why even the deep-south deep-fried southerners look down on Florida.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:44PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:44PM (#584153)

    This snuck up quicker than expected. Yay free speech zones, yay emergency lockdown for a fucking speech. This country is dead, can we revive it?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:35PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:35PM (#584205)

      No.

      The strident zealots on both sides have burned every bridge and shit in the gene pool.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:54PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @09:54PM (#584165)

    Ya, public safety is their #1 concern unless the public is black, Latino, Puerto Rican, or some other out group. Same old shit, authoritarian tools trying to use reverse psychology to make their violence OK while bringing the hammer down on anything that even might upset their delicate sensibilities. The alt right is filled with adult babies, we can see many of you right here. Thanks a lot for championing the fall of freedom ya morons.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by arcz on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:19PM (3 children)

      by arcz (4501) on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:19PM (#584706) Journal

      The alt-right doesn't consist mostly of people who are racist but rather people upset about minorities getting special treatment.
      While there might be some racists in the alt-right, the alt right are more correctly viewed as internet trolls who amuse themselves by hurting people's feelings. Essentially, the alt-right could be viewed as a logical collective trying to "desensitize" the crybabies in order to normalize offensive speech. The support the alt-right receives is usually due to them being the ones at present on the side of free speech. It's questionable whether that is the long term position of the movement, but if they leave their goal they will probably lose elections.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:56PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:56PM (#584748)

        Sadly I think you believe all that. Ignorance is bliss huh? "Muh oppression!" lol

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by arcz on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:46PM (1 child)

          by arcz (4501) on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:46PM (#584808) Journal

          Exactly how many alt-right do you know? I've at least watch Milo's videos, and I can say with certainty that he is not as described.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:01PM (58 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:01PM (#584172) Journal

    Aristarchus submits these dogwhistle articles, and Soylent publishes them - why?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by krishnoid on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:06PM (4 children)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:06PM (#584176)

      A 'dogwhistle' is an out-of-band (?) signal from one group to another, right? Dumb question -- what (and who) are being signalled here?

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:15PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:15PM (#584186)

        A 'dogwhistle' is an out-of-band (?) signal from one group to another, right? Dumb question -- what (and who) are being signalled here?

        Don't try to confuse him. He saw it somewhere on the Daily KOS.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:24AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:24AM (#584331)

        A 'dogwhistle' is an out-of-band (?) signal

        No. The term refers to encoded messages that only the folks with ears tuned by years of consuming Faux Noise can decipher.

        Here, let Reagan's top advisor, Lee Atwater of South Carolina, explain it to you:
        How dogwhistle politics works [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [wikiquote.org]

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:35AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:35AM (#584337)

          If it's "faux noise", isn't it actually silence? If it's silence, then no one can hear it, which is unlikely to be the point you attempted to make.

          Seems you tried to be too clever by half and experienced the expected result.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:17PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:17PM (#584578)

            Really stretching there, quite a few ways to interpret faux noise with the obvious one being correct. Maybe a two year old with an adult vocabulary would be conf.. Oh I see.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:20PM (#584189)

      It is so fun seeing all the "liberal" phrases being coopted, kinda flattering. I guess we liberprogs really are the smarter ones ;D

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:23PM (15 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:23PM (#584192) Journal

      20 out of the last 30 aristarchus submissions have been rejected.

      If there's something you'd like to see, I would suggest you submit it.

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      [SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:35PM (12 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:35PM (#584204) Journal

        And it is OK, because The Morgataged Buzzwinder is countering by having Mr Plow submit massive submissions about massive boobies. True journalism, just like Soylentils have come to expect from directed bots.

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:47PM (7 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:47PM (#584214) Homepage Journal

          They were each and every one scientific or technological in nature and published within the past month. And I added not one word of bias of my own to any of them. I think you're just a mammophobe.

          --
          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by aristarchus on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:43AM (6 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:43AM (#584367) Journal

            So I take a knee, so to speak, when the eds cave in to an unreconstructed Republican from the Nations, by posting "No Comment" several times, and I get spam modded. The Miniscule Brossard submits tons, literally, tons, of boobie articles, and this is not spam? All we are asking for it for someone to give Richard Spencer a real job so he does not have to resort to such grandstanding to make a living, much as we could make a case for Milo, Ann what's-her-name, and Sarah Not-from-the-Terminator_movie, and all the other conservative grifters. And point out to TMB that he is out of his league. Boobies! I expected a more intellectual rebuttal, one not so obvious.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:16AM (2 children)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:16AM (#584462) Homepage Journal

              and this is not spam?

              Correct. Every last one of those articles were legit, recent science or tech articles without any of my own bias added. I made very certain of it.

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              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:31AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:31AM (#584465)

                Still boobie spam. Kind of the worst kind. For a while I worked in a magazine store. We had a section where the Gents would pick out their selection of "books", as they called them. The church people made the shop corral all the pron into a small area, not visible from outside, which we called "the steam room", lest the ministers be tittilated. In fact, I distinctly remember one day when the head of the Chamber of Commerce came through the door, and I shouted out, "Hey, Mr ***! We just got the latest issue of . . " I stopped in mid-sentence as his wife and children walked through the door, an unusual event. But, not missing a beat, I continued, "of National Geographic! I saved you a copy!" He was very appreciative, especially since what I originally was going to say was, "the latest issue of "Big Boobs and Jugs", a publication of far lower educational value.

                But this is how it goes. TMB has his preferences, which seems to be boobs and fascism. aristarchus has his, which seems to be ancient Greek philosophy, or just philosophy, and anti-fascism. So the question is, does SoylentNews have room for both! And can SoylentNews not discriminate against philosophy, in favor of mammalaries? Only time will tell.

            • (Score: 2) by martyb on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:15PM (2 children)

              by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:15PM (#584577) Journal

              So I take a knee, so to speak, when the eds cave in to an unreconstructed Republican from the Nations, by posting "No Comment" several times, and I get spam modded. The Miniscule Brossard submits tons, literally, tons, of boobie articles, and this is not spam? All we are asking for it for someone to give Richard Spencer a real job so he does not have to resort to such grandstanding to make a living, much as we could make a case for Milo, Ann what's-her-name, and Sarah Not-from-the-Terminator_movie, and all the other conservative grifters. And point out to TMB that he is out of his league. Boobies! I expected a more intellectual rebuttal, one not so obvious.

              Disclaimer: what follows are my personal views and are not to be taken as an official position of SoylentNews.

              Last things first: I started yesterday with the discovery I had no hot water with which to take a shower. I had a very challenging and exhausting day at work. When I finally got home and looked at the story queue, I noticed there were only two stories left — there would be no stories on the site in a few hours unless more submissions were processed. I summoned my last bits of energy and managed to promote 5 submissions to stories. That left us with nothing scheduled after 1011 UTC. Could stay awake no longer and went to bed.

              I woke at 1000 UTC, and even though it was my day off, roused myself enough to look at the story queue only to see that it was unchanged. Still half-asleep, I found 3 stories that I edited and promoted to the site as stories. I went back to bed but was unable to fall back to sleep, so I am still running on empty.

              The Miniscule Brossard submits tons, literally, tons, of boobie articles, and this is not spam?

              Ahem. There were seven submissions. I know not what measurement system was intended, but none that I know of considers seven of anything to be 'literal tons'. Further, even though those stories were submitted and available, I selected none of them for posting to the site this morning. At this juncture they remain exactly that: submissions. Just because something was submitted does not entitle it to posting to the site. That also goes for me: I've had story submissions declined, too.

              History: I was reading slashdot before they even implemented nicks/UIDs. I'd look at that site several times a day. Commented frequently, but rarely submitted stories as I don't recall any of my submissions making it to the main page. The 'corporate overlords' had gone too far, in my estimation, when they referred to us as 'the audience'. As difficult as it was, I participated in the slashcott. Got wind of an alternate site being created, and created an account here at SoylentNews before it went live. Less than a week after we opened up to the world, I came on board as a developer. Established a niche doing QA, which I continue doing to this day. After posting several story corrections on IRC, I suggested it would be easier for the team if they made me an editor so I could fix things directly. So, only two months after SoylentNews come into existence, I became an editor on the site. In that time, I have posted 4300 stories [soylentnews.org]. In my limited, spare time. As a volunteer — nobody at SoylentNews has been paid for their efforts here.

              SoylentNews was founded to provide the community a place to have reasoned discourse and discussion. Generally with a nerd/tech/science perspective, but not exclusively so. I have learned so much reading stories that lie outside of my areas of expertise and interest. I might have nothing to contribute to the discussion, but I am grateful to learn about discoveries in other fields.

              As an editor, I was warned that I would need to develop a thick skin. That filled me with dread, foreboding, and anxiety. But I soldiered on nonetheless. I have made many mistakes along the way, and the community has quite rightly held me to task for them. I owned my mistakes, publicly. I grew and learned a great deal through that process.

              What I look for in a story submission is something that, based on my experience, will be of interest to the community — something that will enlighten — ideally with a tech/science/nerd angle. Reasoned discourse, educated exposition, thought-provoking stories catch my eye. Humor, too! I'm a sucker for a good double entendre or well-crafted pun. If you do not want me to consider your story, be sure to use lots of exclamation points!!1!eleventy! Be shrill and inflammatory!!! Scream and yell!!

              I've read that one course of action for lawyers in court is to follow this legal adage [quoteinvestigator.com]: “When the facts are on your side, pound the facts. When the law is on your side, pound the law. When neither is on you side, pound the table.”

              Table pounding does not impress me. Employing that technique suggests to me the submitter's inability or unwillingness to provide reasoned support for their argument. Having to descend to such artifices only supports the thesis that if one cannot win someone over with the facts, try bludgeoning them with bravado. By way of comparison, I try to remain mindful of this adage [quoteinvestigator.com]: "If you speak when angry, you’ll make the best speech you’ll ever regret."

              tl;dr When bemoaning treatment at the hand of 'the eds', realize that includes the editor who accepted this story, and the other story you complained about in your journal. The one who saw the seven 'boobies submissions' and ignored those. Criticizing someone who has accepted your submissions is not a winning strategy.

              --
              Wit is intellect, dancing.
              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:10PM (1 child)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:10PM (#584701) Journal

                My critique is not aimed at the editors, and especially not at you, martyb!!!!!! (That takyon, on the other hand, sometimes he just . . . ) And we're just trying to catapult the hyperbole here, after all, since there are Nazis speaking at a Florida University. Get some sleep, martyb!

        • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:39AM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:39AM (#584289) Journal

          Actually, there aren't massive submissions about massive boobies. In fact, one of the articles suggests that massive boobies are going out of style. My own preference for something like a natural 36-C seems to be moving up in popularity. And, another article says that women are checking out other women's boobs - it's not just a man thing.

          Did you bother to click the links?

          Or - maybe you're just a mysogenist who hates women and their boobs? Did a big busted woman abuse you during your early life, Ari?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:09AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @06:09AM (#584393)

            Did you bother to click the links?

            No, you perv. I do not come to SoylentNews for pron, and thanks goodness I do not. I am udderly disgusted!!

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:33PM (1 child)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:33PM (#584500) Journal

          Well, you're doing it wrong. Make sure the story you're submitting is a legit geek topic and put your English on the ball at the end of the submission. I have slipped endless juvenile references and asinine quips past the editors that way. :-)

          --
          Washington DC delenda est.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:36PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:36PM (#584206) Journal

        If Ari submitted his articles on dead tree paper, at least there would be something to wrap garbage with. Or fish. Or, something to start a fire with.

        This damned fool Spencer wouldn't even be a thing, if the left weren't busy throwing fuel on the fire. But, that whole "alt-right" thing fits their narrative, so they pump the gasoline as fast as they can.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:39AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:39AM (#584339)

          This damned fool Spencer wouldn't even be a thing, if the left weren't busy throwing fuel on the fire

          Exactly this. Statistically no one buys into the super-authoritarian vision of totalitarianism by someone with the same white skin tone as their own. There are unfortunately plenty of idiots out there willing to be useful.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:45PM (7 children)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @10:45PM (#584212) Homepage Journal

      It's the same tired old Dem agenda. Democrats are obstructionists and very negative for our country. White people & allies are trying to create a safe space for TWO HOURS in #Gainesville. And I submitted a story about it, a very positive story to tell people where to go, how to get tickets, who would be there. A lot, a lot of fantastic information. Very constructive. I'm a builder, I'm always constructing something. In all honesty, I'm not a journalist. But I'm a far better journalist than you'll ever see in the #FakeNews #MSM.

      Anyway, anyone who's white or white-supportive should head for Gainesville. The event is TOMORROW afternoon at the University of Florida. @ThatEliMosley from Identity Evropa, Mike Enoch from the Right Stuff and @RichardBSpencer from Alternative Right are going to speak. The state of emergency is nothing to worry about. They call it an emergency. It's not an emergency. It's just the governor's way of keeping everyone safe. It's going to be very safe, supportive, positive, uplifting and empowering. But if you miss it, @CameronVPadgett is setting up some more events. In Cincinnati and at the University of Michigan.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:05PM (6 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:05PM (#584229) Journal

        WTF? Safe space? So, you have a liberal streak running down your back, you polecat.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:31PM (5 children)

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:31PM (#584250) Homepage Journal

          I guess to some people, a safe space for white people is politically incorrect. #Gainesville is not my event. But I think it's great that white people can have a place to just be themselves for a couple of hours. A safe space where they can just be white. Without anyone telling them to be politically correct. And Governor Scott is bringing law & order. Safety is very important. That's why the great, great American people elected me. I'm doing the travel ban to protect you. Trying to do the travel ban. And I'm building a WALL that will make the U.S.A. a very safe space, the likes of which this world has never seen. Where everyone will be safe. Except the radical Islamic terrorists, criminals, #FakeNews press and immigrants. #MAGA 🇺🇸

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:10AM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:10AM (#584265) Journal

            No man, no woman, of any color, race, religion or culture, needs be "politically correct", at any time, at any place. The term originated in one of the most oppressive governments to have ever existed - the Soviet Union. For an American to adopt such a bullshit term is insane. The concept is contrary to anything and everything the founding fathers stood for. To even attempt to be politically correct, is to kneel down to the real fascists. Fascists want to dictate what we can discuss, and what terms we may use while discussing whatever it is that we are permitted to discuss.

            For starters, "diversity" pretty consistently means, "stab whitey while we can", or, maybe more accurately, "we've got to punish heterosexual white males for being heterosexual white males".

            When you use their terminology, you've already lost. You've thrown the game.

            Fuck political correctness. Give me honest people who can disagree with each other, and still respect each other.

            • (Score: 2) by rylyeh on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:26AM (3 children)

              by rylyeh (6726) <{kadath} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:26AM (#584281)

              FU!

              Individuals are just that. You can play any categorization game - but a person is still unique!

              --
              "a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:43AM (1 child)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:43AM (#584293) Journal

                Isn't that pretty much what I said? People don't have to conform to politically correct expectations. Be yourself, don't be a liberal, don't be a conservative. And, don't be a racist asshole either.

                • (Score: 2) by rylyeh on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:14AM

                  by rylyeh (6726) <{kadath} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:14AM (#584316)

                  My is missing from the first line! I Do Agree with your point.

                  --
                  "a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
              • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:56AM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:56AM (#584372) Journal

                You can play any categorization game - but a person is still unique!

                "Jesus Christ, Supper Star""The Life of Brian" [youtube.com] , where Brian tells them they do not need to follow a Messiah, that they are all individuals, and the crowd responds, in unison, "We are all individuals!" Runaway is the one saying, "I'm not."

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:08PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:08PM (#584233)

      Aristarchus submits these dogwhistle articles, and Soylent publishes them - why?

      To piss you off? It's interesting that there's elements of the far left who insist on "protesting" these events. Traditionally, we've simply mocked ethno-nationalists and their ilk to defeat them. The far-left is completely incapable of doing that because their views are also insane.

      Any liberal who does not disagree with Mr Spencer is illiberal, his political views are odious. Any liberal who doesn't defend his right to speak is illiberal and any liberal who supports the far left attempting to shut him down is illiberal. I use the word "liberal" here, not in the partisan sense but in the sense of the core founding principles of western democracies. Liberalism doesn't mean letting others trample you or going along to get along. It means taking responsibility to secure your personal freedom (classical liberalism) and only then can you work within the rule of law to extend those freedoms to others (social liberalism).

      Concepts like the tyranny of the majority have been turned on their head by identity politics, we now have a situation where minorities are becoming tyrants. That needs addressing and we should all condemn divisive identity politics and collectivism. Only individuals can rightly condemn both the authoritarian views of the alt-right and the authoritarian actions of the alt-left. It's not a partisan issue, these opposing collectives are both consist entirely of illiberal turds.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:56AM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @02:56AM (#584342)

        You need to stop consuming Lamestream Media or any source that uses "left" to mean "non-Republican".

        "Right" mean "Capitalist".
        "Left" means "Anti-Capitalist".

        If you have a reference to anyone at any of these rallies referring to economic ownership models, that would be interesting.
        I haven't come across that.

        ...and there is no "Far Left" in the USA.
        The Left was crushed in the Palmer Raids/The Red Purge after WWI and McCarthyism/The Cold War after WWII.

        .
        Now, on an axis of the political palate [politicalcompass.org] that is 90 degrees from the Economic axis is the Civil Liberties axis.
        At one edge is Apartheid South Africa and the monarchy of Saudi Arabia; at the other edge is a Hippie commune.
        (Do note that The Reds and The Blues are BOTH on the Right-hand side of the economic divide.)

        THAT up/down axis is the one where the White Supremacists/Misogynists are at one extreme, wanting -some- people to have lesser rights.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:19AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:19AM (#584379)

          ...and there is no "Far Left" in the USA.

          Do you live in the USA? Are there not hundreds of thousands of far leftists in the USA and candidates that make it onto some ballots every 4 years?

          Define "no".

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:56AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:56AM (#584483)

            If so, they're very good at hiding.

            My experience is that it's extremely difficult to find someone who gives any thought to going to a workplace where he -doesn't- spend his day making the absentee idle Ownership Class richer--while being treated like a disposable rag.

            ...let alone someone who wants the gov't to take control of ALL private property at gunpoint.

            make it onto some ballots

            Name 2 such candidates.
            Extra points if you link to their "Far Left" platforms.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:37PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:37PM (#584502) Journal

            There are about five far left people remaining in the United States. They're the ones that publish that ridiculous Socialist Worker paper they show up and pass out at every protest, no matter what the theme of the protest is.

            You would have a lot more luck claiming far left politics are a force in France, or Italy. In America it's quasi-extinct.

            --
            Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:37PM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:37PM (#584532) Journal

          You are mistaken. In the US, we define whatever we want defined, however we want to. In the US, people who want to destroy the US define themselves as "left". And, people who want to preserve the American Way of Life define themselves as "right".

          Maybe you learned about the Brits calling us "Yankees", before and during our Revolutionary War. The term was derogatory, or belittling at least. We took that term, and made it our own. Words don't mean what the world presumes them to mean. Word mean whatever we say they mean. That is as American as hot dogs, baseball, apple pie, and Chevrolet.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:01PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:01PM (#584756)

            Nope not bothering with a detailed response, just "Runaway is an idiot" is all that your two paragraphs really said.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:52PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @10:52PM (#584963)

            ...easily summarized in 2 words: Murderous greed.

            Recommended reading: Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States".
            (Not sugar-coated nonsense, like all my textbooks were.)

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:11PM (5 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:11PM (#584237) Journal

      Aristarchus submits these dogwhistle articles, and Soylent publishes them - why?

      The only way aristarchus' position on white supremacists could be considered a dog-whistle would be if he was literally using a dog-whistle to communicate to people because they can't read.

      Those opposed to white supremacists don't pretend they're saying something else.

      I'll show you: I, DeathMonkey, am opposed to white supremacists.

      • (Score: 2) by rylyeh on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:39PM

        by rylyeh (6726) <{kadath} {at} {gmail.com}> on Wednesday October 18 2017, @11:39PM (#584253)

        We will play both ends against the middle, annihilate the center, and overcome!

        Seems a great deal like it's 1968 again, except the war is being fought on our soil.

        --
        "a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:19AM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:19AM (#584276) Journal

        See AC's post, just above your post - https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=22117&page=1&cid=584233#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

        White nationalists are the retarded children that the village tries to ignore. How does one "oppose" retardation?

        But, we have people like Aristarchus who have some kind of agenda, to blow the retardation out of proportion, in hopes of starting a War on Retardation.

        I've noted in the past that much of the liberal left's agenda only feeds the retards. The KKK was reduced to it's lowest level of membership in the 90's, and here they are making a comeback. All because the liberal left openly attacks hetero white males, again and again and again. The left literally feeds the gang mentality that white supremacy relies on.

        • (Score: 2) by rylyeh on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:31AM (1 child)

          by rylyeh (6726) <{kadath} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:31AM (#584283)

          All (any category you please) who continue to think/speak based upon marketing demographics are doomed to FAILURE!

          Abstraction (not curiosity) is what killed the cat.

          Do not take the bait! Whatever you think - that's what you think. Sometimes - factual examination of issues can result in actual compromise!!!

          Sheesh!

          --
          "a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
          • (Score: 2) by arcz on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:41PM

            by arcz (4501) on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:41PM (#584802) Journal

            I would mod +1 insightful but I ran out of mod points.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:37PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:37PM (#584503) Journal

        What are you really saying, DeathMonkey?

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:41AM (13 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:41AM (#584292) Journal

      Aristarchus submits these dogwhistle articles, and Soylent publishes them - why?

      I guess this one had some merit to it. Declaring an emergency just for a speech is pretty weird. He's posted several journal articles complaining about how most of his crap doesn't get past the editors.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:01AM (12 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:01AM (#584309) Journal

        Yeah, I've looked at his journal. A lot of whining and crying that he was disciplined for bad conduct, as well as complaining that his agenda isn't being pushed by Soylent. We've all taken some flack over the past year, to year and a half, about the number of political submissions.

        When does Ari submit anything that is NOT political in nature? Everything he submits is political, and divisive. Not to mention, he denigrates women - https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=22117&page=1&cid=584204#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] Let it be noted that Aristarchus has no use for boobies - but that's to be expected of a Greek male.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:36AM (7 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:36AM (#584320) Journal
          As I see it, aristarchus is committing the one great sin of the court jester - not being funny.
          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:19AM (2 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 19 2017, @05:19AM (#584378) Journal

            I find your lack of faith disturbing, khallow! And your lack of a sense of humor. Here, let me give a dogwhistle for you! "Taxation is Theft!", another? "White lives matter, too, sometimes, even though they mostly are really pathetic and boring and only achieved on the back of white privilege, which some khallows are know to call, "inherited intelligence." Just amazing, truly, truly amazing. Got a racist tarbaby stuck to your backside, khallow! Prove us wrong! Are you not a Republican? Are you not a Libertariantard? Are you, or are you not, a member of the Communist party? At long last, sir, have you no shame? Sir? khallow, I am talking to you. Have you no shame?

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:41PM (3 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 19 2017, @12:41PM (#584509) Journal

            Buzzard is also not funny, so at least there's symmetry [youtu.be].

            --
            Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:06PM (2 children)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 19 2017, @04:06PM (#584628) Homepage Journal

              I'll have you know I absolutely kill with the Harpo Marx "hold my leg" gag, thank you very much.

              --
              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:05PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @07:05PM (#584761)

                I think we're all done believing anything you say. Except jmo, hallow, runaway, vlm, and probably some others. They seem to love you long time.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:12AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @03:12AM (#584348)

          &page=1 is -always- noise in a S/N URL.

          I have seen no difference when a S/N URL contains noupdate=1 and when it doesn't.
          If someone has, please enlighten me.

          I suggest leaving out both from URLs.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:47AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @09:47AM (#584448)

            I have seen no difference when a S/N URL contains noupdate=1 and when it doesn't.

            That's because you are not logged in. If you are logged into an account, any visit without noupdate=1 will have all comments posted so far on the story marked as seen, and greyed out on the next visit. This includes comments you actually have not seen if you happen to be on a view that only shows part of the comments (or just happened to not scroll through the complete page). The noupdate=1 prevents comments from being marked as seen when they haven't been actually seen yet.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:36AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 19 2017, @11:36AM (#584476)

              Ah. That makes sense.
              Thanks for the clarification.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:48PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 19 2017, @01:48PM (#584537) Journal

            FYI, we serve bloated URL's specially for bloated Brits and Americans.

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