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posted by mrpg on Saturday October 21 2017, @04:41PM   Printer-friendly
from the alliterative-animals dept.

Effective immediately, the new release of Ubuntu, 17.10, aka 'Artful Aardvark' has been released!

This release will be supported for 9 months (until 2018) for Long Term Support, stick with release 16.04, instead.

Official flavors (e.g. Kubuntu) are also released.

See the above release notes for a full list of changes and where you can get a copy.

[Full disclosure: the majority of SoylentNews' servers run Ubuntu 16.04 LTS though we have taken steps towards moving to Gentoo.]

Also:

The customized version of GNOME that Ubuntu 17.10 uses is very much in the mould of the (now defunct) Unity desktop, so it won't be to everyone's tastes.

OMGUbuntu


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  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday October 22 2017, @05:44AM (10 children)

    by mhajicek (51) on Sunday October 22 2017, @05:44AM (#585876)

    Since the software is several orders of magnitude more expensive than the OS, that's more like "No, we won't change our Ford to use a Chevy oil filter."

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @08:13PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @08:13PM (#586037)

    If you approach your vendor with "I already have a license and would like to switch that to Linux; I'm willing to pay a small processing fee." and they say "No", then, again, your software vendor sucks.

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday October 22 2017, @08:37PM (8 children)

      by mhajicek (51) on Sunday October 22 2017, @08:37PM (#586045)

      Then all vendors of professional grade CADCAM suck by your definition, as well as most software vendors in general.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @09:42PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 22 2017, @09:42PM (#586065)

        The US Army developed their own CAD software (BRL-CAD) and made that GPL.
        ...so, no.

        There's a bunch of pros who value their freedom and don't chain themselves to closed-source proprietary apps.
        FreeCAD, LibreCAD, OpenSCAD, or QCAD are more examples of FOSS software that does all that they need (blue in the License column). [wikipedia.org]

        At the Linux Mint forum, I used to regularly see posts by (now-retired) architect vrkalak, noting that he was a FOSS-only guy. [google.com]

        I used to read sci.eleectronics.design regularly and there was a contingent of my compatriots who used (FOSS) gEDA or KiCAD.
        Those did all that they needed, making them lots of money while being gratis and libre.

        N.B. At one time, I used (proprietary) Cadsoft EAGLE, but the bastards have since put DRM in that (and they don't mention their evil in the license).
        I've had my fill of proprietary software and the assholes who produce/market/concoct licenses for it.

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday October 22 2017, @09:48PM (6 children)

          by mhajicek (51) on Sunday October 22 2017, @09:48PM (#586069)

          Not one word in that whole message had anything to do with professional grade five axis CAM.

          • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @08:43PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @08:43PM (#586562)

            Yeah, that's right, 5-axis CAD/CAM is THE killer app that is keeping 90% people tied to windows. Sort of related, I tried to get Grandma off of her Win10 box but she had sunk too many resources into her nonlinear hydrodynamic simulations of her tea kettle that she wouldn't dare consider it.

            Fifteen or so years ago, there were a bunch of tech-scared pussies on Slashdot and other places that tried to be all Linux hip, but didn't have the balls to actually try it out. It was always something to the effect of "Man, I'm dying to ditch Windows and run GNU/Linux, but I'm really stuck against my will because I absolutely NEED it to run Quicken, but FOSS all the way!" (Half of the idiots who insisted on "GNU/Linux" were clueless rebels without causes, and the other half were posers who thought adding the "GNU" gave them instant FOSS cred)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @10:31PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 23 2017, @10:31PM (#586618)

              Fifteen or so years ago, there were a bunch of tech-scared pussies on Slashdot and other places that tried to be all Linux

              So, around 2002.
              Quicken of that vintage runs via WINE according to my research. [google.com]
              One wonders what WINE support was like for that at the time.

              I would have linked to CodeWeavers' page but, since the last time I visited them, their pages have taken to requiring JavaScript.
              Even after taking it to archive.li, they're using emojis or a font that I have no interest in installing--rather than plain text, as intelligent people would have used.
              ...and that was after archive.li downloaded a shitload of webfonts.
              Just pathetic.

              idiots [...] posers

              Back then, they also didn't have AlternativeTo. [alternativeto.net]
              {Rodney Dangerfield voice} I tell ya, things were tough back then.

              -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

            • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday October 23 2017, @10:50PM (3 children)

              by mhajicek (51) on Monday October 23 2017, @10:50PM (#586627)

              Am I talking about 90% of users? No. I'm talking about my needs. I need professional grade five axis CAM, or I'm not in business. Said software ONLY exists as Windows software, and no matter how much I might like to I cannot afford to pay a team of developers to redo fourty years of development from scratch and wait for the possibility that they might succeed.

              • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Tuesday October 24 2017, @02:41AM (2 children)

                by DECbot (832) on Tuesday October 24 2017, @02:41AM (#586694) Journal

                Just so you don't think we're a deaf echo chamber, I have the same issue working with multi-axis robots and welding equipment. The utilities and even some of the robots themselves run windows. At least some of the newer welding equipment has migrated away from the Windows binary configuration utilities to providing a HTTP interface. I think the whole 32/64 bit Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10 thing got to them and R&D decided it was easier to build a cross platform website than support all the permutations of Windows. The problem is these companies building industrial tools are very much Windows shops with no interest/experience in embedded Linux or open source. Then only headway I've made is discussing the permissive licensing models like BSD rather than reselling Windows licenses such it is such a PITA.

                As a customer, the other thing you can try is require your vendor to agree to an impossible SLA that only allows for a 2-hour down time while waiting for parts, like what IT often requires. They will tell you it is impossible, because it really is unless you're Dell. The key is the next step, you'll provide the hardware and OS and you will maintain that, but the vendor must supply a version of their application for the platform you choose. You'll have to compromise, and so will they, but that might get you closer to the OS of your choice. If anything, that could at least get you off of Windows and onto something better, like OS2/Warp (I'm looking at you, CX3010 [ebay.com]).

                --
                cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 24 2017, @04:33AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 24 2017, @04:33AM (#586717)

                  Yup. I've said similar things WRT OS support and RFQs for hardware.

                  ...and if you never let your suppliers know that you are not contented with the available choices (an OS that is spyware; an OS that is a malware magnet; an OS that requires you to wait until the 2nd Tuesday of next month for security patches--if then), you can bet that nothing will EVER change for the better.

                  -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

                  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday October 24 2017, @05:32AM

                    by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday October 24 2017, @05:32AM (#586729)

                    I and others have let them know. They don't care. None of them has motivation to do it unless a competitor does it first, and nothing you or I can say will change that. As I said, they're still using DOS code from 1980, with thousands of layers of duct tape on top. They will not rewrite from scratch to appeal to a tiny niche market. If Linux wants to be viable in my field it must run Windows programs period.