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The Democratic National Committee is hiring IT people for these positions:
- Chief Security Officer
- Data Science Lead
- Full-stack Engineer
- IT Help Desk Manager
- IT Systems Administrator
- Product Designer
- Product Director
- Product Manager
The Daily Wire, a conservative blog, posted an e-mail purportedly from Madeleine Leader, the DNC's Data Services Manager, showing her announcing the openings and writing
I personally would prefer that you not forward to cisgender straight while males, since they're already in the majority.
The Daily Wire blogger posted a different screenshot of the e-mail on Twitter.
Also at The Hill
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The DNC is Hiring IT Staff. Allegedly, Cisgendered Straight White Males Need Not Apply.
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Just because the message may never be received does not mean it is
not worth sending.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:42PM (17 children)
The funny thing is that cisgender straight while males are in the majority of males, so a corresponding representation of males in a political party is probably okay, as long as they aren't also assholes.
Methinks the lady is a wee bit confused. It's not any particular variety of gender or sexual identity folk that are needed. What is needed are people who respect other's personal choices.
Sometimes the obvious gets lost in the fog.
(Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:48PM (6 children)
Talk like that will get you ostracized by the left nowadays. See Apple's diversity officer's recent statement and next-day retraction if you doubt me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:52PM (5 children)
F the left. And while I'm at it, F the right, too.
My issues are based first on personal liberty, and second on compassion. Neither of the R/L polarizations works for me at all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:55PM (1 child)
Because, like the Giants and the Raider nation, there are only two teams you can root for, unless you want everybody else ganging up on you.
Rah Rah, AmeriCA!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:11PM
Fuck the Democrats. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the Raiders. If you think that way you are part of the problem.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:56PM
Wholeheartedly agreed. But I mean it is a DNC position, so...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:45PM (1 child)
Compassion? Invite families of illegals and African Muslim "refugees" into your home and see what happens. Of course, I'd warn against it if you want your body to stay in one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @11:40PM
What does this have to do with Danes?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:16PM
But the DNC retards will keep blaming other people for their losses. Maybe the Russians again.
You don't have to do a Trump and tell lies nonstop. But you need to win. Shit like this wins you votes that you already have in your pocket. Pointless.
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:34PM (8 children)
What is needed is someone who knows what they're doing. After more than 25 years in IT I've come to realize you really only need the following 3 things to succeed:
Know what you're doing: You might be able to fake it at first, but when you get hacked, everyone will find out you're incompetent.
Be reasonable: Companies pay a lot of money to IT contractors/employees even though there's no certifications required to have the job b/c it's an area of expertise that few people really understand. If you show you're reasonable you have a better chance of not only getting the client but retaining them for the long haul.
Be discreet: You have to be able to unsee things in order to gain (and retain) the trust of your client.
That's really all it takes to be successful in this field. "Respect" for other's choices shouldn't have anything to do w/ who gets hired.
Ever had a belch so satisfying you have to blow your nose afterward?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:57PM (5 children)
Well, if you don't respect your client's/employer's choice of Windows as operating system, I predict that you'll not keep that job for long. ;-)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:11PM (4 children)
Here we see the fundamental flaw in the liberal argument in its most refined form. Respect is not and should not be guaranteed anyone for anything. Tolerance is all you're entitled to. As in "I had to tolerate this guy who smelled like he shit himself on the bus to work today.". There is no amount of implied respect in the definition of "tolerance".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:45PM (1 child)
So I don't need to respect your rights, but only tolerate them? Same with your opinions?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:57PM
Yup. Respect must be earned.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03 2017, @03:27AM (1 child)
I'm truly sorry for your IBS.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 03 2017, @03:49AM
Wasn't IBS. I had refried beans with lots of jalapenos for lunch. I had to spice it up mid-meal with a little bacon because it was brought to my attention that it qualified as vegan.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @07:52PM (1 child)
oh and it has helped me to be 'the only hot guy in IT' when it came to getting good feedback from various females (and some males) in other parts of the company that I did projects with.
although by acting unreasonable while the discreetly knowing what I was doing, it sure made penetration testing a lot more fun
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03 2017, @10:26AM
'the only hot guy in IT'
Speaking from experience here. When you hear this phrase, it's time to either start dressing yourself even more unattractively, or to start looking for a new job. Best do both, simultaneously.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:47PM (6 children)
How about hiring the best candidates for the jobs who actually know something about IT security? Hiring people for reasons other than their actual qualifications is stupid, especially for IT positions.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:52PM
Exactly what I was thinking. All my years of experience make me a great candidate, but I'm cisgender straight while male, so fuck me right? Who are the ones discriminating again?
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:53PM
It is probably better for them to learn the hard way. Choose entirely based on need with no regard for merit and watch as they get burned again.
Sadly i doubt they will learn their lesson and will instead blame the closest unrelated male janitor they can find.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @02:54PM (1 child)
I just pick the best person for the job. Whether the job is a waitress or my chief of staff. Very happy with my choices!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:01PM
But... Diversity laws!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:08PM
But then they won't be able to blame their lack of security next time the lose to the second-worst candidate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @11:11PM
You mean an MA in music isn't suitable qualification for a Chief Security Officer? But if we hire her we get SJW brownie points for female c-level exec. And she can play piano at Board dinners. What could possibly go wrong.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Entropy on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:04PM (1 child)
As long as you're racist against white, and sexist against male. I'm pretty tired of the rampant racism these days, the majority of it being re-branded racism under a different more PC name with some nonsense excuse behind it like "Oh, it's OK to discriminate against white people because of white privilege." If you want to create a lot of genuine racism, this is surely a great way to do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:25PM
That's partially true for the Blue team, but often when they are yelling that "white people", "white men", "Americans", or "the privileged" are ruining things, they usually are using those terms to refer to the Red team or Libertarians.
When white people from the Blue team say, "white people are destroying the country", they are not referring to themselves or the other white people on the Blue team.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:20PM
Aaaah come on! This is hilarious. When the phone app, javascript, and student loan financing bubbles burst I'm going to be so god damned smug. All day, every day.
(Score: 5, Informative) by epitaxial on Thursday November 02 2017, @03:22PM (11 children)
They just violated the EOE act.
(Score: 2) by aclarke on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:17PM
Yeah, putting something like this in writing is just foolish. It shows such poor judgement. If this is what she wanted, she should have inferred it in a conversation, not put it in writing.
To be clear, I'm not in favour of the opinion to start with, but really it amazes me how some people get into positions of authority with their utter lack of clue. Especially in a political organisation.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:27PM (1 child)
This. Discrimination on the basis of race or gender is illegal. Any white male who is qualified, but rejected for the job, now has a solid legal basis for a lawsuit. Idiots.
The DNC is virtue-signalling so hard that they will succeed in alienating essentially their entire base. I mean, once they eliminate all the cisgendered white males, they'll have to start eliminating the cisgendered white females. Then all whites. Then the Asians. Then the Hispanics. Pretty soon their only remaining consituency will be transgendered black females.
Let's face it: they didn't run Bernie at least partially because he's a white male. It won't be any different in 2020 - they'll want a woman or a black - preferably both. Qualifications will be secondary. Unless they accidentally select a qualified candidate, they will lose again. Probably to Trump again.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03 2017, @10:23AM
And then just when the MSM officially counts them out of the running, 4chan will discover their instagram feeds, rocketing them to socmed stardom and then to the Presidency!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:10PM (7 children)
While the Democrats might be discriminating; those God Fearing™ Republicans would never do such a thing.
The Republicans under Trump's administration actually embrace diversity:
* straight white christian men with black hair
* straight white christian men with brown hair
* straight white christian men with gray hair
* straight white christian men with no hair
* straight white christian men who are tall
* straight white christian men who are short
* straight white christian men with blue eyes
* straight white christian men with brown eyes
* straight white christian men who are rich
* straight white christian men who are richer
* . . . etc
For some odd reason all scientific instruments searching for intelligent life are pointed away from Earth.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:59PM (6 children)
The Chief of Staff actually said we could have avoided the Civil War by compromising on slavery.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:43PM (5 children)
Sometimes the truth hurts. It isn't a question on whether or not allowing slavery to continue would have maintained the status quo longer, the question is whether it was preferable to have a war if and end to slavery was part of the victory. I don't recall Kelly saying that we should have allowed slavery to continue in exchange for not having a war, he just said that had we then the war would have been postponed.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday November 02 2017, @07:19PM (3 children)
Why postponed and not avoided entirely? I think there's some historical nuances I'm missing here.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @07:29PM (2 children)
The war was about states rights not slavery. The states rights issue was related to slavery, but slavery wasn't the direct cause of the war. Eventually there may have been a states rights issue and the war would have been then.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday November 02 2017, @07:57PM (1 child)
The issue was about slavery. No matter what, the whole problem and division would have come up again. And again. For as long as slavery continued to exist. Or until we decided that slavery was really and truly acceptable. God forbid.
There may be other states rights issues unrelated to slavery. But I think mostly, states rights, were a rationalization for slavery, IMO. I could be wrong. But slavery was a huge economic issue -- on the backs of the slaves whose lives were ruined by capturing and enslaving them. It would be only fair to brutally enslave everyone who supports such action.
For some odd reason all scientific instruments searching for intelligent life are pointed away from Earth.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday November 02 2017, @08:09PM
There were some problems regarding tariffs. High tariffs protected the north and low protected the south (might be backwards). There had been conflicts between the states leading up to the civil war over this. Ultimately it was the slavery issue that caused the first batch of states to leave, although Virginia only decided to leave when Lincoln told them to raise three militias and send them south to quell the rebellion. Virginia's house leaned on the union side even after the first batch left, being told to raise troops against their fellow man is what drove them over the edge.
I would argue that for the deep south the issue was slavery, but for the middle states it was more about their soverignty. Maryland had desired to leave along with virginia but there were already federal troops occupying them. Whenever I think about the civil war I think of virginia's fight for soverignty. Until now I didnt realize most others think im talking Georgia or Alabama.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @07:39PM
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/31/john-kelly-calls-robert-e-lee-honorable-and-ta-nehisi-coates-schools-him/ [salon.com]
(Score: 4, Funny) by Bot on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:02PM (2 children)
> cisgender straight while males
while males do ... # what is this i don't even
Account abandoned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:04PM
No, it's entirely correct. The "while males" refers to the fact that they may change their gender; only while they are males you should not forward the mail to them, as soon as they stop being males, you are allowed to forward it.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 02 2017, @08:09PM
> cisgender straight while males
cisgender straight whiny [grammarly.com] males
cisgender straight whining males
cisgender straight whimpering males
cisgender straight whacked males
cisgender straight whacking males
cisgender straight weird males
cisgender straight weakly males
cisgender straight whitty males
cisgender straight wild males
cisgender straight wiley males
cisgender straight wincing males
cisgender straight witty males
cisgender straight wizard males
For some odd reason all scientific instruments searching for intelligent life are pointed away from Earth.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by idiot_king on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:32PM (14 children)
I realize I'm going to get a lot of hate on here from saying what I'm about to say, but that's because most of you don't have to go through what I go through on a day-to-day basis.
Imagine a time and place where skin color and what's in your pants determine, with high statistical accuracy, exactly how successful or unsuccessful you may ever be. Imagine that the color of your skin marks you as a target not just by police, but as nonexistent by businessmen and less desirable by women. Imagine walking around all day, seeing people like Obama criticized for essentially yawning at the wrong time and Trump being praised for calling undocumented citizens "rapists and murderers," and not just being praised but being elected essentially by the entire groups of people who consider you a second-class citizen or even want you dead for the fact you were born the wrong skin color. I know it's hard to fathom, but that is the world both you and I inhabit. It's real. And I live it.
And yet, there is a group of people who say "We reject the status quo and want to give you a chance." And they're the demons? The ones who want to help people like me because I'm the wrong color? The ones who want to give me a leg up after centuries of persecution that persist to this day? If your child was bullied his entire childhood and the teachers decided to help him out a bit with his homework or help him socialize a bit, and all the kids that spent their entire lives so far bullying the hell out of your child decided to cry "Foul! You can't help him, that's unfair!" What would you tell those bullies? "Oh, you're right, my child doesn't need any help, he just needs to pull himself up by the bootstraps, and your bullying has had no impact on him whatsoever!" Would that really be your response?
They're doing the right thing despite whatever the usual bigots on here would say. They're making a difference based on historical fact. That's more than a Republican ever, or will ever, do for me and my kind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:45PM
So ONLY "people like you" should be helped? Thats what I get from your statement.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:52PM (2 children)
Look, man, you either have absolute fairness (equality) in the law or you have privileged groups. There is zero middle ground. I'm for equality. Show me legal flaws, I'm happy to help correct them. But not by granting privilege to one group over any others. That is not how you get equality; that is how you get bigger problems than you already have.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:07PM (1 child)
Wait, DNC emails are now the law?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:29PM
Hiring based on race/gender is most certainly illegal, yes.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:54PM
You'll be okay, Indio.
Just keep voting Democrat, milking Affirmative Action and other "diversity" initiatives, be the good little token show-pet of your employers' photo shoots, have lots of anchor-babies, and refuse to learn English; and be sure to call anybody who disagrees with you a "racist."
It's worked so far for millions of others, it should work for you as well.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:56PM
Are you a fan of Justice Clarence Thomas?
He is, by the way, the only person on the court who is not a native English speaker. He got bullied every time he opened his mouth.
He's also a Catholic. That'll get you bullied by many protestants, being called a papist or even a non-Christian. It'll also get you bullied, obviously, by liberal atheists.
Are you a fan of Diamond and Silk perhaps? They are women of color. In case you don't know: https://www.diamondandsilkinc.com/ [diamondandsilkinc.com]
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:50PM (3 children)
You need to go out more. Or probably visit reddit once every month. Or read any English newspaper that is also read outside of America. Then you will start imagining a world where Trump is cticized for essentially having a bad haircut while Obama being praised for bombing brown people in sovereign countries with impunity and without due process or declaring war.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:03PM (2 children)
While your points are solid, they're not relevant to his experiences in the nation he lives in. Myself, I think he's looking at the nation through shit-colored glasses that he's been sold by the DNC but that's another matter entirely as well. This is more of a "how do you solve it" thread.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:47PM (1 child)
My point was that our experiences are not a solid metric to measure reality. I am not stopping him/her of changing the world, just pointing out that the world is not as it appears.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @09:06PM
Ahh, fair nuff then.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @08:15PM (1 child)
It's shocking, simply shocking, that someone who brands himself/herself idiot_king would write something so idiotic. Tell me idiot_king, what sort of suffering did you endure through all those centuries of persecution?
I thought so.
Think about this. Every news media outlet in the country would be having a field day for months if the RNC send an email saying don't pass job this description along to black or queer applicants.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @08:51PM
Speaking of idiots... while I don't agree that the job listing is good in any way your clueless "what sort of suffering did you endure through all those centuries of persecution?" is the biggest part of the problem. It has required video evidence for society to recognize that oppression of minorities is a standard thing, even out here in super liberal California!
If you don't want affirmative action or other such policies then you need to stand against prejudice everywhere, not only when it impacts YOU.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03 2017, @03:30AM
"I'll have those niggers voting Democrat for 100 years"
- KKK members who you like so much.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 03 2017, @10:19AM
Fuck you.
--Booker T. Washington, Republican
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:39PM
The BBC has reached that point too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817609/BBC-sacked-white-man-Radio-4-comic-told-need-women-minorities.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36443113
Racism, after going rather firmly out of fashion for a bit last century, is suddenly coming back with a vengeance, and it's coming back from both sides. Being racist and proud of it is the one thing the SocJus and Alt-Right lunatics all seem to agree on.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @04:42PM
American Democrats. Everything thats wrong with political correctness.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:49PM (1 child)
We find "cis" and "cisgender" to be offensive. We wish to be referred to as "normal" thank you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:10PM
Normies get out
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Revek on Thursday November 02 2017, @05:54PM (2 children)
Or traditionally gendered. Why are we letting a fringe pick these names.
This page was generated by a Swarm of Roaming Elephants
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:11PM
Because you are privileged cis-scum.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday November 03 2017, @01:07AM
Because it's a welldefined and timeless term. In 30 years time, traditional gendered will include the nowadays fringe.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by meustrus on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:15PM
Is anybody here surprised? This is about as surprising to me as if the RNC had the same job openings, but didn't post them anywhere and got them filled with the family members of powerful RNC members. Neither represents what every voter in those parties would do.
And yeah, if you get butthurt about this then you probably weren't going to work for the DNC anyway.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @06:52PM
Just another salvo in the bullshit wars. As evidenced by the hysterics here it worked quite well, nailed "muh oppression" right to the wall.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 02 2017, @08:44PM (1 child)
https://www.snopes.com/2017/11/02/dnc-white-males/ [snopes.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 02 2017, @09:10PM
One part of the DNC confirming it and another not giving a response makes it Fake News? You should try out for the Olympics, my friend. Those are some epic mental gymnastics.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Techwolf on Friday November 03 2017, @02:40AM (1 child)
I do not think any male want the "cisgender" label attached to them. I defentelly do not want that bad label.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday November 03 2017, @01:17PM
I prefer parsimony, too. "male" and "female" cover 99% of all cases. Playing semantic games to make those seem unusual, edge cases is transparent and silly.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday November 03 2017, @01:27PM
Say what you want about President Trump, but his accession to the Whitehouse has really blown the lid off a lot of sacred cows. The NFL, Hollywood, the media, the RNC, and now the DNC.
I used to take it as an article of faith that the defining quality of the RNC was racism, and that one thing the DNC had going for it was its desire to get rid of racism. Since Trump has been president, it has become clear to me the DNC is just as racist as the RNC. The only difference is its preferred flavor of racism.
Similarly sexism. I had taken it for granted that Republicans were sexist, and that Democrats were not. But again, it is merely that their sexism is a different flavor. (I have to give the nod to "The Red Pill" for changing my perspective on that one).
I don't know if any swamps are being drained, but it certainly seems like we're having to take a long, hard look in the mirror and confront what's really been going on. I hope good can come of it.
Washington DC delenda est.