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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday December 05 2017, @01:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the vid-off dept.

Vid.me has announced that they are shutting down on December 15th 2017, saying that they could not find a path to sustainability.

This news should be of concern as content creators have been getting increasingly frustrated with Youtube's algorithms that demonetize their videos and this means they have one less alternative to turn towards.


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  • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday December 05 2017, @04:36PM (10 children)

    by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday December 05 2017, @04:36PM (#605694) Journal

    If ISP connections were really just dumb pipes with synchronous upload/download bandwidth

    Assuming that by "synchronous" you mean "symmetric":

    The world's population is twice as big as the IPv4 address space. This means there must be fewer connections than human beings. Though a few rich countries may have as many IPv4 addresses as residents, the Internet as a whole doesn't, and a lot of users end up stuck behind a carrier-grade network address translation (CGNAT) layer operated by their ISP.

    Even if we were to assume a flag day sunset of IPv4 on the public Internet, the physical layer has for decades been asymmetric, especially over a wireless last mile such as satellite or cellular. Please specify what private entity will foot the bill for the transition to a symmetric layer 1.

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2017, @07:38PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2017, @07:38PM (#605774)

    Because of FCC limitations on EMF output between residential and commercial connection points.

    Originally 33.6+ modems and later ADSL connections, where due to the copper and the electrical transmission characteristics, a higher frequency/power signal could be transmitted from the Branch Exchange (since it was in a commercial/industrial zone and less concerned/more insulated with regards to RF interference) than within a residential zone, allowing the exchange to provide more data over the same line as the residential link could. This is why residential modem connections to each other capped out at 33.6+bis rather than at the 52-56k like most modems advertised as their speed rating. ADSL, being based on similiar technology but at frequencies outside of the normal voice band had similiar issues, which is why SDSL connections were always at lower rated speeds than an ADSL connection.

    As a result of this ISPs started providing primarily asymmetric connections and using it as marketing that only business connections or ultra-high end expensive residential plans could be symmetric, when in reality it was a technical restriction with some technologies which got coopted as a marketing restriction to better monetize the sheeple who were now clamoring for internet connections en-masse and not paying attention to the fine print of their telephone/cable/ISP contracts.

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday December 05 2017, @09:48PM (4 children)

      by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday December 05 2017, @09:48PM (#605838) Journal

      The FCC-imposed 33.6 kbps uplink limit on v.90 dial-up explains ratios of downstream rate to upstream rate on the order of 2:1. But what explains acceptance of ADSL ratios greater than 2:1?

      • (Score: 2) by jdccdevel on Tuesday December 05 2017, @11:58PM (3 children)

        by jdccdevel (1329) on Tuesday December 05 2017, @11:58PM (#605899) Journal

        Time Divsion Duplexing (TDD) [wikipedia.org]
        Frequency Division Duplexing (FDD) [wikipedia.org]
        Consumer demand for Download vs Upload data (dictating the division for the two above)
        and physics [wikipedia.org].

        • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday December 06 2017, @03:51AM (2 children)

          by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday December 06 2017, @03:51AM (#605980) Journal

          Consumer demand for Download vs Upload data (dictating the division for the two above)

          Again, what causes a demand ratio in excess of 2:1?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @01:45PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @01:45PM (#606784)

            Most people don't run servers at home.

            • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday December 19 2017, @01:14AM

              by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday December 19 2017, @01:14AM (#611664) Journal

              Why is this, other than that home ISPs ban it? And if you claim that home ISPs banning it is reason enough, you have begged the question.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by NotSanguine on Tuesday December 05 2017, @08:40PM (3 children)

    by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Tuesday December 05 2017, @08:40PM (#605802) Homepage Journal

    The world's population is twice as big as the IPv4 address space. This means there must be fewer connections than human beings. Though a few rich countries may have as many IPv4 addresses as residents, the Internet as a whole doesn't, and a lot of users end up stuck behind a carrier-grade network address translation (CGNAT) layer operated by their ISP.

    A very good point. NAT has helped significantly with that, but it reached he point a number of years ago where public IPv4 addresses have all been assigned. CIDR has helped with allocation issues, although there's still significant waste in the Class A and Class B spaces.

    Lucky for us, there's this brand spanking new thing [ietf.org] that might help. Once they work out the kinks [ietf.org], perhaps it might be useful someday. Who knows, maybe it might even be a standard [internetsociety.org] someday.

    Even if we were to assume a flag day sunset of IPv4 on the public Internet, the physical layer has for decades been asymmetric, especially over a wireless last mile such as satellite or cellular. Please specify what private entity will foot the bill for the transition to a symmetric layer 1.

    The issues with asymmetric upload/download were, at one time, issues with the physical infrastructure, as borne out by the DOCSIS 1 and 2 specs, as well as ADSL. However, with DOCSIS 3.0 (another brand new thing -- it's specs were released only 12 years ago -- a blink of an eye compared to that other thing I referenced above) and the rapidly falling costs of fiber deployments, really the only thing keeping us from having high-speed symmetrical internet links is the unwillingness of the ISPs to spend that US$400 Billion [soylentnews.org] we gave them on actually building out infrastructure. Apparently, they'd rather spend it buying politicians to block any competition.

    As for who should pay? The same people who pay for sewers and roads and police and fire departments. Internet connectivity is part of our critical infrastructure at this point, and will only become more critical moving forward.

    Personally (and I've posted about this many, many times), I believe that the most cost effective and efficient way (as do the ISPs, or they wouldn't be buying state and local legislators trying to stop it) to provide "last mile" services is to have a utility build and maintain last-mile connections, and contract with ISPs to compete for their customers on price, reliability and features.

    For new deployments, that infrastructure, like sewers and other public services should be owned and managed by non-profit, quasi-public (somtimes referred to as public-benefit), or private corporations that focus specifically on providing last-mile services.

    For existing deployments, the Telecommuinications Act of 1996 [wikipedia.org] is quite clear, incumbents (LECs [wikipedia.org], specifically, but this should be expanded to include cable providers as well, since they're in exactly the same position) are required to provide access to rights-of-way, reciprocal compensation and interconnection for competitive offerings.

    This mechanism is currently used in many places for the electricity, with competing energy providers selling power over the local monopoly's infrastructure.

    This isn't as hard as you make it out to be, nor would it be so unprofitable as to drive any of these guys out of business.

    Is it a slam dunk? No. Would it increase individual liberty? Definitely. And if our state and local governments weren't drowning in a river of filthy lucre from the incumbent network providers, we might get it.

    In places where the greedy fucks have been thwarted, municipalities have successfully implemented this model and provide their residents with inexpensive, high-speed, symmetrical connections.

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    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday December 05 2017, @09:52PM (2 children)

      by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday December 05 2017, @09:52PM (#605843) Journal

      And if our state and local governments weren't drowning in a river of filthy lucre from the incumbent network providers

      So how would you recommend go about ending that without risking that the legislation or regulation violate the U.S. constitutional guarantee of freedom to hire someone to speak on your behalf?

      • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday December 05 2017, @10:23PM (1 child)

        by NotSanguine (285) <{NotSanguine} {at} {SoylentNews.Org}> on Tuesday December 05 2017, @10:23PM (#605855) Homepage Journal

        And if our state and local governments weren't drowning in a river of filthy lucre from the incumbent network providers

        So how would you recommend go about ending that without risking that the legislation or regulation violate the U.S. constitutional guarantee of freedom to hire someone to speak on your behalf?

        I'm not sure which constitutional guarantee you're talking about. Please. Do elucidate!

        As far as I'm aware, elected officials have already been hired to speak for their constituents. Hiring one to serve the agenda of an individual, group or corporation is popularly referred to as bribery [wikipedia.org].

        Is that the 1.5th Amendment? "Congress shall make no law abridging the right of corporations and the monied classes to buy elected officials."

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        No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Pino P on Tuesday December 05 2017, @10:37PM

          by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday December 05 2017, @10:37PM (#605859) Journal

          I'm not sure which constitutional guarantee you're talking about. Please. Do elucidate!

          The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

          Lobbying simply means hiring someone "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" on your behalf. Campaign contributions are the same thing as hiring the mainstream media to speak in favor of a particular candidate, because ad spending forms a major part of a campaign budget. This isn't illegal, nor is forming an independent expenditures only committee [wikipedia.org] for the purpose of speaking in favor of a candidate.

          bribery

          You linked this word to a Wikipedia article stating that campaign contributions are not considered illegal bribery in my and SN's home country:

          Politicians receive campaign contributions and other payoffs from powerful corporations, organizations or individuals in return for making choices in the interests of those parties, or in anticipation of favorable policy, also referred to as lobbying. This is not illegal in the United States and forms a major part of campaign finance [...]. Convictions for this form of bribery are easier to obtain with hard evidence, that is a specific amount of money linked to a specific action by the bribed.