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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday December 05 2017, @01:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the vid-off dept.

Vid.me has announced that they are shutting down on December 15th 2017, saying that they could not find a path to sustainability.

This news should be of concern as content creators have been getting increasingly frustrated with Youtube's algorithms that demonetize their videos and this means they have one less alternative to turn towards.


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  • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday December 05 2017, @09:59PM (3 children)

    by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday December 05 2017, @09:59PM (#605846) Journal

    The IndieWeb guys have it right: the web is here to stay, and it's pretty great. It doesn't need replacing, we just need to do it right.

    So then how should we go about convincing the non-technical general public of the benefits of spending $135 per household per year, comprising $15 per year for a domain and $10 per month for a VPS?

    Servers aren't the problem. Being tied to one company's platform, is the problem.

    This is true whether "one company's platform" is YouTube/Facebook or even just a file hosting service like Amazon S3.

    It's also true of advertising aggregators. In order to get away from AdSense, YouTube Partner Program, and the like, each household that runs its own website would have to find the time to sell its ad space to advertisers. How can that be made practical?

    Another point against peer-to-peer: distribution of your video, is your problem, not mine.

    Even if distribution of Pino P's video is Pino P's problem, whose problem is distribution of Wootery's video?

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  • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Wednesday December 06 2017, @10:27AM (2 children)

    by Wootery (2341) on Wednesday December 06 2017, @10:27AM (#606069)

    So then how should we go about convincing the non-technical general public of the benefits of spending $135 per household per year, comprising $15 per year for a domain and $10 per month for a VPS?

    Eh? Weren't we talking about video hosting lock-in? We don't need LBRY, we need more diversity of video-hosting platforms, and good FOSS server-side software so those who want to can host streaming videos independently. There's no need for everyone to maintain their own server or domain.

    This is what the web is meant to be like: open to competing hosts that can give rise to healthy competition and an ecosystem that works well for all. There's no point wasting time planning how p2p will take over the world; the web approach works great when it's done right.

    This is true whether "one company's platform" is YouTube/Facebook or even just a file hosting service like Amazon S3.

    No. YouTube is a social media platform, whereas S3 is a backend technology. When people browse YouTube, they don't tend to leave the YouTube ecosystem. This is one of the reasons it's so hard for anyone to move away from YouTube. S3 on the other hand is just a backend technology, invisible to the consumer. There's nowhere near the same lock-in problem.

    each household

    I'm not suggesting that each household run its own website and live the IndieWeb dream. [indieweb.org]

    We should be hoping for a healthy ecosystem of competing YouTube-like platforms. That would be great. I'm really not convinced that p2p has anything to contribute here.

    Even if distribution of Pino P's video is Pino P's problem, whose problem is distribution of Wootery's video?

    I don't expect others to donate their bandwidth for the distribution of my content, especially if it's monetised.

    I'm not opposed to BitTorrent for distributing videos or other large blobs - it's a proven technology after all - but I can't see it replacing conventional 'webby' streaming.

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday December 06 2017, @05:14PM (1 child)

      by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday December 06 2017, @05:14PM (#606214) Journal

      Earlier you wrote:

      The IndieWeb guys have it right

      Then you wrote:

      Eh? Weren't we talking about video hosting lock-in? We don't need LBRY, we need more diversity of video-hosting platforms, and good FOSS server-side software so those who want to can host streaming videos independently. There's no need for everyone to maintain their own server or domain.
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      I'm not suggesting that each household run its own website and live the IndieWeb dream.

      If it's just video hosting platforms, then MediaGoblin ought to work for many. (The biggest drawback of MediaGoblin is probably support for iOS playback until the H.264 patents expire.) But I was confused as to how much of IndieWeb practice you were suggesting.

      • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Wednesday December 06 2017, @07:15PM

        by Wootery (2341) on Wednesday December 06 2017, @07:15PM (#606295)

        Then you wrote:

        When I said the 'IndieWeb dream' I meant the silly utopia of everyone having their own server. When I said 'The IndieWeb guys have it right', I meant they're right to oppose monoculture and monopolistic web platforms.

        If it's just video hosting platforms, then MediaGoblin ought to work for many.

        I don't have a lot of faith in MediaGoblin. Why is there not a simple embedded video demo anywhere to be seen?

        Didn't know Safari on iOS lacked webm support. Weak sauce, Apple.