Germany's Interior Minister Wants Backdoors In Cars, Digital Devices
According to a new report from German newspaper Redaktions Netzwerk Deutschland (RND), Germany's Interior Minister, Thomas de Maizièr, has written a draft proposal in which he would like German cars, as well as other digital devices being sold in Germany, to grant police backdoor access. The minister is expected to present the proposal at next week's Ministry of Interior conference.According to the RND report, the German minister would like intelligence agencies and police to gain "exclusive" access to cars, as well as digital devices such as computers, mobile devices, kitchen appliances, and smart TVs. The "back door" access would, in essence, allow the government to bypass the security protections some of these devices have. The police have been complaining that sometimes they can't install intercept equipment on some cars because their security systems are "too good."Maizièr would also like cars and digital devices to have a "kill switch" the government can use at will to shut down certain devices, allegedly to stop cybercrime.
According to a new report from German newspaper Redaktions Netzwerk Deutschland (RND), Germany's Interior Minister, Thomas de Maizièr, has written a draft proposal in which he would like German cars, as well as other digital devices being sold in Germany, to grant police backdoor access. The minister is expected to present the proposal at next week's Ministry of Interior conference.
According to the RND report, the German minister would like intelligence agencies and police to gain "exclusive" access to cars, as well as digital devices such as computers, mobile devices, kitchen appliances, and smart TVs. The "back door" access would, in essence, allow the government to bypass the security protections some of these devices have. The police have been complaining that sometimes they can't install intercept equipment on some cars because their security systems are "too good."
Maizièr would also like cars and digital devices to have a "kill switch" the government can use at will to shut down certain devices, allegedly to stop cybercrime.
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when some right chap stops all the cars on the Autobahn.
Pay MDC $4,000 in Bitcoin or we'll drive your brand new car off this old cliff!
More so if he only stops random cars ... :-o
no no... not random... just the brand that this politician drives... every time...even when he switches brands... just to drive the point home (yes... pun intended :-) )
According to the RND report, the German minister would like intelligence agencies and police to gain "exclusive" access to cars
How does he imagines the access can be made exclusive remains a mystery.
He is neither the first nor the last fool (political or business) to demand the impossible, then declare the finding of a solution a mere technicality to be solved by lowly engineers.
Oh, don't I know it? Unfortunately, too well.But rather than exemplifying using a humorous sketch, here's how another recent real life example looks like [zdnet.com]:
"The laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia."Malcolm TurnbullAustralian Prime Minister
"The laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia."
Malcolm TurnbullAustralian Prime Minister
Further evidence that "Turnbull" is aboriginal pidgin for "Ignorant Twat".
If only Australian law applies in Australia, then surely also physical law doesn't.
Maybe someone should suggest to him to make an Australian law that bullets are not allowed to hit the prime minister. And then convince him to demonstrate the superiority of Australian law over physical law by having people shoot bullets at him, demonstrating that those bullets certainly follow Australian law by avoiding him, instead of hitting him as physical law demands. ;-)
Guys...this is Australia. Where everything is poisonous, the toilets flush backwards, and everything is held on to the bottom of the Earth upside-down. The laws of physics are more like suggestions already.
(Huge, HUGE /s for those of you who think I seriously believe Aussies are basically suction-cup-walking around like Wile E Coyote.)
But the thing about the poison/venom is all too true. I've seen some videos.
Grossly exaggerated - the chance of dying in a car accident is astronomically higher than dying from venomous species.
In my 15+ years of living in Australia, I only encountered some redbacks [wikipedia.org] - not nearly as dangerous as advertised (see "There have been no deaths directly due to redback bites since its introduction, however Isbister et al. have suggested patients for whom antivenom is considered should be fully informed "there is considerable weight of evidence to suggest it is no better than placebo").On a couple of occasions, I've seen some brown-snakes [wikipedia.org] - second most poisonous in the world, but aggressive only if it's cornered (offer it space to retreat and it will let you alone).
they are not as ignorant as they would seem. they know that other people will have access to their slaves, but the losses are within acceptable limits. people who want to act like these degenerates are just accidentally destroying any hope for humanity are just too scared to acknowledge the truth. you and your progeny are simply prey and property to them. you can bleat all you want. they'll just lick their chops at your fat curly haired asses.
Seems like we should label this Pol a Troll - but, sadly, I think it's a Troll in the stupid living under a bridge shaking down passers by sense, not one who is putting out a ridiculous statement looking for argument.
Another mystery is how the bad guys should be forced to buy those backdoored devices, when they can just get their devices from other countries whose governments are less than eager to allow the German government to control the devices sold in their countries …
"Exclusive" access also kind of implies that the owners themselves won't even be able to access the car.
2. restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned.
VW Type 3 Squareback had a back door in the '60s.
You forgot to add "...before it was cool."
Nobody wants this but that has never stopped a politician. When elections are coming, they just turn into Santa Claus and promise to make the world a better place. After the elections they start showing their contempt for their voters again.
Also his name ends with an 'e' so there are some typos in TFS.
We need these maggots to publicly pledge that they will not support this kind of madness. No pledge? No vote.
Good luck finding a non-hilarious number of voters who, at election time, can tell you the correct number of choices in that vote, much less what each of their platforms was 4 years ago and how they (didn't) act in the time between.
And I don't get me started about the mental resolve of foregoing the certain prospect of a golden future (as promised) just because the candidate made a single, negligible, stupid small mistake a long time ago ...
just because the candidate made a single, negligible, stupid small mistake a long time ago ...
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
> Nobody wants this
What? Nobody wants safety? Nobody wants security? Nobody wants a Better Life?
The fact is that everybody wants it.
Okay, so make it voluntary and see how many people will opt-in to having their whole life monitored. Or you can organize a referendum about it.
We have the technology for a real democracy where everybody could vote on every political issue. But it will never be applied because those in power will never give up that power to the people.
Simply making something evil be offered as voluntary is not enough to get everyone to opt in to it. You MUST offer them something of value. Like a paper coupon for some worthless crap. Or even a coupon code made of 100% recycled electrons.
Sometimes good intentions aren't worth the tradeoff.
Haben diese Idioten keine Ahnung? Und auch keine kompetente Berater?
Sorry: just asking if these idiots are totally clueless? And why don't they have competent advisors?
Yes, they really are clueless.
Competence (own or advisory) is only cursorily coupled to re-election, therefore it is a waste of resources (time, money, influence)
This is idiocy by design! Good German design!
Martin Bormann is chuckling in Hell at this. Lunacy loves company.
What makes you think he isn't doing exactly what his competent industry advisors have instructed him to do. The displayed behavior isn't a bug, it's a feature, it's following the script laid out by security theather industry brochures.
Advisers are an un-necessary hindrance in the political world - just look at the great Orange.
Seriously? Have a kill switch on a car in order to stop "cybercrime"? Just hope that your car is not found to be part of a botnet while you're driving at 200 km/h …
So, driving to fast for conditions, were you? We'll just add a speeding ticket to the list of charges. What do you mean, "What do you mean, to fast for conditions"? Well, obviously, as a cybercriminal, you should have known about the condition of your kill switch, accessible only by authorized police.
It is getting to this in Aus. Soon you will have to plug in an insurance box just to get insurance if you are under 25.. unless you are rich
So much for coupés.
Police already have access to cars - they can use a hard object to break the window, essential in rescuing trapped animals etc.
Well done Solyentils! An article about invasive German surveillance and the comments section hasn't been locked out by Godwin's law. Nothing has even come close.
I'm proud of you all.
Godwin's Law is reserved for the Nazi wannabes in the US/UK, Germany did a pretty good job of telling the real Nazis to fuck right off.
Has it, now? Because this sounds a lot like the East German Stasi turned up to 11.
But that was the communist state, not the Nazis.
If anything, the AfD is closer to the Nazis than anything else in Germany.
...then these measures will not be required
Don't be daft. They'll keep inventing new bogeymen as required.
[_] Thoughtcrime (not yet available, but coming soon!)[x] Think Of The Children![x] Terrorists[_] Eviodoers[_] Drug lords[_] War lords[_] Hippies[_] Communists[_] Axis of Evil
We have Thoughtcrime here in the UK already. They might not officially charge you with a crime, but they will take you away for questioning at the most inconvenient time and put you on a list of people to watch.
There is a growing canon of literature known as "terrorist propaganda" that one dare not accidentally stumble upon lest one get added to one of these lists. You see, the problem is, some vulnerable people randomly become terrorists and it's difficult to predict. So what they do is use a very blunt instrument - if you look at something you might be going to turn into one eventually, who knows - they take you away and talk to you. Presumably this is to scare you out of becoming a terrorist (yes, quite).
Now we have a collection of "forbidden literature" (banned books) that normal intelligent people with critical thinking skills may not read. Who is custodian of this list? Who decided what you may or may not look at? Do you feel lucky?
Now that we are not allowed to use our own critical thinking skills and judgement, we just have to take it as a matter of faith that some things are bad, very bad, very exceedingly bad indeed. We need to be careful to avoid the forbidden literature. We just have to accept and do as we are told, and perhaps be glad that if we are wrongly inconvenienced, interrogated or even imprisoned that ultimately it's for our own good, and especially the good of our country. I'm a patriot. So are you. We have nothing to fear!
The forbidden list may keep on growing and we may never know... We may be under surveillance and we may never know. I have nothing to hide! I'm stark naked under my clothes, after all.
Does wikipedia have an entry for gunpowder? Does it list the ingredients? I don't know, and I daren't look. You're not allowed to search online for how to make explosives. You will be taken away for a chat, so the story goes.
I really don't want to find out. I haven't the time to waste. PC Plod has no sense of humour, very poor social skills and a very authoritarian sense of judgement.
Posted not as AC because, you know, free speech and irony.
I thought that was what the US was working toward. But you've already got it? Wow.
We should not sacrifice our liberties even in the face of actual threats. So these measures are only "required" if you possess an authoritarian mindset.
Some cars already have back doors, called hatchbacks.
Some phones have a back door in order to replace the battery.
And people have a back door, so politicians and corporations can $£%^ them in it.
But I thought the Nazis lost the war?
Sure. But there was lots of surveillance expertise gained in East Germany.