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Microsoft Windows is back on ARM:
Just shy of a year after announcing that Windows was once again going to be available on ARM systems, the first two systems were announced today: the Asus NovaGo 2-in-1 laptop, and the HP Envy x2 tablet.
[...] The Asus laptop boasts 22 hours of battery life or 30 days of standby, along with LTE that can run at gigabit speeds. HP's tablet offers a 12.3 inch, 1920×1280 screen, 20 hours battery life or 29 days of standby, and a removable keyboard-cover and stylus. Both systems use the Snapdragon 835 processor and X16 LTE modem, with HP offering up to 8GB RAM and 256GB storage to go with it.
Lenovo is expected to announce a similar system in the coming weeks.
Also at The Verge, Engadget, and TechCrunch.
Previously: Big Changes Planned by Microsoft - Windows 10 on ARM, Laptops to Behave More Like Phones
Windows 10 PCs Running on Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 to Arrive this Year
New Windows 10 S Only Runs Software From Windows Store
Microsoft Knows Windows is Obsolete. Here's a Sneak Peek at Its Replacement.
New App Allows Win32 Software to Run on Windows 10 S
Intel Hints at Patent Fight With Microsoft and Qualcomm Over x86 Emulation
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday December 06 2017, @08:44PM
Phonelike PCs failed before. Here's why they'll succeed now [cnet.com]
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 06 2017, @08:55PM (10 children)
Basically, I'm asking the old spam/troll "but does it run Linux?" but being deathly serious about it. As ARM CPUs become more powerful we may reasonably expect to see them eat the lower end of the market; I would predict they'll kill most of the Atom line and maybe even the Core-m and Core-based Celerons, personally.
And because they're not x86, and because ARM designs are all in-house, *what is to stop Microsoft from putting pressure on OEMs/ODMs to force a lockdown to Windows 10?* In other words, what is there to prevent MS from doing the equivalent of perma-locking Secure Boot into the "on" state?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Wednesday December 06 2017, @08:59PM
We'll also have to see whether the x86 emulation these things are supposed to have can survive the wrath of Intel, and what form the emulation will be in.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by frojack on Wednesday December 06 2017, @09:12PM (2 children)
I think that ship has sailed.
ARM sales are such that Microsoft has no leverage. The problem with Windows isn't X86. The problem is Windows.
And ARM isn't going to help that.
Also ARM designs are not all In-house. Its licensed everywhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Licensing [wikipedia.org]
Companies that have designed cores that implement an ARM architecture include Apple, AppliedMicro, Broadcom, Cavium (now: Marvell), Nvidia, Qualcomm, and Samsung Electronics.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday December 06 2017, @10:30PM
See my post below about UEFI on ARM.
The Centauri traded Earth jump gate technology in exchange for our superior hair mousse formulas.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Snotnose on Thursday December 07 2017, @12:43AM
This. When I worked for Qualcomm it was widely known that QC would take the VHDL from ARM, add sekrit sauce to it, and sell it back to ARM. The deets weren't known to lowly staff software engineers like me, and I never bothered asking about it, but it was well known within the company the licensing was a 2 way street.
Of course I'm against DEI. Donald, Eric, and Ivanka.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday December 06 2017, @10:29PM (5 children)
If I understand correctly, Microsoft CAN lock out other OSes on ARM systems.
UEFI secure boot. See this [wikipedia.org].
So as ARM based systems take off, Linux may find itself excluded.
The Centauri traded Earth jump gate technology in exchange for our superior hair mousse formulas.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday December 06 2017, @11:36PM (4 children)
Not true as the brain damaged ARM-PC hybrid MS designed with UEFI is limited to MS infected hardware. So long as ARM licensees keep the fuck away from that Wintel disaster their chips will happily boot anything you ask them to. If you see UEFI or any other PC baggage on an ARM, run. Run far, far away.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday December 11 2017, @03:02PM (3 children)
Yes. Agree.
The problem is that ARM licensees might build systems pre-infected with Windows, and systems with open source. Now remember when netbooks first appeared. Existing Laptop OEMs decided to get in on the netbook fun. Microsoft did arm twisting: "if you dare to make a non-crippled netbook, then you might find bad things happen with your favorable OEM Windows License pricing. Just sayin', with love, Steve Ballmer."
So an OEM might be subject to Microsoft extortion and arm twisting unless they don't make ANY systems that are pre-infected with Microsoft products.
The Centauri traded Earth jump gate technology in exchange for our superior hair mousse formulas.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday December 11 2017, @03:27PM (2 children)
I think Arm is relatively safe from the grips of MS as they are a small fraction of the overall market. They don't have the influence like they did with the IBM/PC Intel platform they were a part of since day 1. MS was thankfully late to that party meaning they don't have much say in it if any.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday December 11 2017, @07:04PM (1 child)
MS is so "visionary" they almost missed the World Wide Web boat. And they completely missed the smartphone and mobile devices boat. When iPhone was announced, Steve "sweaty dancing monkey boy" Ballmer publicly laughed at the iPhone.
But there are other Microsoft missteps as well. I remember back in the day of flip phones and candy-bar style brick phones. Google offered this neato Google 411 service. You call it, ask for a directory listing, and they gave it to you. Better than the existing Directory Assistance. And for FREE. Ballmer laughed at this and cited Google as not knowing how to run a business by giving away such a service for free.
What was Google's strategy? To train their voice recognition models. Even if a human, behind the scenes, had to look up and type in the phone number(s) to return, this was training the voice recognition system for all types of speakers with all types of accents. Heh, heh.
The Centauri traded Earth jump gate technology in exchange for our superior hair mousse formulas.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday December 11 2017, @07:16PM
It's good that they made so many blunders as it finally smashed their grip on the computing market. Imagine if they didn't miss those boats(shudders)...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2017, @02:22AM (1 child)
So why would this be more successful than the Surface RT?
(Score: 1, Redundant) by takyon on Thursday December 07 2017, @02:27AM
https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-qualcomm-hp-asus-lenovo-windows-10-on-snapdragon-windows-rt/ [cnet.com]
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(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday December 07 2017, @11:15PM
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12129/shots-fired-qualcomm-bets-on-always-connected-devices-with-long-battery-life-intel-responds [anandtech.com]
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