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Teacher, parents weigh in on nude-artwork incident
Lincoln Elementary School art teacher Mateo Rueda had no idea what was in store for his career when he wrapped up a lesson Dec. 4 by telling students to look through some art postcards in the classroom library for examples of color usage in notable paintings. The cards, which were part of an educational package called "The Art Box" produced by Phaidon publishing, were placed in the library before Rueda began working at the Hyrum school. He knew the set portrayed a wide variety of classic artworks, but he has since said he was not aware that three or four of the 100 pieces featured in the box showed nudity.
Before the week was out, Rueda would find himself at the center of a controversy at the school, would be contacted by police after someone filed a classroom pornography complaint against him, and would eventually be out of a job.
The situation came to light Wednesday when The Herald Journal published a letter from the mother of one of Rueda's students complaining about the art teacher's dismissal and praising his work with students. She also let her feelings be known on Facebook, where her posts gained wide circulation among local school parents and educators.
Cache County School District officials have declined comment on the matter, noting that this is "an ongoing personnel issue." However, one district official who asked not to be identified said that Rueda's termination had more to do with the teacher's interaction with students after the students noticed the nudes than it did with the actual pictures themselves.
Parent Venessa Rose Pixton said this was the nature of a complaint she lodged with the school after learning about events of that day from her 11-year-old son, who was in Rueda's class. "It wasn't the pictures so much that really bothered me; it was the method in which he went about it afterward," Pixton told The Herald Journal, though contending in the same interview that she thinks the teacher shirked his responsibility by not reviewing the pictures thoroughly before allowing children to access them. "My son felt that Mr. Mateo belittled them," Pixton said. "He said Mr. Mateo even told the class 'There's nothing wrong with female nipples. You guys need to grow up and be mature about this.'" Rueda flatly denies he said this or took such a tone. "No, that did not happen," he said this week. "I did say that when you grow up, you're going to find yourselves going to museums or to places where unavoidably there's going to be nudity."
This is The Art Box, containing 100 postcards. Also at Fox 13 Salt Lake City and Snopes.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Sunday December 31 2017, @08:46PM (15 children)
It sounds more like a school administrator winning the rubber spine award by scapegoating the teacher. Why would the teacher telling a bunch of 5th graders to act more mature about minor nudity in classical art even be a problem? I remember in the 6th grade a teacher saying very much the same thing before a field trip to see the ballet where some of the male dancers were wearing costumes that were somewhat transparent in the back. There was some minor snickering anyway (of course) but it really wasn't a big deal or even vaguely controversial.
Perhaps it even contributed in some minor way to the class growing up a little.
Perhaps here it wouldn't hurt for the administration and a couple parents to grow up a little.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:11PM (4 children)
Hmmm might be because I am french, but we went to see a play with my class in the 90s when I was 12 years old where two actresses and one actor were completely naked on stage at one point, and yeah there was snickering, but nobody was shocked and there was no complaint. As for the type of artwork that seems to be the problem here, I had those in my primary school books as introduction to classical arts, I was around 7 years old. Well, I suppose this is to be expected in the US where you have both the largest adult industry in the world and people so easily shocked by naked bodies that they can get a teacher fired for this...
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @12:16AM
A man walked up to a woman who was sitting on a park bench, watching her 9-year-old girl play. The man's appearance could only be described as 'creepy' and 'unsettling'; he was cockeyed, wore small glasses, and had a thin mustache. After staring at the woman for a few moments, the man finally spoke these words: "You know, I've been looking it, and... hehe!"
Suddenly, the man instantly changed locations and was sitting on the grass, naked. The mother's child was sitting on top of him, also naked, and with the man's penis entering her. However, something was different about the girl's appearance; she was now incredibly obese, unlike previously; she had countless crater-like indentations on her buttocks, and the skin on the inside of said craters was a sickly greenish color; and finally, the craters on her skin were slowly leaking pus and blood.
The man began thrusting, and every time he did so, he screamed, "Looking it!" These words were shouted again and again, and echoed throughout the park. Occasionally, the man would scream other phrases, such as 'Delicious!', at the same time as he was screaming other words; what was most odd was that it sounded as if he was screaming two entirely different things simultaneously, almost as if someone who sounded exactly like he did was speaking over him. The man's thrusting became increasingly rapid over time, and so too did his shouts. Finally, the man squeezed the girl's buttocks with as much strength as he could muster, and a vomit-inducing mixture of pus and blood spewed everywhere, accompanied by a high-pitched scream
Elsewhere, a naked woman - the child's mother - could be seen hanging from her rectum on the end of an abnormally-large telephone pole which reached thousands of feet tall. The woman's rectum appeared to be stretching out to unbelievable lengths, to the point where it resembled a long hood. From this location, the man's everlasting shouts of pleasure could be heard...
(Score: 4, Interesting) by sjames on Monday January 01 2018, @12:48AM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @01:20PM
It may well be that ever since the Bush Jr win, the bible "belt" has gotten way more "activist"...
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday January 02 2018, @12:26AM
Think about demographics and reproduction in the US: who's having all the kids these days?
Hint: it's not the highly-educated liberals in the cities.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by LoRdTAW on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:46PM (7 children)
I attended a Catholic grade school from kindergarten to 8th grade. In the 7th grade our deeply religious, yet very respectful of art and science, teacher showed us the miracle of life. We all had to bring permission slips home and have them signed by our parents. All but one kid had their parents sign. She was one of the few teachers who could balance the arts, religion and science by acknowledging that god gave us these talents and gifts to explore and study. To not would be ungrateful to say the least! And I'm not at all religious.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:50PM (2 children)
I knew some kids who went to Catholic school and they hated it.
I don't remember the fine details, but hey, anecdotes be anecdotes.
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(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday January 01 2018, @12:01AM
At this point in my life I cant say it was bad. But if I went to Catholic high school I would have hated it. Instead, my parents sent me to where I wanted to go, a public vocational school. Great school too.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday January 02 2018, @12:30AM
I'm was raised Catholic, and of course am now an agnostic. and pretty strongly anti-religious in fact. I went to Catholic school for some of my pre-high-school schooling, and honestly, it was mostly very good compared to what I saw in public schools (which I also went to at times, we moved around a lot). There wasn't really that much religion taught, and the teaching was a whole lot better than the incompetence usually found in public schools. And Catholic religion, while it did have a problem with molester priests, and is anti-contraception, isn't nearly as nutty as the garbage (a lot of it wrapped up with politics) the Evangelicals spew these days.
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday January 01 2018, @03:12AM (3 children)
Perhaps I'm dense, but what is the miracle of life? At least in the context of needing permission slips.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday January 01 2018, @03:22AM (2 children)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/life-greatest-miracle.html [pbs.org]
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday January 01 2018, @04:11AM (1 child)
You needed permission slips for basic biology? In grade 7 we were in the second year of sex ed, mostly drawings but I'm sure I remember films such as this. Perhaps I'm just showing my age or the fact that I'm not American.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @01:11PM
Ignorance allows for greater control. You can see how FB evolved and how harmful the information age had been, so it was stopped as much as it was possible and the system in place now helps fuel ignorance and how cool it is while badging you to make it look like the most ignorant are the alpha males and females.
This is old social convention though; you need not be an American to have seen or experienced this in some way. The permission slips do a few things; avoid legal issues, and identify certain types of people.
The cool kids are not the ones whose parents are not signing--but the kids suspectible to conspiracy theory, suggestion, and cooperation with authority regarding various concerns often are. Fear of a higher power and the lack of understanding how some things work...
Then they grow up to become ignorant parents who rent to own and may even be the types that home school a child for the wrong reasons... ('wrong' being speculative but few home schooled children are cited as being examples of how not to have been raised in ignorance--provided they aren't wedded off as children first.)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @12:49AM (1 child)
Sadly, the teacher probably would have been fine showing the kids a film with gratuitous gun violence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @01:23PM
In particular if the main character wore a 10 gallon hat, spoke a Texas drawl, and was gunning down dark skins with glee...
(Score: -1, Troll) by kurenai.tsubasa on Sunday December 31 2017, @08:48PM (14 children)
Pretty typical. Replace this teacher with a radical feminist demonstrating how the female form is superior and berating half the class for not being lucky enough to be born with those body parts, and it's a-ok! Hell, why not throw in some extra credit opportunities where the teacher makes it explicit that any boys who attempt the extra credit will be given automatic zeros for lacking functional wombs.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:08PM (12 children)
I see why you hang around here, you resonate with certain aspects of the dominant culture.
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:31PM (10 children)
So what are you trying to say? Double standards are absolutely fine as long as they're in the favor of womyn-born-womyn and against men?
Elementary schools have a huge problem with sexism and misandry.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:44PM (9 children)
So do you want to be a woman or not, Kurenai? Because if you hate us so bad, maybe you should keep your current shell. We don't need another self-hating woman in the ranks, thank you all the same. Unfuck your head before you complete transition, please.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by pr on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:02PM (4 children)
No sarcasm, straight from the heart : it seems like you guys are making some possibly interesting points. I just don't understand what you mean exactly. Can we improve the quality of the debate by being more explicit?
PR
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @12:23AM
Always, although I think you'd better be careful what you
expletive deletedask for youexpletive deletedexpletive deleted.(Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 01 2018, @03:56AM (2 children)
Kurenai is a little insane. She's an MtF whose transition has been stopped in the middle due to meddling and lack of funds, as far as I can tell, but there's also obviously some comorbid mental issues here. She was treated badly by a bunch of TERFs (trans-exclusive radical feminists, a.k.a. "complete fucking assholes" to you and I) and as a result has been so traumatized that she considers all feminists of all stripes to be evil and vicious and personally out to get her. She believes they are responsible for her inability to access certain medications necessary to continue transition, if I recall.
She also doesn't do her research and tends to post when emotionally agitated, which leaves us in the weird position of a transwoman who posts all the MRA talking points. I...don't know what to make of this. I'm not trans-exclusive by any means, but have only known one reasonably stable MtF out of nearly a dozen and am getting very tired of all the drama. I'm also getting tired of being attacked for no good reason, for things I did not and do not say, do, or believe. And this is going to make life as a fully-transitioned woman very difficult for her, because the assumptions she's making about how untouchable and privileged women are just is not true. Frankly, I think she's going to kill herself when that reality hits home.
And I'm rolling my eyes and cringing at her constant tantrums, not least because, as unfair as this is, it makes every single MtF out there look bad. This is because it's a long-standing rule that "$MINORITY does something bad" equates to "$MINORITY are all bad" in the eyes of far too many people. But she cannot or will not see this. I'm beginning to feel like a lifeguard trying to help a drowning person who insists on kicking her in the boobs.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday January 01 2018, @04:57PM (1 child)
Do you comprehend why I started attacking you and feminists in general again? Do you comprehend why I am purposefully ignoring everything you've ever said in the favor of trans women?
This is what it's like being on the receiving end of the misogynerd narrative. You are held accountable for the actions of others. Yes, even:
You've lost your patience? I've fucking lost mine, too!
As long as this Narrative goes on, I will continue doing this.
I do not know how else to make it clear how wrong the misogynerd narrative is. I'm going to tell you the exact same thing I've been told countless times when objecting to being held accountable for the actions of others. “If you don't like it, then do something about $problem we're holding you collectively and severally accountable for.”
Isn't it fucking frustrating? Doesn't it just drive you up the wall knowing that you're being held accountable for other people's actions, even when your own actions and words have explicitly been the very opposite?
Welcome to my reality with the misogynerd narrative.
And don't you think that it's a matter of time before men in tech adopt a similar position, if they haven't already? The misogynerd narrative is blowing through feminism's credibility like credibility is going out of style.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 01 2018, @08:03PM
Listen, asshole, I'm not one of the people who subscribes to that collective guilt bullshit, so you can quit applying it to me right the hell now. You are dangerously short on allies as it is; if someone outs you you could lose your job, your housing, and even your life. I have seen all of these happen, some to friends of mine. Your situation is precarious and brittle. Keep people offering to be on your side, on your side.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Informative) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday January 01 2018, @03:10AM (3 children)
Why don't you feminists unfuck your heads? Sex trafficking is a hell of a charge to make collectively and severally, and you had better bet I'm unhappy about whatever horseshit you feminists have planned for 2018.
You write that as though you're giving me a choice. That's a laugh! My “shell”—what do you mean? Am I eligible for a new body or something? Should I expect a miracle to occur if I “unfuck” my head? Oh, if that's the case, then sure! Gladly!
If you're talking about solidarity…. Well then I cannot even. You women have been throwing bigotry at me for decades, making damned sure I understand that I'm a rapist (despite the fact that you cannot tell me whom I've raped) and accountable for the actions of others. Where on earth would I ever get the impression that I'm one of you in any durable sense?! Pronouns are neat, but I would rather be exempt from the class you're trying to hold collectively and severally accountable for…, and that wouldn't even make your bigoted shit right.
Regardless of miraculous dispositions, perhaps I should link to a few female schoolteachers who have been convicted of sex with a minor to demonstrate the problems with misandry and sexism that our school systems have.
But it's nearly midnight in my timezone, so I have better things to do.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 01 2018, @03:45AM (2 children)
Wait, so if I understand this right, you want to transition because you want what you perceive to be "female privilege?" What...the...actual...fuck. Are you actually transgender or just fucked in the head? Because let me tell you something, lady-in-training: it's not fun here. You'll find out after transition when you've been passing for a while, if what a couple of MtF friends of mine have told me is any indication. You'll see how women are actually treated...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 01 2018, @05:40AM
I read the comment about three times and your reply seems to misrepresent what kurenai said.
That line alone makes it pretty clear that kurenai does not expect to get any such "privilege".
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(Score: 0, Redundant) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday January 01 2018, @03:39PM
Let's clear this up since you seem to be concerned about it. I'm touched! My transition is as complete as it's going to get. I pass just fine, thank you. I can fool most people into thinking that I'm a cisgender woman, including womyn-born-womyn. If the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival were still a thing, I'll bet I could get in. I know how women are treated first hand, and it is better than what I experienced as a guy.
I would also like to confirm that my sex life is just great! I get plenty of sex. My only sexual failing (well, besides being unable to give the man of my dreams 2.5 kids, which every instinct within me screams out to do) is that I do not have sex with womyn-born-womyn. I have been molested by womyn-born-womyn before. I have never been molested by a man. Isn't that fucking peculiar?!
I think you posted once your height, and I'm shorter than you are. That means that if I misjudge a situation and allow myself to slip into condition white, I could have a very bad day. I see what you feminists are describing, and I live it every day. It's calling living in condition yellow. I am aware that there is danger all around me, but I have not identified a specific threat. That is every fucking day for me. So don't you fucking dare tell me what being a woman is or isn't like.
There's also another curious implication with my short stature. If I am gendered male, I am instantly a target for testosterone-abusing meatheads with Ford F-Teen Fifties. (Oh, btw, just between us girls, a Ford F-Teen Fifty is a good sign that you probably want to steer clear of a guy.) If I am gendered female, guess what happens? I become a Hunny to be protected. That is one of the things that drives me insane about you feminists. You are so fucking privileged that you cannot see how privileged you are! Literally. I know, and you cannot deceive me about it like your white knights, because I have a firsthand basis for comparison.
Here are some protips. Lock your doors as soon as you get in your car. Carry a weapon. Also having a good pair of sunglasses with a reflective coating is great for intimidation. It's amazing what sunglasses do. Stand up straight. Yes, that means you won't be hiding any boobs with poor posture. People will look at your boobs. Do you know which gender I catch staring at my boobs the most? You fucking womyn-born-womyn.
So yes, I know exactly what I'm getting in to, because I live it every day! I have over a decade of experience passing so well that even you womyn-born-womyn are fooled into thinking I'm one of you. You know that not every man is out to get you, right? There actually aren't rapists hiding around every corner, come to find out. Men actually are not poisonous mushrooms or in a quantum superposition of rapey states. I think you feminists knew damned well from the get-go that Schrödinger's Rapist was just a cute sci-fi adaptation of literal Nazi propaganda.
The only reason I am not in deep stealth, if you must know, is because I have to do this inconvenient thing called working a job. The way you get another job is with practical experience. And that means referencing a prior identity. That means you tend to wind up with chain of custody that points back to being assigned the male gender, especially if you want nice things like having a moderately capable gaming rig. In fact, if you must know, I pass so well that I would not be surprised if many people think I'm FtM, because there's only so much I can hide, and I really do not have enough fucks to give to infiltrate FtM forums to find crossdressing tips so that I can pass as a man! (Besides, that is their space. It's not somewhere for me to be infiltrating.)
I also support other people, you know? I faced the ethical conundrum that I could be selfish. I could tell these people who depend on me that they can go homeless for all I care. My problem is that I do care. You feminists have even made one of them unemployable because of your fucking bathroom hysteria. Don't think for a goddamned second that my anger is just about what's happened to me.
You were curious about my disposition with passing and questioned my efficacy as an infiltrator, so that's why the majority of this comment is about that.
As far your trans friends, I feel for them. Have they controlled for transphobia? You feminists have done a lot to foment transphobia. If somebody questions whether trans women are “real” women, guess what most people off the street will say? They will say that even feminists say that trans women are nothing more than bathroom rapists who are invading women. The medical evidence? You feminists say it's all fake news, and they take your word for it.
I am telling you, Azuma, that feminism has done more to damage trans people than fundamentalist Christianity, precisely because of the credibility people lend feminism on the matter.
You know what? If you don't believe my authentic experience as a woman with cisgender privilege (though mine, as Serano notes, is ever on loan) that's your problem.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:45PM
I think you need to look up the word "dominant". When you control nearly every form of media and education, you don't get to play the poor, downtrodden underdog anymore.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by Crash on Monday January 01 2018, @11:56PM
Does SN provide a mechanism to blacklist this tripe? As opposed to forcing us to constantly need to moderate it?
Not that I think all that highly of Ars these days, but at least there's a Usenet-Level PLONK.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @08:52PM (1 child)
Does the school stock any National Geographic in their library? Because if you're offering that to children of all ages, you really can't fire someone for doing the same thing.
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:07PM
According to TFA, the teacher checked the art cards out of the school library.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @08:52PM
WHERE, where but here have Pride and Truth,
That long to give themselves for wage,
To shake their wicked sides at youth
Restraining reckless middle-age.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by stretch611 on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:04PM (17 children)
A painting of a semi-nude human can get a teacher fired...
But hell, allow us to take a movie laden with violence and killing a dozen people or more, and we slap a pg rating on it.
Showing the human body as something of beauty is discouraged, while blood and gore is tolerated... what kind of screwed up value system is that?
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Justin Case on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:11PM (7 children)
Better to show some scenes of biblical carnage, like any of the many times the hebrew god strikes entire cities or armies dead just for being on the Other Side, or smites the firstborn son of every family because of something the Pharaoh didn't do quickly enough.
Oh, and... "There's nothing wrong with female nipples". Yeah. Exactly correct. Nothing wrong with male nipples either.
(Score: 5, Informative) by maxwell demon on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:10PM (6 children)
Even worse:
From Exodus 7: [biblegateway.com]
So it's not even the Pharaoh's fault, but God himself made the Pharaoh unable to grant the request, just to be able to bring on the plagues.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:45PM (4 children)
Yeah, the contortions apologists go through when I talk to them about that would be hilarious, except that the shit they say is utterly horrific. It boils down to "because what the fuck are YOU gonna do about it, huh?!"
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:56PM (3 children)
"If God wasn't a dick, we wouldn't worship him!"
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 01 2018, @04:03AM
That is what it eventually boils down to. The calculus they do, unconsciously perhaps, is "Yahweh can hurt me more, and longer (eternally) than any other being in any possible world. Therefore I'm going to do what he says and hope he won't."
The flaw, of course, is that any being with a character like Yahweh's is, shall we say, unlikely to keep his supposed promises of eternal bliss for his devoted, obedient followers. We're talking, as far as we can observe, about a being who routinely does the godlike equivalent of pulling the wings off flies and roasting ants with a magnifier for fun, *and blames the flies and ants for being killable despite deliberately making them that way.*
Simple law of large numbers says that, assuming there is nothing logically impossible about Yahweh dumping someone into Hell for any reason or no reason at all--and as he is omnipotent and absolutely sovereign, there is not--at some point as time T approaches infinity *all* non-Yahweh essences will end up in Hell.
But that's too complicated and involved for the average Jew, Christian, or Muslim.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @06:02PM (1 child)
I'm guessing a lot of those people also voted for Trump.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday January 01 2018, @06:26PM
No way.
Donald Trump [cbsnews.com]: "I think I am, actually humble. I think I'm much more humble than you would understand."
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:21PM
http://archives.adventistworld.org/2011/september/choice-or-coercion.html [adventistworld.org] TL;DR God was showing Pharaoh that the gods he worshiped weren't real gods. God didn't harden Pharaoh's heart until the Pharaoh had repeatedly proven that he wouldn't change. So, God made an example out of him.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:29PM
Now it's on free broadcast network TV at 8 PM. It wasn't long ago that current TV stuff would be banned, esp. from Prime Time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:36PM
It's the system preferred by a majority of US citizens.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by https on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:36PM (1 child)
It's required of bellicose cultures (nb: USA counts here) to ingrain in its participants, and especially its warriors, an abhorrence of nuanced enjoyment of the body. Rape? OK. Fucking? Sort of OK, but only in prescribed circumstances. Making love? Fuck that I kill you for talking me down as some pansy-ass faggot. Killing and mutilation then lands on the "OK" part of the spectrum.
One societal cause of violence is certain [violence.de] - others exist too, but this one's documented with 100% correlation.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:54PM
Reading between the lines there, I get the impression that it is an entry point for NAMBLA.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by MostCynical on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:43PM (1 child)
Didn't The originl Robocop get edited to ensure no boobs were shown, to get a lower censorship rating? Body parts flying off all over the place were okay, proving the ratings systems was broken.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 3, Insightful) by termigator on Monday January 01 2018, @10:31PM
I have not heard of that. There is a locker room scene in the police station showing cops getting dresses/undressed, and at least one topless female is shown. Nothing sexual about it, just cops, men and women, getting ready for work.
What was edited was the extra violence. The orginal cut was deemed so violent, it got rated X (not sure if NC-17 was defined at the time) for the violence. For example, the scene where ED-209 shoots the exec at the beginning of the movie lasts longer than the release edit: a conderable amount of time is given showing ED pumping rounds into the exec. The unedited cut was made available via DVD release.
Being a fan of the original Robocop, the edits in some of the violent scenes actually make the movie better. I an definitely not squeamish, and there is still some pretty graphic violence, but the with the extra footage, some of the violence was bordering on comical, lessening the impact of the affected scenes and distracting from the story. I.e. The extra violence distracted the viewer from appreciating the other themes various scenes conveyed.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:31PM
Well, the US won its independence by fighting, unlike France, where nipples played a central role [louvre.fr] in toppling a king ... I guess?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @01:24PM
USA USA USA USA USA USA
(even bots understand my point:
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:26PM
You should see what passed for PG-13 in the 80s and 90s. Some of it would definitely have been rated R by today's standards.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @09:36PM
They don't drink so they need something else to do.
(Score: 5, Informative) by requerdanos on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:08PM (3 children)
For those interested in scholarly research, the classic works of art featuring boobs or bare bottoms that were included in the postcard set, and reported as objectionable in the Fox 13 Salt Lake City piece mentioned in TFS, are as follows:
Modigliani - Female nude (Iris Tree) [wikimedia.org]
François Boucher - Brown Odalisque (L'Odalisque Brune) [wikimedia.org]
Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres - La Baigneuse Valpinçon [wikipedia.org]
I am pretty underwhelmed by their potential to offend, but maybe Salt Lake City is different.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:48PM (2 children)
Well, those *do* clearly depict nude, or essentially nude, female human forms. Only one of them seems to be intended to be erotic, and even then only mildly. Compare them to things easily accessible on the internet today, and you realize just how stupid this action was.
Mind you, I would count this as stupidity close to putting skirts on piano legs anyway, but by comparison....well, the mind boggles.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by zocalo on Monday January 01 2018, @12:34AM (1 child)
Whether Rueda said "You guys need to grow up and be mature about this", "when you grow up, you're going to find yourselves going to museums or to places where unavoidably there's going to be nudity", or something else entirely is besides the point. The real issue here is the suppression of things that kids *need* to be exposed to in a controlled manner if they're going to leave school as well adjusted human beings ready for adult life. Given parents are getting increasingly reluctant to step up to the plate and the advantages of having that exposure in a group of their peers there isn't a better place for that than in a classroom, and given the volume of nudity in art (much of which is indeed in public spaces) the art classroom is as good as any for providing some of that exposure.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @01:16PM
strange--i thought the answer was to cover the female body to prevent impure thoughts. maturity isn't necessary if people are supposed to get exported or blown up or used as bullet sponges because robots are expensive.
then the ladies remaining need a strong man to protect them, etc. and no woman is allowed to wear pants; they dont seem to be so i am not sure what's wrong besides viewer intent.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:24PM (1 child)
Laws against nudity do not extend to art, we've always celebrated the human form. Why are those complaining not being referred to a local psychiatric institution?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by SomeGuy on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:05PM
Because "youcantbetoosafethinkofthechildrenpollywannacracker".
It's a good thing this art wasn't some modern stuff that questioned the existence of their imaginary god. Then they would have had to burn this teacher at the stake.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:24PM (1 child)
This is a case where the context is all important. On one hand, classical nude painting shouldn't ruffle feather. I mean, it's not like porntube all-out gynocological/proctoligical gangbang, is it.
On the other hand, it's elementary school. What the hell are you doing showing nude paintings to the kids?
Maybe there is good context for it. Maybe not. Maybe the teacher is some pervert whackjob.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by chromas on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:10PM
Most kids are only as fragile as they're raised to be.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 31 2017, @10:51PM (4 children)
if he escapes this situation without being forced to register as a sex offender.
(Score: 4, Informative) by tftp on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:52PM (3 children)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Justin Case on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:54PM
Or, you know, someone who craves the company of children despite the risk...
(Score: 5, Funny) by takyon on Sunday December 31 2017, @11:59PM
http://archive.is/c2kyV [archive.is]
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/Wires/Online/2017-12-31/AP/Images/Vatican_Pope_New_Years_Eve_66742.jpg-07b04.jpg [washingtonpost.com]
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 01 2018, @01:28AM
And you know what they say about "l'homme plus honnête".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Tuesday January 02 2018, @12:38AM
With stuff like this happening in our schools, it's no wonder that intelligent people who would be good at teaching don't want anything to do with the profession.
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Tuesday January 02 2018, @11:01PM
And by, "I love it" I mean, WTF is wrong with people?
On the one hand, a teacher gets fired because of nudity that he didn't know existed.
On the other hand, huge numbers of people will happily vote for pedophile for no other reason than cause he's Republican.
The cognitive compartmentalization of the average American is breathtaking.