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posted by martyb on Tuesday January 02 2018, @04:27PM   Printer-friendly
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An Intel website leaked some details of the Intel Core i7-8809G, a "Kaby Lake" desktop CPU with on-package AMD Radeon graphics and High Bandwidth Memory 2.0. While it is listed as an 8th-generation part, 8th-generation "Coffee Lake" CPUs for desktop users have up to 6 cores (in other words, Intel has been releasing multiple microarchitectures as "8th-generation"). The i7-8809G may be officially announced at the Consumer Electronics Show next week.

The components are linked together using what Intel calls "embedded multi-die interconnect bridge technology" (EMIB). The thermal design power (TDP) of the entire package is around 100 Watts:

Intel at the original launch did state that they were using Core-H grade CPUs for the Intel with Radeon Graphics products, which would mean that the CPU portion is around 45W. This would lead to ~55W left for graphics, which would be in the RX 550 level: 8 CUs, 512 SPs, running at 1100 MHz. It is worth nothing that AMD already puts up to 10 Vega CUs in its 15W processors, so with the Intel i7-8809G product Intel has likely has gone wider and slower: judging by the size of the silicon in the mockup, this could be more of a 20-24 CU design built within that 55W-75W window, depending on how the power budget is moved around between CPU and GPU. We await more information, of course.

It is rumored to include 4 GB of HBM2 on-package, while the CPU also supports DDR4-2400 memory. Two cheaper EMIB CPUs have been mentioned:

According to some other media, the 8809G will turbo to 4.1 GHz, while the graphics will feature 24 [compute units (CUs)] (1536 [stream processors (SPs)]) running at 1190 MHz while the HBM2 is 4GB and will run at 800 MHz. The same media are also listing the Core i7-8705G (20 CUs, 1000 MHz on 'Vega M GL', 700 MHz on HBM2) and a Core i7-8706G. None of the information from those sources is yet to be verified by AnandTech or found on an official Intel webpage.

Currently available AMD Ryzen Mobile APUs only include 8-10 Vega CUs. These are mobile chips with a maximum TDP of 25 W; no desktop Ryzen chips with integrated graphics have been announced yet.

Previously: Intel Announces Core H Laptop Chips With AMD Graphics and High Bandwidth Memory

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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:27PM (3 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:27PM (#616932) Journal

    I don't like this. Intel poached Koduri essentially--we know *nothing* of how or why he joined Intel!--and now appears to be trying to create a mashup of Ryzen CPU performance with Ravenridge-level IGP. It's an interesting technical angle, but something about this smells as far as the corporate side goes. Intel fights fucking dirty, always did, and they seem to want to undermine AMD instead of competing with them.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:39PM (2 children)

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {}> on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:39PM (#616940) Journal

    AMD has done well with Ryzen and GPUs recently, but their easy cryptomining cash boost will probably dry up soon.

    This gets them to tap into a source of revenue. Although it probably doesn't help them with market share, they can leech off of Intel's.

    This is also less of a devastating self-flagellation for AMD than it might have been before they launched Ryzen. Ryzen has partially closed a huge gap with Intel's CPUs and IPC. It has inserted them back into desktops which they had all but abandoned. Future iterations of their hardware might be somewhat more competitive with Intel since Intel has struggled to move past 14nm and although GlobalFoundries, Samsung, et al. are said to have crappier process nodes than Intel, they are moving a little faster (for example, GlobalFoundries 7nm might be comparable to Intel's 10nm, but 7nm will be around before Intel gets much 10nm stuff out).

    AMD's next big move may be to muscle into the machine learning and automotive territory where Nvidia is riding high. There was talk of a GPU made for Tesla (the car company, not the Nvidia product).

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:57PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 02 2018, @10:57PM (#616951)

      With Ryzen and Vega, AMD has fully thrown itself into the 'Secured for government spying' Arena, with backdoored CPUs and GPUs with signed firmware and potential hypervisor level backdoors that co-opt what little of the mainstream computer market was left after Intel was done with it.

      If you consider this from the intelligence-technlogy complex mindset, throwing AMD a few bones to help provide access to 99 percent of non-cellular computer users *IN THE WORLD*, this is a bargain to keep them in business while also ensuring the entire x86 market is following in lock-step the controls being put in place to either control or surveil the public.

      Given that basically all major software requires x86 today, even the software that doesn't require windows, this gives a dramatic amount of potential (even if unused) surveillance power to the gatekeepers who control it. In this case the NSA, Mossad, GCHQ, and possibly Japan through SoftBank's newfound ownership of ARM.

      Without competitors coming onto the market, especially competitors from other regions/nationalities, and ideally from other countries who still believe in privacy, if not free speech, we are rapidly approaching the sort of technological tipping point that Continuum depicted as far as one technology coopting control of the world towards one groups ideological control.

    • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday January 03 2018, @03:24AM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Wednesday January 03 2018, @03:24AM (#617053) Journal

      And, lets just throw this in here: What if Intel worked with AMD to enable AMD discreet GPU cards work in tandem with each other in laptop or desktop? You can have it either way and everything plays nicely: Ryzen APU + AMD GPU || Intel [AMD]APU + AMD GPU. Pick your CPU core of choice. Then the main GPU can be turned off when just browsing or watching netflix and throttle on for the latest mmor-fps-rpg-whatever or buttcoin mining.