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Small town Republican thoughts on refuting the alt-right. In The Republican Journal:
I want to make one thing very clear: The Waldo County Republican Committee absolutely, unequivocally condemns Nazi and KKK ideologies and actions, as well as any other kind of bigotry, and we encourage all of our voters and the community at large to do the same.
For fellow Republicans out there, worry not, we don't like Antifa's ideology and actions either, but we need to clean our own house; we need to worry about our own responsibilities.
Such honesty, and clarity of thought!
The most dangerous part of politics today is identity politics, trolling, pathos and a severe lack of critical thinking. You cannot defeat the insidious hatred of bigoted politics with more hate. By doing so, you morph the conversation away from policy and ideology to silly label syntax, eventually devolving completely into back and forth verbal gymnastics. Make no mistake, these trolls are ready for you as you stoop to their level, and they beat you up with mountains of experience.
So what do we do? Very simple. Stay neighborly by controlling your reaction. Seek out those with whom you disagree, try to understand them first, and politely offer your counter argument.
And it looks like the Republicans in Maine, if not in Illinois, are rejecting the alt-right.
The way to defeat Mr. Kawczynski is not by attacking him, but by attacking his ideas. Here are some flaws in his thinking: His immigration ideas are antithetical to the Maine Republican party platform, a section of which states, "We support the assimilation of legal immigrants into Maine society."
Kawczynski's ideas stand in contrast to Maine history and culture; in fact, it is white folks with racist ideologies who pose the greatest threat to Maine's foundation, not other races of people.
Another brilliant tidbit:
Ultimately, all you have to do is walk outside with your eyes open in this state to see that Kawczynski's fearmongering about "white genocide" is completely laughable.
Entire guest column is well worth a read.
(Score: 2, Informative) by bradley13 on Friday February 09 2018, @01:44PM (15 children)
This looks like desperate virtue-signalling by a bunch of "cuckservatives". Which is a denigrating term applied to people who claim to be conservative, but don't have the guts to object to progressive politics.
Mr. Kawczynski is sort of a mild "alt-right", what those in the alt-right refer to as "alt-west". In Maine, he apparently founded the group New Albion [newalbion.org], which lists its values as:
Really, there's nothing in there that ought to be controversial. Western, European culture is what Maine has, and it is something to be proud of. That doesn't prevent other people, in other places, from taking pride in their cultures. Culture in New England is European, and people like Mr. Kawczynski take pride in that.
Looking at some of the articles on the New Albion site, the most controversial one I could find is entitled "First Thoughts on White Civil Rights". The title is deliberate, because the article is protesting precisely the fact that you can support any race except "white". Why should it be possible to have black pride, but not white pride? Why should affirmative action exist? What's wrong with a level playing ground? Whatever answers you prefer, there is nothing wrong with asking these questions. Ultimately, the article simply calls for "the equal protections of all races".
Reading TFA, it seems that the Cuckservatives absolutely must distance themselves from Mr. Kawczynski, because they desperately do not want to be seen as impolite.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by KiloByte on Friday February 09 2018, @02:56PM
There are both rational and "true believer" people on both sides of the gap. And what true believers hate the most is not the opposing side — it's "traitors" in their own camp. For them, there's nothing worse than sowing some doubt in their message. That's why Damore (a strong leftist) was dealt with so harshly — and you just provided a fine example of alt-right denigrating those who dare to "cuck" by discussing with the other side.
It's usually easy to tell whether someone is such a true believer, and in the current state of politics, trying to persuade such people appears to be futile. Those who are willing to admit that in at least some matters they could possibly be wrong, though, can engage in productive talks.
Ceterum censeo systemd esse delendam.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday February 09 2018, @03:23PM (2 children)
I've never heard that phrase before. The best supported definition of "alt-right," last I looked, included racism as a component so I would not identify with it, but some people (and not only the regressive left) use it much more broadly. In many cases, the motive is explicitly propagandistic - it's done as a conscious effort to smear any and all opposition as similarly racist.
"Really, there's nothing in there that ought to be controversial."
True, and this is how extremism on one side feeds extremism on the other. Not that long ago 'racist' was taboo, a really bad word, a hateful insult that no one wanted to be called. It still is, for some of us. But some, particularly the regressive leftists, have overused that, extended it to the point it became ridiculous, and worn that taboo away. People got used to the fact that anyone that disagreed with any of the radical regressivists dogma is going to be called a racist, and no one is shocked anymore. Does that mean that everyone is now racist? No, but it means those individuals who *are* racist now have a much easier time recruiting others to their beliefs. The taboo that inhibited them has been destroyed by overuse, much like the effectiveness of antibiotics can be destroyed by overuse.
"The title is deliberate, because the article is protesting precisely the fact that you can support any race except "white"."
Which brings up how sometimes half-way understanding something can be more dangerous than not understanding it at all. That sort of politically correct dogma reflects a view no less racist than that of the KKK or the Nazis. These people got the 'nazis are bad' message but completely mangled the 'racism is wrong' message and have become caricatures worthy of Goebbels.
"Ultimately, the article simply calls for "the equal protections of all races"."
There's only one (currently existent) human race, my friend. We're all in this together whether we like it or not.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bradley13 on Friday February 09 2018, @04:26PM (1 child)
"There's only one (currently existent) human race, my friend. We're all in this together whether we like it or not."
That's actually really nicely said. Kudos.
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You know what we need? The classic trick to unite populations? We need an external enemy. An alien invasion or something. Works every time...
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:17AM
Kudoes, or kudzu?
(Score: 2, Informative) by meustrus on Friday February 09 2018, @05:26PM (7 children)
You are making a huge mistake assuming that other Republicans agree with you. They don't. It's not a matter of "guts". It's a matter of what their moral and rational minds have always believed to be good policy.
Here are a few examples of policies that have been uncontroversially Republican for a good while now, but which I expect you would consider "progressive politics" anyway:
Not saying that I do or don't agree with these policies. But you'd be throwing out at least half of the Republican party by asserting that true Republicans oppose them.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Friday February 09 2018, @09:37PM (6 children)
Citation please.
For the record there is no american farmer selling crops overseas. They only sell to a local grainery. It's companies like Cargill that make all the markup between the domestic price and the international price and get filthy rich in the process.
An individual farmer would need something on the order of 125,000 acres in production (minimum) [25 million bushes] before any international buyer could seriously consider placing an order against a years production.
Free trade on commodities has almost no effect on the domestic price these days. (Pretty much all the impoverished countries are now self sufficient with regard to domestic cereal production).
There was an Alibaba direct sale of US cherry crop to China a few years ago ... China buyers apparently pay a lot more for cherries.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:27AM
Not strictly true, but true enough for your argument, I think. I have been party to transactions between individual farmers/ranchers and far off business partners. I haven't been party to any overseas transactions, but "international" would include US/Canada deals, as well as US/Mexico, and Canada/Mexico deals. But, the vast majority of farmers/ranchers tend to sell their product locally, because their financing and other debts are local. If the banker loans you twenty thousand against your season's harvest, you are kind of limited to arrangements that your banker approves of.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:37AM (1 child)
Pretty much all the impoverished countries are now self sufficient with regard to domestic cereal production
In some places, crop yields are already down due to climate change.
Growing zones for crops are shifting toward the poles.
I heard someone on Pacifica Radio ("Alternative Radio"?? "Letters and Politics"??) talking about how there is a trade in virtual water via grain markets.
Things didn't sound all that self-sufficient to me.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:46AM
I don't know what THIS spring will deliver (been a lot harder this winter: much colder and a lot more snow... like when i was a kid, not like lately), but the last few years has seen a longer growing season here in Canada: moved up a whole 'planting zone', whatever it's called.
I like it! :)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by meustrus on Monday February 12 2018, @07:17PM (2 children)
From my local newspaper: Iowa corn farmers tell Trump: 'Don't withdraw from NAFTA' [desmoinesregister.com].
Commodity producers are a little smarter than you seem to think. They might sell local, but they know enough about the distribution chain to know that a lot of their product ends up overseas.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Tuesday February 13 2018, @06:24AM (1 child)
That isn't true for Iowa corn, hence the huge ethanol subsidies, that's all local production. Include silage and domestic animal feed and that accounts for pretty much all the Iowa production.
From the article
NAFTA participation isn't going to do f* all to fix that. If Iowa is selling corn below cost to Mexico and Canada that is itself a violation of NAFTA anyway (selling below cost is called dumping). We call them commodities because there is no 'market differentiation' on these productions. Mexican corn and Canadian corn is just corn on the commodities market. Same as Iowa corn and Nebraska corn ... it's just corn.
https://www.iowacorn.org/media-page/corn-facts/ [iowacorn.org]
9% of Iowa corn leaves the state of Iowa. A *very* *very* small portion of that may even leave the country ... say 1%.
All told ... NAFTA participation by the US (as it is implemented today) is net loss for Iowa, not including the ~1% of Iowa corn that sold at a net loss.
(Score: 2) by meustrus on Tuesday February 13 2018, @02:46PM
I'm not here to argue that NAFTA in particular or free trade in general are good or bad for agriculture. I'm here to argue that NAFTA in particular and free trade in general is favored by Republicans, especially farmers, in the state of Iowa and likely throughout the entire corn belt.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @08:08PM
Never been to Maine, I take it? Yes, there are some recent invaders, but they really don't identify much with their place of origin.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:38AM (1 child)
Do you understand that every single rational person dismisses you immediately as soon as you start throwing "cuck" around? That somehow manages to be even lower and less sophisticated than third-grade schoolyard banter.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @07:54AM
The origin of the term is revolting, but it does make an excellent metaphor. It's only a tad off due to some definitions of the non-metaphorical cuck not requiring the cuck to consent.
Here, a cuck is one who willingly allows himself to be exploited by others who are not related to him. For example, handing over this great nation to a bunch of foreigners instead of leaving it exclusively for the benefit of the next generation of normal (cultural, legal, etc.) Americans.
Metaphorically, there are no conservative cucks. Even with the original sexual meaning, if you rounded up a bunch of willing cucks and checked their politics, you wouldn't find a non-liberal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @02:55PM (1 child)
What about it?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday February 09 2018, @05:06PM
It would be more positive to be accepting of $somethingElse rather than to reject $something.
In order to positively embrace $somethingElse we must first peacefully destroy $something and eliminate all of its supporters.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Friday February 09 2018, @03:56PM (1 child)
This all seems so familiar for some reason.
"And it looks like the Republicans in Maine, if not in Illinois, are rejecting the alt-right."
http://bluesbrothersofficialsite.com/images/F85760195.jpg [bluesbrothersofficialsite.com]
I hate Illinois Nazis!
(Score: 3, Funny) by chromas on Friday February 09 2018, @06:14PM
Good movie, but don't you think it's about time some d-list comedians got together and made a reboot?
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @04:31PM (45 children)
I honestly was hopeful when I read the summary. I thought there would be some decent comments here and a general agreement with the Maine Republicans. Obviously I was mistaken, you alt-righters crowing in this thread are ideological cannibals.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Sulla on Friday February 09 2018, @05:01PM (44 children)
I don't know anybody that is to the right and doesn't agree with tfa. The problem is no matter how much you say that or say you dislike the kkk and their ilk the left will never believe you. While Arist makes a article sub about this in a post on death monkey's journal he equates pro-business people and neo-nazis.
You are a Nazi!
No I reject them
You support the kkk!
No I reject them
But you are still a white nationalist!
No I reject them
But you voted trump!
No I did not
Got you there you support business
Yeah a do
Nazi!
And if I start rejecting business im sure I will be branded a nazi for not supporting a 40% incme tax, and after that because I drive a truck, and after that because I had kids, and after that because I dont openly identify as a marxist.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 09 2018, @05:57PM (12 children)
I don't know anybody that is to the right and doesn't agree with tfa.
This Nazi running on the Republican ticket for Congress disagrees. [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 09 2018, @05:59PM (1 child)
Hint: If you'r the leader of the American Nazi Party it's not us liberals labeling you as a Nazi.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @05:24AM
This URL is the tiniest bit better.
https://soylentnews.org/~DeathMonkey/journal/#journalgeneric [soylentnews.org]
...but, as soon as you make another journal entry, that will degrade, pushing the item you want folks to see further down on the stack.
Here's the form of the URL you'll want to use next time:
https://soylentnews.org/~DeathMonkey/journal/2974#journalgeneric [soylentnews.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Friday February 09 2018, @06:24PM (9 children)
How I meant it was "dont know anybody irl" but wasn't sure of a way to say that where the sentence structure didn't feel weird. I dont know anybody in/from illinois irl.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 09 2018, @06:32PM (8 children)
You specifically mentioned my journal....
You are such a slave to your team you are willing to support an actual Nazi. Not a pro-business guy, or a Republican, an actual [snopes.com] Nazi. [adl.org]
Artistarcus' point is that you don't need to...
(Score: 2, Informative) by Sulla on Friday February 09 2018, @06:55PM (7 children)
Is what I said. I am not going to say I will vote for some random Democrat just because he is not the literal Nazi who is running for the same seat. At the same point I would not vote for the self proclaimed Nazi. I have in the past and will probably in the future vote for my local Dem candidate for the congress, Defazio has been pretty okay and most of the people running against him suck. But I would rather vote for none of the above then use my vote for the lesser evil.
Is what Arist said. He is equating people who are pro-business and people who are white supremacists. He said this when this article we are posting in response to right now was probably in the que. Regardless of how often or how hard a conservative might refuse Nazis, you will continue to find something to demonize them with until they believe everything the same as you. People like you are backing the right into a corner where their basic beliefs in individualism, entrepreneurism, religion (for some), and way of life (hunting/fishing) makes them the same thing as Hitler, what possible response do you think they will make when you do that?
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 09 2018, @07:20PM
Regardless of how often or how hard a conservative might refuse Nazis,
Try refusing the Nazi first then see how I react.
'Cause all you've done so far is defend him with obvious false-equivalency.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday February 09 2018, @08:11PM (5 children)
Stop covertly supporting Nazis? Refudiate both the alt-right and Sarah Palin? That is what I expect. If Waldo County Republicans can do it, so can you, Sulla!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @09:34PM (4 children)
What do you have against Sarah Palin? Are you sexist? I'm with her.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday February 09 2018, @10:14PM (2 children)
I used the Palinism, "refudiate". So I kind of had to throw her into the ring. A substitution for Ronald Reagan.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:49AM (1 child)
So just to be clear, are you accusing Ronald Reagan of being a Nazi/white-supremist?
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:33AM
Yes, to be clear. Reagan was for gun-control, in the face of the Black Panther's assertion of their right to open carry and self-defense. Pretty fricking white of him. And more than that, Reagan was the beginning of the downfall of the Republican party, the Prop 13, Grover Nyquist, anti-welfare, but deficit spending for the military is fine, kind of Republicanism, which seems to be triumphing (or just Trumping!) today. This is why, Sulla, you ignorant slut, if you are pro-business, you are a Nazi. How much clearer do I have to make it for you? You are an Oregonian, for God's sake!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:20AM
It's not about sexism, it's about being anti-moron. Perhaps that's discriminatory too, but I prefer those in the political sphere to at least have half a brain.
Just sayin'....
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:33AM (30 children)
That is why you never explain. You never apologize. You can't reason with an SJW, so there is no reason to interact with them at all. If you EVER apologize for so much as stepping on an SJW's toe, he/she will take that apology as an admission of guilt, and come at you even stronger. If you explain anything, they twist your words, and throw them back at you.
Never explain. Never apologized. Never make excuses. Never even acknowledge them as human. And, most certainly, never fuck one. She'll keep the kid, and brainwash the kid to hate you.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:40AM (29 children)
Sounds like you're speaking from some experience with an ex, Runaway...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @11:09AM (28 children)
I did mention the woman who wanted me to impregnate her, but wanted me to sign a no-nuptial agreement. I did mention that I told her "No". I didn't have to experience the whole heart breaking thing to realize only a fool would agree to it. You seem to have a short memory . . .
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:16PM (27 children)
LOL, no, I don't recall you ever mentioning this one. Thanks for doing it now, though. Holy hell, this explains a lot about why you feel the way you do about women. Have you Gone Your Own Way (TM) yet?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @09:10PM (26 children)
Everything "explains a lot" with you, 'Zumi. Everything. Each new tidbit of information "explains a lot". It's kinda like, for you, it's a new world, each and every day!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @10:38PM (25 children)
Maybe I should say validates or corroborates a lot, then :) I really ought to give my intuition more credit than I do.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @11:20PM (24 children)
No, you ought to just listen, and stop passing judgement. You seldom know WTF you're talking about when you make some arcane pronouncement in regards to Runaway. Even when you have some idea what you're talking about, you still miss the mark with your stupid SJW presumptions.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 11 2018, @03:35AM (23 children)
And you're referring to yourself in the third person now, just like our wonderful stable genius president. Holy spicy sheepshit with extra onions, boy, you are *losing it.* If you hadn't already lost it ages ago anyway. Deny, deflect, project; I've seen this dance before.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 11 2018, @08:30AM (22 children)
Dance? Again? You're going to continue with pointless trollbait insults, and I'll respond with more pointless bullshit, until the conversation devolves into shit soup which NO ONE, not even us, can make sense of? Wasn't that extremely satisfying the last time around? Except, you want sheepdip flavored with onions, this time? We can arrange for that to happen.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 11 2018, @03:44PM (21 children)
Thanks for admitting early on that all you contribute is shit this time, at least...we're done here. Every time you fuck up, admit something you didn't mean to, and get called on it, you pull this Republican bullshit again. How much contempt do you have for the site's userbase if you think we all can't tell this?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 11 2018, @04:21PM (20 children)
You DEMOCRAT!! FFS, talk about contempt, WTF are you referring to as a republican? You act like retarded shit doesn't happen on the other side, you act like all I can be is D or R - you've just GOT TO continue trying to stuff an octagonal peg into the fucking triangular hole. Then you talk about contempt? You've claimed to be the 92nd percentile, then you babble like a retarded redneck? CONTEMPT?!?!?! Stop acting like the base user, and maybe you'll earn some respect.
You need to get our of the house, and do something useless. Try finding this dog - http://fatpita.net/?i=1727 [fatpita.net]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 11 2018, @04:47PM (19 children)
Holy shit, looks like I triggered something, Jesus. I'm an Independent, not a Democrat.
Thanks, again, for doing my work for me. I can always count on you to go completely apeshit over something utterly unexpected and expose to the entire site what a volatile, explosive mass of complexes and paranoia you are.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 11 2018, @05:44PM (18 children)
Nope, you don't get away with that. My voter registration clearly states that I'm independent. If you can call me a republican, then you are a demoncrat. Don't act surprised that I'm an independent - I've often expressed my contempt for both parties. I have alluded to the fact that the R's disgust me a little less than the D's - but I have never expressed anything but contempt for the two parties, or for the two party system. You take your own "independent" nonsense, and mix it with your douchewater or something. You can't respect other people's positions, you'll get no respect for your own.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 11 2018, @08:26PM
A stupid, ignorant, redneck hillbilly Independant, with strong Republican tendencies and lots of contempt. You have earned ours, Runaway! You are now officially contemptable! Kind of a step up from just "Deplorable". Congratulations!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 11 2018, @10:42PM (16 children)
Your positions mostly do not deserve respect, and those that do are basic common sense any civilized human being ought to have. You freaked the fuck out up there, too; you're right on the verge of exploding. Get help before you go postal and murder someone.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday February 11 2018, @11:04PM (15 children)
And, who are you to decide that one position or another is worthy of respect? Check your privilege, girl. You don't get special consideration because you are female, or gay, or liberal, or Catholic, or abused, or 92nd percentile, or whatever the fuck else you base your privilege on. At the end of the day, you're just another dumb twit with an opinion. And, opinions are like assholes - everybody has one, and they all stink.
Among the things that you must do to earn any respect, is to stop trying to act superior - because, you are not.
If you need to read body language to get the full impact of a person's statements, you may assume that my middle finger is pointed into the air, at you, at this moment.
I am running out of places to hide bodies. I really don't want to dig up the Indian graveyard to dump you. Maybe I'll just hire someone. Thanks for the advice.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 13 2018, @04:41AM (14 children)
Why in the unpronounceable name of Cthulhu's unholy eldritch betentacled asshole would I want your respect? If you started approving of me, I'd be seriously worried, given how completely warped you are. No, I'll take your disapproval and be happy about it; it means I'm doing something right.
Put down the coffee, take a deep breath, and quit flipping your monitor off. You're full-on autism-screeching triggered and it's completely inappropriate to the situation.
So are the implied death threats, by the way, and these may also constitute a crime. Though as long as you're making them, I double...no, triple-dog dare you, with not one, not two, not three, but a whopping *seven* cherries on top. That's right, seven. Count 'em: ichi, ni, san, yon, go, roku, nana. Seven. Put your money where your frothing, trembling mouth is, Runaway.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 13 2018, @03:20PM (11 children)
I'm googling for a subcontractor as I type . . .
Be sure to call the FBI, and alert them to my "death threats". Imagine your embarrassment when they tell you, "Trolling lesbians online is not a crime!" Not that I really think of you as a lesbian - I actually think of you as just a dumbass broad. Is "dumbass broad" raciss?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 13 2018, @09:56PM (10 children)
Shhhh, let him do it. A wise man, I forgot who, one said never to interrupt your opponent while he's busy destroying himself.
I predicted within fewer than half a dozen of his posts, all the way back when, that he had this type of personality and would do far more harm to himself than anything anyone else would or could do to him. He manages to surprise me now and then with just *how* unstable and self-destructive he is, but so far everything's going according to predictions, just faster than I thought.
The dumb son of a bitch could easily stop this whole humiliation conga by just shutting the hell up, but another part of his personality is that he's incapable of it. Not for the same reasons, say, Trump is--he's not a narcissist as far as I can tell--but because he's inflamed and swollen and in pain, mentally speaking. I'm giving him the key right here, and I'm sure he'll read it, and he'll STILL KEEP POSTING, because that is how a Runaway do.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 13 2018, @11:04PM (9 children)
Now you're talking to yourself?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 14 2018, @03:38AM (8 children)
You just...keep...replying. You could make the pain stop by shutting your flapping foodsucker for once in your life, but no. You need to have the last word so, so, so badly.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 14 2018, @02:50PM (7 children)
Again - I'm enjoying your pain. We have this wonderful sado-masochistic relationship, you and I.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 14 2018, @08:43PM (6 children)
What pain? I'm sitting here laughing my newly-size-12 ass off at you. I know it's wrong, it's "not nice," but as of last year I decided, to Hell with it, some people deserve to suffer when they make their own problems.
Imagine what kind of havoc you'd suffer if I were actually deliberately trolling you!
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 15 2018, @02:07AM (5 children)
"my newly-size-12 ass"
What does that have to do with ANYTHING?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:08AM (4 children)
About as much as specifically being gay has to do with the illegality of those death threats you made :)
Come on, you triggered cuck, threaten to kill me or have someone kill me again, and *follow through this time.* You talk a lot of shit, now put your money where your fat mouth is. Unless you're just another washout from the Chairborne 101st Division of course.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:28AM (3 children)
ROFLMAO - no one made any death threats. You SUGGESTED that I get "professional help". And, I told you that it might be a good idea. You're so screwed - did you call the FBI yet? Better get on that!!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:53AM (2 children)
"I am running out of places to hide bodies. I really don't want to dig up the Indian graveyard to dump you. Maybe I'll just hire someone. Thanks for the advice."
This, and the following post where you mentioned finding a subcontractor, are implied threats. Put your money where your mouth is and follow through. You have already been issued the triple-dare-with-lotsa-fruit-on-top, and as I'm sure you remember from fourth grade, no one may refuse the same and retain his or her honor :D
Or could it be you're just a fat blustering windbag who talks big behind a keyboard because there's no real-world consequences for your yapping? Nawwww, couldn't be...not Runaway...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:55PM (1 child)
This is why you can't keep up. Anal retentive nonsense keeps you here, whining about my sense of humor, when you should be elsewhere, castigating me for abusing the Japanese, the Indian, and now the German cultures. Anal retentive - hmmmmmm - I wonder if that's the proper term for people who keep their heads up their asses?
In the words of a famous action figure in a famous movie and series, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHQGqxOyMFk [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 15 2018, @08:08PM
You just can't get out of your own way, can you? You always have to have the last word, even if it means you step on a landmine and go full autism-screecher. Don't you understand that the more you post the worse you make yourself look?
Ah, well, it's cheap laughs.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 13 2018, @03:23PM (1 child)
Oh, wait, I almost missed that. Nana's cherry? Did I do that? I'm not admitting to anything, but can you describe your Nana? I don't mean what she looks like today, she's probably an old broad now. What did she look like when I supposedly got her cherry?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 13 2018, @09:58PM
You forgot your anti-dementia meds again, didn't you? :) Omae wa, mou shindeiru...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Funny) by mrpg on Friday February 09 2018, @04:48PM (3 children)
He is free!
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday February 09 2018, @06:28PM (2 children)
For anyone not getting it, my sig originated with mrpg in IRC.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @01:08AM (1 child)
You're a bit like those extremely anti-gay republicans who actually are gay, eventually getting caught picking up dudes in airport restrooms.
The difference is of course that you are a supposed leftist who is obsessed with the KKK and Nazis, projecting that evil onto the alt-right. Why the obsession? Are you trying to suppress your own urge to go all Hitler? Are you afraid that you might buy a dozen guns, then shoot up a black church? Deep down, you aren't certain you can control yourself. One day, you might give in to the urges.
What can be done to get you to gracefully accept yourself? You may need a way to slowly come out of the closet. An important thing to figure out if if you are racist, alt-right, or both. Being both is hard, because you'll get rejected by both sides. If you want to be all racist and socialist, there are a handful of minuscule little groups that still put on the cool uniforms and march around. Nationwide, they would probably get 2% more members if you joined. If you'd rather be alt-right, step 1 is to find a non-urban home where you can fly the American flag without fear of assault. Go do that, move, and then install your flag on your porch or lawn.
I wish I had a better answer for what to do if you are both racist and alt-right. Maybe you could keep separate friend groups. Be sure that you don't have any photos get tagged on Facebook, because that would let the two groups learn your secret.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday February 10 2018, @07:38AM
Oh, AC, you have no idea! Have you checked out my bio on Wikipedia? Do you even know who you are dealing with? Evidently not. So let me explain.
I have had a rather lot of experience with tyrants. Not so much me, but my homeland, my patria, Samos, had its acme under the dictator Polycrates. But he tried to arrest Pythagoras, who fled, first to a cave in the mountains, and finally to the city of Croton in Italia. So I only want to point out what I have seen many times before, having lived for almost 2400 years. This sort of racist bullshit does not ever end well for the people who promote it. I mean, "Boetia for Boetians!" We all know how that played out. "Gaul is for Gauls?" Caesar came, saw, and conquered. But this is really the point, knowledge, understanding, science, these are universals that unite all persons, regardless of their origin. How do you think that a lowly Samian, such as myself, got to study with the greatest minds of the world at that time, in Alexandria?
And you mention America? Well, the country has some good ideas, but all of them are pulled from Greek thought on politics, with a healthy rejection of the Roman imperium. But really, America is insignificant, in the long view of history. It could be great, but actually it cracked during the Spanish-American War, if not in the Mexican-American War of 1847-8. Traitor to its own principles, America is. And this resurgence of racist politics is just re-affirming the same. The Alt-right are evil, they are destructive of civil society, they are false, duplicitous, and degenerate. You will soon understand the truth of my words if you do not change your course, "Americans".
(Score: 2) by fritsd on Friday February 09 2018, @05:15PM (6 children)
I think the problem for moderate Republicans is, that because of the First-Past-The-Post voting system, your political parties can't split and merge and re-define themselves for changed times. It's all basically too broad to give the voters any real choice between alternatives.
If you could somehow fix that, then it could become trendy to vote for the political party that you actually like most, like in normal countries.
I have an idea, but it's probably ridiculous:
form a "Reform the Voting System" party, that promises (in writing) 2 things:
1. Reform of the US Constitution so that FPTP is replaced by PR ("one person one vote"), and
2. Immediate disbanding of the "Reform the Voting System" party followed by new elections with the improved system.
That wouldn't get rid of money in politics per sé; but shortly after you'd find out how many people would vote for a fringe "Money out of Politics" political party. See it as a precondition.
Politics is described as "the art of achieving the possible" (which implies: together in coalition with other politicians from other parties that you really don't like), but in the US and UK it looks more like Frankie Goes To Hollywood's video clip of "Two Tribes".
Normal people don't always disagree; they can co-operate, as well. But their leaders in the US and UK set a bad example for the youth, because of the nature of the system.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday February 09 2018, @07:00PM (5 children)
Moderate Republicans are called Democrats and have been since the early 90s.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Touché) by slinches on Friday February 09 2018, @08:12PM (4 children)
Since you're the expert, who do I vote for to get a smaller federal government and more autonomy on the state and local level?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:17AM (3 children)
At this point? Mr Smith and Mr Wesson.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:37AM (1 child)
What do you have against Sam Colt? You some kind of bigot?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:48PM
I have yet to see a 3 person presidential ticket. Sorry your guy didn't make it in, work harder in the primaries next time!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @05:51AM
The Four[1] boxes of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. [google.com]
Azuma fears we have exhausted the possibilities of the peaceful ones.
[1] These folks have managed to identify five. [nolanchart.com]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @05:31PM (6 children)
the psyop has been so effective now the republicans have to write posts detailing how they are sooo not nazis because zombies now equate anyone not in their ideological group(or what they've been told it is) as an image of a nazi which itself was a psyop from days past. oh the webs we weave when we practice to believe.
it's all diversion and subversion of the people's resistance to their global tyranny.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @08:46PM (5 children)
Funny how you have it backwards. The psyops going on is from the alt-righters. They are trying to take over the mainstream Republican party and they are using every opportunity to represent YOU! How come there is no outcry from conservative outlets about the actual nazis? There are muslims who actively condemn terrorist groups / activities and who reach out to support victims of such. I see little to none of that from conservatives. Could it be the problem is wider than you think?
Not that every Republican is a nazi, but a shit ton of them are on the spectrum of racist and the most that is done is paying lip service to "nazis are bad". I'm sure a ton of this perception is due to mainstream media trying to keep the population divided, but on this site I still don't see much outcry and often I see views which are nazi-lite.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @11:14PM
The other day, I saw a completely serious comment that included a link to an article written by actual Nazi. Not nazi-lite, not a Breitbartian, an acutal Nazi [wikipedia.org].
Here's the comment [soylentnews.org], BTW.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:43AM (3 children)
You tend to see what you want to see. In recent months, we had someone to register using the name of some half-greek-half-Italian Nazi bitch from the days of World War 2. She spouted hatred for all non-whites. I think she hated gays, or maybe that's false memory. Anyway - she was way, way, WAY over the line, and many of us more conservative people denounced her. I've forgotten her name - but others more familiar with the real woman can probably point you to the account.
Open your eyes. Republicans/conservatives want nothing to do with Nazism. The left has some kind of mass delusion going on, which makes them believe all Republicans are Nazis, but that is only a delusion.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @04:53PM (2 children)
I actually read the article, did you forget the topic of this discussion??? Or you just want to point out the painfully obvious? I was making a broad generalization since that is apparently OK to do for groups with millions of people. If all Muslims are evil then all Republicans are Nazis. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @09:24PM (1 child)
I bought two cakes . . .
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 11 2018, @07:17AM
Yeah, two Nazi cakes!! And the "Christian" baker didn't even blink, did he?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Friday February 09 2018, @07:20PM (2 children)
So does criticizing your candidates ideas mean voting for someone else?
I mean, yeah, lots of people don't like racist bigots, but if they vote for them anyway...
If this guy is running for office, then the post makes sense. If he's just saying "Don't criticize our candidate, just his ideas" then it's propaganda. From the summary I can't tell which, and since I'm neither a resident of Maine nor a Republican, it's rather irrelevant. It will be a long time before I vote for a Republican again...they've got to recover some decent idealism that they had when they identified as "The Party of Lincoln". These days I wouldn't even trust a "Rockefeller Republican" to have any idealism that was decent, and that was about the last time the Republicans showed any. (No, I don't think Regan was a good guy. Neither was Rockefeller, but he had *some* good ideals. Regan didn't. Reagan was an actor with Alzheimer's...and knew how to show a good [B movie] act. I rather admire his "Evil Empire" speech, but not as politics.)
The ideals that the Republican Party used to have were killed by the Supreme Court decision that said cities could not discriminate in favor of residents when providing social services. That killed "We care for our own" at the local level, and turned it into a race to the bottom, because no place can afford to be the most generous for the entire country. And the Republicans not only didn't denounce the ruling, they supported it (quietly).
Don't get me started on the Democrat betrayals. I'm sure not claiming that they've usually been much better...just with different problems. But they've still got some ideals, even if they don't often live up to them.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 10 2018, @12:46AM (1 child)
Idealism? How would you rate "a chicken in every pot" as an ideal?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:03PM
It's not great, but it's a lot better than the opposite.
The Republicans used to be for local control whenever possible, and then state level control, but always in the context of caring for your neighbors. That always implied, but never stated, "more than those far away", but this is a practical necessity. If you go back, it was a wing of the Democrats that supported segregation in the South. They were identifiably separate, and got called Dixiecrats, but they were an accepted part of the Democratic party. During the 1960's the Democrats decided this was a bad idea, and then nobody wanted the bigots, so Wallace started his own party just for them. Later they pretty much merged with the Republicans.
Now the Democrats have generally been about the federal government intervening in social matters, and the Republicans have generally been against that, but the last Republican who actually seemed to believe that was Eisenhower. Ever since then they've used it as a rhetoric smokescreen to grab greater control. And at the federal level Republicans have been essentially without ideals other than "I've got mine, Jack...". This attitude has filtered down to the state level, and thus corrupt politicians have found the Republican party more congenial than the Democratic party. Which has increased the problem.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 09 2018, @08:00PM (1 child)
It's like those extremely anti-gay republicans who actually are gay, eventually getting caught picking up dudes in airport restrooms.
The difference is, here we have a supposed leftist who is obsessed with the KKK and Nazis, projecting that evil onto the alt-right. Why the obsession? He's trying to suppress his own urge to go all Hitler. He's afraid he might buy a dozen guns, then shoot up a black church. Deep down, he isn't certain he can control himself. One day, he might give in to the urges.
When he makes the news, remember you heard it here first.
(Score: 3, Informative) by mrpg on Friday February 09 2018, @10:03PM
The shadow, said celebrated Swiss psychiatrist C.G. Jung ... is the unknown ‘‘dark side’’ of our personality–-dark both because it tends to consist predominantly of the primitive, negative, socially or religiously depreciated human emotions and impulses like sexual lust, power strivings, selfishness, greed, envy, anger or rage, and due to its unenlightened nature, completely obscured from consciousness.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/201204/essential-secrets-psychotherapy-what-is-the-shadow [psychologytoday.com]
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Friday February 09 2018, @10:47PM (4 children)
The idea that Conservatives and Republicans face Left, accept the frame of the Left, and seek the approval of the Left is not newsworthy. It is the basis of Conservative thought since Edmund Burke. The mark of the Conservative is they seek to slow the advance toward the Sunny Uplands of History, having a goal of their own is explicitly non-Conservative. So when they denounce heretics it is entirely normal and expected.
What IS new is that the heretics are now in large enough numbers to matter. The heretics explicitly reject the fundamental premise of Conservatism, which is why they themselves labeled themselves the Alt-Right, for an ALTERNATIVE Right to the existing cucked version that believes "noble defeat" the highest goal it can aspire to. We want to actually win. We actually want to defeat the forces of darkness and survive.
What is dangerous is failing to see reality for what it is. White people are the only group NOT practicing identity politics and it is why we are going extinct unless we either join the game or convince the others to stop. One of those options is within our control and a reasonable path, the other is not. "Civic Nationalism" might in fact be possible in some hypothetical world, what is not subject to debate by anyone who looks clearly upon the current landscape the reality that it currently isn't working. If you plan to reply and dispute my assertion be prepared to demonstrate a non-white racial group that doesn't vote Socialist by at least 75%.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 10 2018, @06:44AM (3 children)
Can you define "white people" for us here at home, J-Mo?
If you mean people of Caucasoid lineage, that includes Arabs and Persians if I remember right. If you're talking more about culture than race or genetics or ethnic origin, *say so* and we can talk from there. It sounds to me like you're more anxious about the social values you associate with certain Western populations of Caucasians disappearing that actual pale-skinned people.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 10 2018, @09:22AM
if I remember right
You're doing just fine.
The evidence says that to get from Africa to Europe, humans passed through the Middle East.
...and the latest bit of that DNA evidence says
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Sunday February 11 2018, @03:41AM (1 child)
No. We all know, look at the Census figures, look at who gets a negative die modifier on employment, college admissions, etc. Those are the white folks.
Science isn't currently allowed to ask the question, so it is at least assumed to be true by the Prog enemy, but it is highly probable that culture and biology co-evolved. If so it means there is a biological component that explains why assimilation isn't working. But even if there isn't, since we currently do not even TRY to assimilate new immigarnts, we tell them America is evil and needs to be destroyed. So until that changes we really need to push for zero.
Don't start a pointless debate about the particular numbers, just the first ones I found. Similar depressing results abound, Google provides. But it shows that if you expect to live in a Western style civilization, immigration needs to stop for at least a few generations.
Smaller government?
White: 62%
Asian & Blacks tied at 36%
Hispanics: 23%
Gun?
Whites: 53% yes
Latinos: 60% no
Blacks: 63% no
Asians: 76% no
"Hate Speech" laws?
White: 35% for, 43% against (appalling btw)
Blacks: 62% for, 14 against
Hispanics: 50% for, 24% against
If we allow America to go the South African path we will get the same result, an unfree Hellhole followed by outright genocide.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 11 2018, @04:59AM
So it never occurs to you that maybe the ethnic minorities are voting against these things because they damn well know those laws would be used against them? Immigrants ain't stupid, J-Mo. I grew up in NYC, and was a massive ethnic minority everywhere I lived: Flushing, the Bronx, Harlem, you name it. It was very interesting and humbling, if sometimes also dangerous, to be white when damn near everyone around me...wasn't.
Most of the rest of your post is the usual limp-wristed pearl-clutching attacks of the vapors you people on the loonie right seem so prone to.
Now, this is not gonna make me popular here, but I actually do think we ought to shut down most immigration, though in my case mostly because I see Big Corps (TM) using it to do an end-run around employing Americans. In particular, I'd like to see a ban on emigration from *actual* terrorist countries, something Trump's ban specifically does *not* do, what with allowing a free pass for the Saudis.
But to shut down immigration entirely is stupid. Do you know what we should be doing with it? *We should be brain-draining our geopolitical rivals.* We should be making this place attractive to the kind of person who'd otherwise go on to be Iran's or Russia's or China's breakthrough weapons engineer or CPU designer.
Of course, to do that would force you to abandon most of your nativist ideas, and admit that human is human is human, that culture is NOT biology, and that it's entirely possible for someone to hold values not commonly found within their ethnic group.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...