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Late last month, a YouTube celebrity couple hid in their closet and called police while an armed, deranged fan ransacked their home.
Christopher Giles, who police described as "single, lonely and disturbed," had made the 11-hour drive from Albuquerque, according to documents filed in the 2nd Judicial District Court. And his phone was full of notes suggesting he had "developed a fondness" for the woman, Megan Turney, and a dislike of her boyfriend, Gavin Free.
Turney, 30, was made famous through her video blogs on anime, relationship advice and her life. Free, 29, is the co-host of a YouTube video series of slow-motion videos.
[...] According to that search warrant affidavit, around 3:40 a.m. on Jan. 26, Turney and Free awoke to the sound of breaking glass and a gunshot. They hid in their bedroom closet and called 911 while Giles searched their home for them.
When he couldn't find the couple, Giles left, encountering Austin Police Department officers on his way out.
The officers found Giles backing out of the driveway in his Lincoln sedan with a New Mexico license plate and ordered him to stop.
Instead, they heard a single gunshot coming from the car. An officer returned fire.
Giles was pronounced dead on the scene, a .45 caliber handgun near his hand, according to the affidavit. Turney and Free were not harmed.
[...] "Based on the footage seen it was apparent that Giles' sole intent was to cause harm to someone who resides there," the detective wrote in the complaint.
[...] Albuquerque Police Department detectives who executed a search warrant on his home in Albuquerque said Giles lived alone and was "an avid player of video games and was known for watching YouTube videos that were centered on his hobby."
(Score: 3, Disagree) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:38AM (16 children)
As a social worker working with suicidal men, let me say that nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide. Suicidal thoughts come like unbearable wave and the only thing required to save a life is to let that wave pass. Once the wave passes we can work on why it came. Once a guy called me and said he is holding a bottle of poison and he is going to commit suicide. I told him that I am very busy and is it possible to delay the suicide for next 2 hours? 2 hours later the wave had subsided and he was rational.
Is it also why it is extremely important to have friends to talk to, even if they are just listeners.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Arik on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:12PM (15 children)
You're wrong. I even have a link extremely handy for you, courtesy of anon above.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/7326304/City-executive-delayed-suicide-so-wife-could-claim-life-insurance.html
Now maybe the people *you* have encountered and worked with haven't. Likely so. Someone that's made their mind up isn't going to be contacting a social worker. But the world is larger than the bubble of you passing through it.
"Once a guy called me and said he is holding a bottle of poison and he is going to commit suicide."
Yep, that was a guy that wanted attention, not exit. He may have been depressed for whatever reason, he might have been genuinely *thinking* about suicide, *contemplating* suicide as a possibility (and likely moreso fantasizing about how the various people in his life would be affected) but he's certainly not made up his mind to do it, in fact he's clearly looking for any shred of an excuse to put it down, which is why he called.
Now remember I was responding to the guy that said "Suicidal people sometimes appear happy, for the reason that they have come up with a solution to all their troubles. If your friend or loved one should start giving away all their possessions, shoot them with a tranquilizer gun, capture them in a butterfly net then deliver them to a Psychiatric Intensive Care Unit." That doesn't sound to me like someone that's going to be calling the hotline looking for an excuse to stop, it sounds like someone that may have made up his mind to leave, and my question was what gives you the right to assault them like that and force them to stay?
Did you have anything to say relevant to the context?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Troll) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday February 14 2018, @04:17PM (13 children)
I stopped reading after 'you are wrong' because I actually got trained by professors of psychology.
(Score: 3, Touché) by insanumingenium on Wednesday February 14 2018, @05:22PM (11 children)
What exactly is that appeal to authority supposed to prove?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:07AM (10 children)
Not everything is supposed to be about proving something to you. I did a training, I helped save lives, I told what I learned now you want to argue about it. Great!
Next in line: Don't vaccinate your children because doctors are not an authority!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @03:58PM (4 children)
Only your own viewpoint matters, and you'd rather be happy than competent.
Got it.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Thursday February 15 2018, @04:17PM (3 children)
Is there a sudden reading comprehension failure here? The opinion is of a psychology professor who conducts training, vs something off the internet.
Suddenly I feel like I am surrounded by spurned ex-lovers.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Saturday February 17 2018, @04:02AM (2 children)
Possibly. If so, by you. It's clear that there's a general logic failure going on - by you.
> The opinion is of a psychology professor who conducts training, vs something off the internet.
Now google "appeal to authority", which isn't your greatest logical falacy here. Your most egregiious logical falacy is one I like to call "bad fucking logic".
You say: "All X is Y"
Someone says: "I know of an X which is not Y"
You lose.
Thats's it.
Then you throw in appeal to authority just for good measure.
Your argument is categorically proved false just with one counter example.
If you can't tell the difference between "all" and most/many, please, just stop making pronouncements on the internet.
You are the "something off the internet" that you wish us to spurn.
Happy to oblige.
> Suddenly I feel like I am surrounded by spurned ex-lovers.
Nineteen and a half years and still going strong, here. Two houses and two businesses shared we're both so confident that there's no likelihood of any split down the road. Yourself?
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Sunday February 18 2018, @09:00PM (1 child)
Dude, I am not "proclaiming" anything but it is very clear you want to win very hard. I reiterated something that I was trained into. Get it? Read that sentence again? If you have such a scratch to itch go scratch it for all I care; I can't go talk to a suicidal person next time by unlearning what I have been taught because some dumbass armchair self-proclaimed psychologist convinced me on soylentnews otherwise. Get it?? Probably not.
Damn, it is difficult to talk to people you have outgrown! Bye bye!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Monday February 19 2018, @12:02AM
I say argument, singular, as all three of us have identified the same flaw in your argument.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1, Troll) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @04:53PM (4 children)
You can never support an argument that nobody wants something. When that was pointed out you indicated that you wouldn't even read the comment because you has some sort of training, and I am sorry, but that is a logical fallacy, it has zero bearing. You aren't automatically correct because you "did a training", that doesn't support the position that you stated.
You are obviously proud of helping people, that is a great thing. I don't even disagree that most suicidal people just want attention, I disagree with the idea that we should listen to your opinions stated as facts unquestioned because of some unspecified training. You aren't being harassed here, you spouted utter bullshit, and when people politely pointed that out you got defensive. We didn't hunt you down to tell you you were wrong, you came to us. And while we are at it, thanks for the bonus straw man at the end there.
If you decide that you would like to come back to the table, I for one would love to hear your response to Arik's question.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:11PM (3 children)
You keep repeating the word 'argument'. The only person arguing is you.
If you think this statement is 'flat untrue': "nobody has 'made up their mind' to commit suicide" then I am sorry to have messed up with your therapy. I cannot believe the so called nerdy website with apparently veteran slashdotters are saying that believing a over something I read over internet is 'appeal to authority'.
People like you are the problem. First of you think that suicidal people are seeking attention, then you assign that statement to me. Fuck you! What are you talking about dude? Are you talking about yourself?
The table is in your head. Do something to take it out and join the normal people.
(Score: 2, Troll) by insanumingenium on Thursday February 15 2018, @09:44PM (2 children)
You keep responding, and keep telling me I am wrong, call it what you want.
I am not sure what my therapy has to do with thinking that you can't make blanket statements about the intentions of every suicidal person ever. I am not sure what what second sentence was supposed to mean, but I don't know how to interpret you repeated comments about training and professors as anything other than an appeal to authority.
You 100% have me here. I didn't mean to assign that statement to you, I was being overly casual with a common description of people lacking serious intent. That was an oversight on my part
What I was trying (poorly) to say was that you can not categorically deny that there are people with serious and reasoned intent to commit suicide. And no, I am not talking about myself, thanks for the concern.
Again, not 100% clear what that was supposed to mean. You keep responding, so I do, seems like we are having a discussion to me. I would still love to see your professional thoughts on Arik's question, I trust it would be more reasoned and meaningful than ad hominem attacks.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Sunday February 18 2018, @08:52PM (1 child)
Exactly, every conversation is an argument that you must win. Again, didn't read any further. Let me know if you find therapy helpful. tc
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Monday February 19 2018, @04:28PM
I don't see how that statement can apply to me any less than you. What you don't seem to get, I am not "winning" here, I am demonstrating that you are flat wrong, a process that will continue until you stop responding or repent of your idiocy. Still not sure who you expect to impress by claiming you aren't reading things.
Also, thanks for all the troll tags, they make it 100% clear to all observers what is going on here.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday February 14 2018, @07:06PM
There's your problem!! ;)
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 15 2018, @01:06PM
I've attempted suicide, I've been where the poison guy was. Saying he wanted attention was both correct and incorrect. I wasn't looking for publicity, I wanted someone to tell me I was worth it. I knew I was a scummy worthless piece of shit who didn't deserve to live. Everything I tried ended in failure and constantly being depressed only made the people around me uncomfortable. I needed someone I respected to tell me "Nope, you're actually ok and you won't be wasting a shrink's time if you talk with one nor would you be preventing them from saving someone who mattered instead of wasting time on you." I never got that so I poorly tried to kill myself. I didn't have enough enthusiasm in anything to do a good job at it.
The energy to kill yourself comes and goes, but the depression stays around (unless you're bi-polar).
So yes, may suicidal people crave some attention, but don't mistake attention for publicity. We'd more prefer a deeper connection than 15 minutes of fame. Of course everyone is a little different...