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Sweden will do whatever it takes, including sending in the army, to end a wave of violence that has seen a string of deadly shootings, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said in Wednesday.
Sweden's murder rate is relatively low in international terms, but gang violence has surged in recent years and Swedes are worried that the police are unable to cope.
In 2016, the latest year for which official statistics are available, 106 people were murdered in Sweden, a country of 10 million.
But Swedish TV reported there were over 300 shootings, mostly in turf battles between gangs over drugs, protection rackets and prostitution.
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Swedish PM Does Not Rule Out Use of Army to End Gang Violence
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @09:25PM (10 children)
Soylentnews forgets what hard tech is and what a good article about technology is. Instead, soylentnews uses click-bait articles about highly-charged and emotional issues like politics, religion, environment, and sexuality. Fortunately for us, their subscribers are all experts in these areas and have already solved all the world's problems. Just look around at the high quality of the postings on this site and the intelligence of the posters here, and you will agree there is nothing quite like it on the internet except for maybe 4chan, reddit, and other similar websites.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @09:40PM (5 children)
No we don't. The green site was always in favor of free speech and that really matters when open and frank discussions are threatened on mainstream platforms. I've posted this list elsewhere [wikipedia.org] but I ask you; what's the point in discussing emergent and future technologies if this is what our future is going to look like? How about fixing the problem and then getting right back on track?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @09:54PM (1 child)
What is wrong with this Malmo place that makes that article read like a world war 2 battle?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @11:52PM
The first major city off the bridge from Denmark?
The southernmost, most temperate, city where one can get Swedish benefits?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @11:47PM (2 children)
There is free speech and then there is a bunch of idiots posting on the internet. Completely different things. Review some of (most of?) the comments on this site and ask yourself, honestly, what soylentnews brings to the table to elevate discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:07AM
Curious question from someone who simultaneously claims not to understand the point of discussion. At least I'll do the courtesy of assuming it was a question suffering from premature question mark but I think you already know the answer. [youtu.be]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @03:15AM
We should appoint you to a government position, where you will have the authority to decide what is news, and what is not news. And, you should have the authority to make that decision for all public forums, including Soylent. That way, we won't be distracted by news stories of women raped and killed in the streets of European cities, or babies tossed into the air and caught on bayonets, or mass graves - oh, wait - that was Nanking. That kind of thing couldn't happen today, could it?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/626925/ISIS-Islamic-State-Flag-Migrants-Europe-Norway-Severed-Heads-Schengen-EU-Jihadi/amp [express.co.uk]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @09:43PM (3 children)
Ironically, your comment adds the least to this website.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @09:50PM
It is the new "first post" of political stories.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 26 2018, @10:01PM (1 child)
Rest easy now. You beat him for most useless comment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @04:39PM
You are now 2nd to worst, each new post in this thread steals the crown.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by looorg on Monday February 26 2018, @10:10PM
The article in the link is a tad short, and short on information to say the least. When they talk about sending in the Army (or the military) they are not talking about going in to do some kind of purge with special forces or just the army, even tho there are probably people that wouldn't mind that. There was suggestions from various political parties during the autumn to let the normal national police use the military police as a reinforcement as or when needed. Which technically wasn't new or impossible before, it had just been less of an issue previously. Which naturally sparked various kind of protests for various reasons -- among them being all of the loony identityleftwingers yelling about racism and whatnot.
What has been suggested is military police in the case of riots (which as noted is historically problematic, see below) and as investigative support (mainly this really). Also mentioned is to allow the police to use more of the military intelligence establishments for analysis work where crimes pass borders -- all the guns, drugs and grenades just don't show up from nowhere. Most of it comes from eastern Europe.
The reason grenades got so popular was/is that apparently having a grenade is, much, cheaper then getting a handgun (the upside of gun-control?). Also it was apparently something of a legal grey area that they had not bothered plugging since it had never really been an issue before (being in possession of this kind of military weapon was less severe then having an illegal firearm), that is getting fixed now ... or sometime "soon". Last time this was an issue was in the mid 90's during a 1%-MC-"war" when someone had stolen an anti-tank RPG and used it trying to blow up a Hells Angels club house during the so called Great Nordic biker war (1).
As noted this year is an election year, law and order is probably going to be one of the top issues combined with "what are we going to do with all the immigrants"-issues. So as the PM he probably does not want to have riots again this summer with the hoodlums throwing rocks (and other things) at police, the fire department and the other emergency services. He really doesn't want a repeat of a few summers ago (2013) and the car-bbq images was going on CNN around the clock as he is trying to be all fatherly and winning an election. I'm not sure if the other parties would mind as much since it would probably not hurt them as bad as they would hurt the current PM. Either way currently all the parties, that have any kind of realistic world views and claims to power, are trying to top each other on how much they want to spend on law and order issues -- how many more officers, how many more resources, harsher laws etc. The National chief of police was fired last month, or he was given an offer he couldn't refuse to step down and take another job. He was becoming a bit of a liability the PM did not want to have around as the election cycle was getting started. The new chief of police was recruited from the national secret service.
The main reason for not using the military previously, or why Sweden doesn't have a standing gendarmerie, is probably due to an even that took place in 1931 when the army put down a demonstration last time. They probably didn't want a repeat of that -- demonstrators throwing stones which was met by gunfire and death (2).
(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Nordic_Biker_War [wikipedia.org]
(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85dalen_shootings [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @04:11AM (1 child)
Instead of assigning blame like most of the other posts, how about a solution? Legalize the drugs and prostitution to take them out of the gang's hands. I'd bet money that would help in the long run. In the short run you might get more gang violence as they fight to try to keep control.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday February 27 2018, @06:30AM
There was an article in The Economist around a decade ago, I think, discussing the difference between Germany and Sweden in the way tackled the problem of prostitution and how the results have been different. TL;DR - beginning the 90s feminists convinced the society that prostitution is a women's rights issue and something needs to be done. Germany chose to outlaw pimps but legalize voluntary prostitution but Sweden chose otherwise. The result was that Germany saw a huge increase in prostitution but Sweden saw otherwise. The article argued how Swedish approach was better.
Today I learn that Sweden is having gang wars because of banning of prostitution and military has to get involved, one wonders if the German approach was, in fact, better. May be another decade :)
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @11:56AM (6 children)
That's what Sweden (and France and Germany and many others) need. Hire volunteers with no criminal record and let them "clean" the country with any means they see fit. It will not be pretty but it will be efficient and results in a safe, again well functioning society.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:14PM (2 children)
Have you ever read a Judge Dredd comic (or even seen the movies)? The societies depicted are far from well functioning. You might as well suggest that all countries institute a "purge night" ala the movie "the Purge". Why not just go for Logans Run and terminate everyone above the age of 30 (age varies between the book and the movie)?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:31PM (1 child)
Read the comics, played the pinball.
I admit it was a bit tongue-in-cheek but true nonetheless. If those pro-white & pro-safe-sweden-as-it-was-40-years-ago did the job with legal immunity there's no doubt it wouldn't result in a model society.
Of course it's not going to happen this way but just results in more anarchy until it all boils over for the average Real Swede and shit happens.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:49PM
I gathered as much. It's just that as noted the comic isn't really a depiction of a well functioning society. That said as you have noted I'm almost a bit amazed at people "fleeing" to Europe. Yes they probably think that we are stupid and we have wealth and we are giving it away. They tend to forget that part about how we started two world wars and industrialized genocide. There is quite clearly a limit to how much shit we are willing to take and I wouldn't be all to surprised if that limit is rapidly approaching again, wouldn't want to be non-white and non-christian then -- shit ain't going to be pretty for you if you are not. If we know anything it is that people in general don't really mind a good purge now and then if it's for the right reasons and they have few if any qualms about it. I'm not entirely sure if someone started to shot darkies left and right that a large part of the population would even give two shits, they would probably see it as natural selection or taking out the garbage.
(Score: 2) by Wootery on Tuesday February 27 2018, @03:08PM (2 children)
So you're the kind of person who looks at something like the Indonesian purge of 1965–1966 [wikipedia.org] and thinks That's just what Europe needs!
You're a troll, of course. I know I shouldn't bother.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @06:54PM (1 child)
Not a troll, just a misanthropist. I truly believe Indonesia is now vastly better than it would be had not the mass killings of people with a very harmful ideology happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @09:45PM
You just solidified yourself as an idiot who obviously doesn't pay attention. It saddens me you're probably a citizen of my own country.
(Score: 2) by insanumingenium on Tuesday February 27 2018, @05:15PM (1 child)
So glad a portion of the ACs saw fit to not know how to spell the word muslim, makes it really easy to spot the trolls. I even went and made sure that that wasn't the Swedish spelling or something. Seriously, is that supposed to be a secret islamaphobe handshake or something? Do they not realize how stupid it makes them look?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28 2018, @11:15AM
Learn English, you.