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Isn't that what the government types keep saying?
So why is it that the head of that self-same government doesn't play by those rules? Does he think the law doesn't apply to him?
In my mind, those who are privileged to represent us should be *more* forthcoming and avoid even the hint of any conflicts of interest, illegality or lack of transparency.
Why then does our current administration fear the Mueller investigation? Let's get to the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Which is why it seems odd that our 'fearless' leader is acting like a frightened animal:
A lawyer for President Trump called on the Justice Department on Saturday to end the special counsel investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign, shifting abruptly to a more adversarial stance as the inquiry appeared to be intensifying.
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Mr. Dowd said at first that he was speaking on behalf of the president but later backed off that assertion. He did not elaborate on why he was calling for the end of the investigation, saying only: “Just end it on the merits in light of recent revelations.”People close to the president were skeptical that Mr. Dowd was acting on his own. Mr. Trump has a history of using advisers to publicly test a message, giving him some distance from it. And Mr. Dowd’s comments came at a time when members of Mr. Trump’s legal team are jockeying to stay in his favor.
Hours later, the president echoed Mr. Dowd’s accusations of corruption in the theoretical “deep state” that Mr. Trump has long cast as a boogeyman working to undermine him.
”There was tremendous leaking, lying and corruption at the highest levels of the FBI, Justice & State,” he wrote on Twitter.
In the end, the truth will out. Let's hear it. Whether it's that there was no collusion with the Russians or if there was. That's actually less important than making sure we have the facts.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by cocaine overdose on Sunday March 18 2018, @02:15AM (9 children)
I feel like the
Has been driven into the ground. It's a good sentiment, but it's utterly useless. How many times have people used this argument? How many times has it done anything? Your government doesn't give a shit about you, and while you're arguing about their injustices, they're out there committing more. Is the internet just the opiate of the masses now? You can bitch about your masters and then delude yourself with "in the end, everything will be alright." Just like the Christians in Marx' view, "everything will be alright in the end, so long as I'm good." No, fellow. You will die without dignity if you don't do anything about your masters fucking your daughters.
Maybe that's the point. Give the proles the political bread and circus and let them bitch on the internet. Maybe that's why we have less and less violent political extremism, the internet gives them an escape, where they find others of like-mind. And now, maybe the world doesn't seem so bad anymore, I've got others who think it's bad too! "Should we rise up yet, fellows?... No, we're waiting for Godot." Absolutely disgusting, you don't deserve the dignity of freedom. Noblesse oblige, when you've shown you deserve it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 18 2018, @03:49PM
I don't see why the liberals are so upset anyway. They're still going to get World War 3 even though they can't get over how she lost.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 19 2018, @03:37AM (7 children)
I'd posit that too many people take that same attitude.
"They're all a bunch of corrupt crooks! Well, except my congressperson/senator/whoever I voted for."
As long as we listen to bullshit like you're spewing, we think that there's nothing to be done about it.
Well, there is something to be done. Take responsibility for yourself and carry out the *duties* required of you as a citizen.
When you throw up your hands and complain that they're all corrupt, you've surrendered.
Which I guess is why your handle is cocaine overdose, as you're too afraid/lazy/stupid to realize that you can make a difference.
And unless we demand better leaders and governance, things are going to get much, much worse. And it will be because of poor quality citizens like you.
Shame on you! Your society deserves better from you.
Work for positive change or you perpetuate the very abuses you decry.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 19 2018, @04:25AM (6 children)
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 19 2018, @04:58AM (5 children)
So that means you're a tax evading, white supremacist who engages in various forms of fraud against your fellows [wikipedia.org], right?
You live in a society. If you are unwilling to participate in that society, then you get what other people decide for you.
Knock yourself out. It's no skin off my nose.
I suggest making sure to keep a lot of ammo in the house when those triple-damned thieves from the evil gub'mint come to take their pound of flesh.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 19 2018, @05:22AM (4 children)
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 19 2018, @05:52AM (3 children)
Convert? Are you implying some sort of religious thing here? Hah!
You'll have to answer those questions for yourself, or they're worthless to you.
If you'd prefer to ignore the society in which you live, that's your business. And your responsibility.
As far as you are concerned, what I think doesn't matter. All the same, if you care you can find that out from what I say/have said here [soylentnews.org].
[W|T]hat *you* think is what, I suppose, is important for you.
Do whatever the hell you want. As I said, it's no skin off my nose.
And I shall do the same.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 19 2018, @06:11AM (2 children)
Then the case is closed. Go sell your tuperware somewhere else.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 19 2018, @06:26AM (1 child)
I'll say what I want, when I want. Deal with it.
You are under no obligation to respond -- or even to read it.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 19 2018, @06:50AM
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Whoever on Sunday March 18 2018, @04:58AM (1 child)
Yeah, no one actually believes that.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday March 18 2018, @05:06AM
True enough. But it sure would be nice to see this guy hoist with his own petard.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by tonyPick on Sunday March 18 2018, @02:03PM (3 children)
Yes. and has had his lawyer say so for some specific charges: https://trumpconlaw.com/14-prosecuting-a-president [trumpconlaw.com]
And yes, he is unique in this regard, and many others: Listen to the whole of https://trumpconlaw.com/ [trumpconlaw.com] for details.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday March 18 2018, @02:57PM (2 children)
I'm not sure what your links say, but history says that he's wrong.
At this point we don't have enough information to say one way or another whether any crimes have been committed by L'Orange. As I said, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by tonyPick on Monday March 19 2018, @09:41AM (1 child)
It goes over the possibilities of prosecuting a sitting president, and the legal and practical issues that crop up. The statement by Trump's lawyer that he can't obstruct justice because he's the "chief law enforcement officer" is discussed.
It's really worth following the links to TrumpConLaw: It's the guy behind 99% Invisible talking with a constitutional law professor about the issues raised by DT....
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 20 2018, @05:16PM
The statement by Trump's lawyer that he can't obstruct justice because he's the "chief law enforcement officer" is discussed.
*sigh* Another rerun... [youtube.com] But you can't argue with success, or precedent...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday March 18 2018, @03:40PM (4 children)
You ask:
I say:
Man, the cover ups, the lies, the cheating, corruption, all the eating at the piggery trough...
We ALL need ___BETTER___ people running for government.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 18 2018, @04:15PM
This. The difference between a crime and non-crime in many cases appears to be how many people are out to get someone and how they're will to interpret the law. The Clintons took money from Russian, amongst other foreign business interests that amounts to buying political influence in the US, it was their entire business model. Mega DNC donor, George Soros uses his wealth to interfere in the democratic process worldwide. John McCain took $1M from the Saudi's through his foundation, which explains a lot. [telegraph.co.uk] People in glass houses with no concept of everybody being equal before the law?
If Trump expanded the scope of Mueller probe and drained the swamp, there would hardly be a career politician left standing and Trump would have no allies. Seems politically isolating Trump may be the intent of the entire narrative here. Not a huge Trump fan but this is my reading of events.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 18 2018, @08:12PM
We ALL need ___BETTER___ people running for government.
Yes, well, y'all have a funny way of showing it, what with 95% reelection rates and all. Nothing is going to happen until voters take the initiative on their own, instead of waiting for mass media to spoon feed everything to them. So let's all stop the blame passing and take a look in the mirror, eh?
And to tell you the truth, we find that majority rule hits the brick wall when the majority is a bunch of willful idiots. Plato had it right. It just can't work on the long run. It becomes just as despotic and any other form of tyranny. As we are witnessing at the present time, a mere repeat of events from less than a century ago. It can probably go on indefinitely as long as enough people keep the faith, but it still sucks balls.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by dry on Monday March 19 2018, @02:41AM (1 child)
From the outside looking in, I don't understand how Hillary, being the most investigated person ever it seems, never got charged with any crimes. For years the Republican controlled Congress investigated and investigated and never found anything worth actually laying charges over or any kind of indictment. Is she such a super criminal that she covered up everything? I continuously see various charges against her, Benghazi, uranium deals with the Russians, murders, email servers with deleted mails almost on the scale of Bush and company, pizza shops with dungeons full of sexually abused children the accusation that she is actually left wing and so on. Not one indictment nor one grand jury to examine those charges.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 19 2018, @03:34AM
I don't understand how Hillary, being the most investigated person ever it seems, never got charged with any crimes.
Professional courtesy. Sharks don't eat other sharks. Besides, the narrative on those 'charges' are pure bullshit and a diversion away from the real crimes of torture, drone killings, trafficking contraband, smuggling weapons to terrorists, errrr.. "moderate rebels", etc... and the destabilization efforts in the region in general under the cover of "Arab Spring", and then everybody conveniently continues to ignore the content of the DNC emails, where you find real evidence of election fraud. If it was the Russians that exposed that, then more power to 'em!
Hillary would not go down alone. She could definitely burn the whole house down. We are watching the proverbial assassins accuse the assassin. Real charges would be MAD.
I'm still glad that Hillary lost, but I won't forgive the idiot voters that elected Trump and the lapdog congress! They are to blame for all of this, nobody else!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 18 2018, @04:48PM
re: In my mind, those who are privileged to represent us should be *more* forthcoming and avoid even the hint of any conflicts of interest, illegality or lack of transparency.
If the minister of justice commits a fraud it's a fucking outrage. If some random poor uneducated dood does the same then it should be just the penalty written into the law code. The people we trust should be accountable. New concept in politics unfortunately...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 22 2018, @12:43AM
I haven't seen the truth even do much good.
Just a small list of examples:
Bill Clinton signing repeal of Glass-Steagall (as proposed by leading Republicans), Alan Greenspan
and others manipulate for prolonged lower interest rates, financial companies commit major fraud
in the lending markets,
-- then 2008 meltdown -- truth known, but it does not matter, no one in jail.
GW Bush claiming (along with many others like Cheney) Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction
-- still at war -- truth known, but it does not matter, no one in jail.
Hillary Clinton votes for Iraq War, also pushes for killing the leader of Libya, also obstructs justice
by professionally wiping clean drives related to an ongoing FBI investigation, backs the likely illegal
undermining of Bernie Sanders, this list goes on and on ...
-- truth known, but it does not matter, no one in jail.
In the Washington DC sea of constant criminal activity, whatever the current "Russia scandal" ends up being,
its pretty small potatoes compared to any of the above.
So even if we get the truth (which I doubt), will it matter?
From my observations, not only do most people not care so much about these kinds of issues, they,
for the most part are not even aware.