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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by SomeGuy on Monday April 02 2018, @08:06AM (13 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Monday April 02 2018, @08:06AM (#661365)

    The whole under vs over is actually a perfect example of a user interface where one single way of doing things does not meet every single person's needs.

    Over is typically more convenient. It is easier to grab and roll out.

    However anyone with a cat or toddler may quickly discover that it is TOO convenient, as rolls get unspooled all over the floor. These people will wish hang the TP under-hand, reducing that problem.

    Now, if TP were software then developers would look at the usage metrics, see the majority use over-hand and remove the ability to mount it underhand. After all, metrics tell the entire story, right?

    In the off chance they eventually realized the need they would not back down on their decision and instead introduce a fancy electronic roll-locking mechanism that analyzes wiping habits, dispenses what it thinks is needed which is always wrong, and the collected wiping data is sold to marketing companies.

    And then eventually TP dispensers devolve in to bouncing, bobbing, black, blue LED-backlit, monstrosities that don't even let you get any TP unless you authenticate with their cloud, it verifies you are using it in only an approved manner, and you have not tampered with it in any way such as turning off the blue LEDs.

    Want to go back to the old simple TP holder that just lets you mount it whichever way you wanted? Can't do that, the old ones are "insecure", "bad for the planet", "incompatible with new sewers", or some BS like that.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 02 2018, @12:07PM (2 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 02 2018, @12:07PM (#661406)

    Now, if TP were software then developers would look at the usage metrics, see the majority use over-hand and remove the ability to mount it underhand. After all, metrics tell the entire story, right?

    Maintenance and testing costs of the additional usage mode are too high to justify its continued support. The minority of non-compliant users will learn to do it like everybody else, making support scripts easier to write and enabling future focus on development in more meaningful areas like toothpaste tube usage.

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    • (Score: 2) by chromas on Wednesday April 04 2018, @03:21AM (1 child)

      by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 04 2018, @03:21AM (#662321) Journal

      I see you're in line with the FreeDesktop & Gnome devs. Do you work for RedHat? All you're missing is "why would you want to do that?"

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:55AM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday April 04 2018, @11:55AM (#662436)

        Sorry, "Why would you want to do (such an idiotic and pointless thing as) that?"

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  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday April 02 2018, @04:25PM

    by bob_super (1357) on Monday April 02 2018, @04:25PM (#661554)

    Almost perfect, yet you forgot that the dispenser would take a 15-minute update every third time you use it, occasionally refuse to dispense anything until rebooted twice and reverted to the previous version, and every second week dump the remainder of the roll straight in the toilet without warning (warning will be added later that your paper was deemed "unfresh").
    This will all lead to a new game called synchronized core dumps, which no-one really ever wins.

  • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Monday April 02 2018, @07:28PM (1 child)

    by Osamabobama (5842) on Monday April 02 2018, @07:28PM (#661637)

    I think the venerable car analogy has met its match. This should be forwarded to the standards committee as a candidate to replace it.

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    • (Score: 1) by DECbot on Wednesday April 04 2018, @01:05AM

      by DECbot (832) on Wednesday April 04 2018, @01:05AM (#662274) Journal

      Why bother? Your proposal will just wind up getting flushed down the toilet in the end.

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  • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday April 03 2018, @08:58PM (1 child)

    by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 03 2018, @08:58PM (#662168) Journal

    Spot on for the reasoning for underhanding it. My cats love overhand rolls.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 04 2018, @02:59PM (2 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 04 2018, @02:59PM (#662505) Journal

    However anyone with a cat or toddler

    We've sacrificed a few rolls to toddlers. Ehh, it's all part of raising kids, right?

    I happen to be married to a cat lady. If I raise to much hell about the cats, she'll tell me, "If I have to choose between you or the cats, your ass is gone!" Well - cats. Unlike toddlers, the damned cats will destroy an entire CASE of paper, and go in search of something new to tear apart. I came home once, to find that they had torn into a brand new six pack of paper, that hadn't even been opened.

    I finally had enough, and bought a cheap little cabinet. It has two shelves, between them, enough space to store the largest package of paper normally found in grocery stores. Beneath the shelves are a couple towel rack thingies. Those dowels aren't removeable, so I can't put the rolls on top of those dowels. But, the rolls do lie nicely on top of the dowels. This whole thing is mounted on the wall, within reach of the throne, and just high enough that the cats can't reach it.

    So far, the cats haven't figured out that they might leap, and snag a roll before they fall.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by srobert on Tuesday April 10 2018, @02:58AM (1 child)

      by srobert (4803) on Tuesday April 10 2018, @02:58AM (#664792)

      I'm somewhat of a cat guy. My wife doesn't like the cats as much in part because of things like the toilet paper. She used to say "You love those damn cats more than you love me!" I always responded "That is not true. I don't love the cats any more than I love you."

  • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Thursday April 05 2018, @01:38PM

    by TheRaven (270) on Thursday April 05 2018, @01:38PM (#662905) Journal

    Over is typically more convenient. It is easier to grab and roll out.

    It depends on the dispenser. I prefer under in ones that have a cover that rests on the paper, because the cover then creates a small amount of resistance if you pull slowly and a large amount if you pull quickly, so you can easily tear off the paper by pulling hard. You can't do that with an over configuration unless you have a rear-facing weight.

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  • (Score: 2) by number11 on Saturday April 14 2018, @06:37AM

    by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 14 2018, @06:37AM (#666829)

    Over is typically more convenient. It is easier to grab and roll out.

    However anyone with a cat or toddler may quickly discover that it is TOO convenient, as rolls get unspooled all over the floor. These people will wish hang the TP under-hand, reducing that problem.

    Really? I was always in the underhand school, no idea why except that's how my mother insisted on it. I've had many cats, who were rarely interested. Then I got a cat that found having the TP against the wall meant he could unspool by just doing a scratching motion. So I switched to overhand.

    But that was the cat who knew how to open doors by jumping up and grabbing the door knob (not handle, that would have been too easy) between his paws.