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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday April 08 2018, @02:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the easier-to-check-that-way dept.

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/04/another-day-another-breach-at-what-point-does-storing-passwords-in-plaintext-become-criminally-negligent/

The third largest breach ever just happened in Finland. Passwords were stored in plaintext. At T-Mobile Austria, they explain that of course they store the password in plaintext, but they have so good security so it's nothing to worry about. At what point does this become criminally negligent?


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  • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Monday April 09 2018, @11:29AM (8 children)

    by pTamok (3042) on Monday April 09 2018, @11:29AM (#664362)

    Didn't say it [government] wasn't a necessary evil. I'm libertarian not stupid.

    Would you care to give a précis of what you believe to be the best system for mitigating the necessary evil of government?

  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @01:54PM (7 children)

    Dictatorship moderated through assassination. It's much more likely that one person can remain above corruption than it is that the majority of any group can. If there's a significant risk of getting your head blown off for showing signs of corruption, it's even easier.

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    • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Monday April 09 2018, @08:49PM (6 children)

      by pTamok (3042) on Monday April 09 2018, @08:49PM (#664668)

      Given that you you have applied much thought to this, that's an interesting proposition.

      At first sight, the number of African corrupt dictators and the state of the countries they left appears to argue against dictatorship being the best form of government for those governed.

      Here's a list: Paul Biya, Robert Mugabe, Sani Abacha, Sekou Toure, Siad Barre, Omar Al-Bashir, Hissene Habre, Idi Amin, Hastings Banda, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, Mobotu Sese Seku, Gnassingbé Eyadema, Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo

      Admittedly, two in that list have died under suspicious circumstances, but none of the others were assassinated, however, the parlous state of their countries argues against dictatorship being better than say, the form of liberal democracy practised in many European states and the USA. Brutal dictators appear on the evidence to be pretty good at avoiding assassination.

      If you look at countries with the greatest GDP per head on a purchasing power parity basis - the CIA give a convenient list [cia.gov] if anything it looks like that the successful states are lucky enough to be small financial havens or oil- and/or commodity- rich, and of the successful 'larger' countries we have Singapore, Ireland, and Switzerland (which can be argued to have their own special financial reasons for being rated so high on GDP per capita on a PPP basis), leaving the USA as the top dog of genuine mixed-economy countries, with Sweden and Germany following.

      I suspect that in practical terms, I would likely prefer a way of life under a chaotic/shambolic liberal multi-party democracy than a dictatorship. In any case, thanks for sharing your views.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday April 09 2018, @09:01PM (5 children)

        Oh, you'd need to put more work into the system than just giving someone complete power. Having only one potentially corrupt individual to remove for change to occur is the quickest way to ensure change but it would by no means be easy to ensure the government was structured in such a way as to make it possible when it necessary. I gave a simple answer not a complete one.

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        • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Tuesday April 10 2018, @09:07AM (4 children)

          by pTamok (3042) on Tuesday April 10 2018, @09:07AM (#664869)

          I can imagine complications arise in assuring there in only one potentially corrupt individual. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? [wikipedia.org] and all that. I live in (by some measures) one of the least corrupt countries in the world, yet I see the corrosive effects of influence/networking in many places. I learned at a young age that however much one might dislike politics, you can't get away from it. Many people considerably more intelligent than me have attempted to construct/describe perfect societies, but none, as far as I know, have had a successful implementation.
          While multi-party democracy is not very efficient, it is usually not actively harmful, although it is regrettably easy to find exceptions to this.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 10 2018, @12:07PM (3 children)

            Indeed. A bad democracy, well republic, tends to cause less harm than a bad version of anything else. A good dictatorship/monarchy/etc..., however, does more good than anything else.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Wednesday April 11 2018, @09:05AM (2 children)

              by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday April 11 2018, @09:05AM (#665302)

              Being of a pessimistic temperament (although I could defend it as being realistic), I tend to look at what could go wrong and try to minimise/mitigate that rather than looking at what could go right. Idealism is for the young.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday April 11 2018, @10:34AM (1 child)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday April 11 2018, @10:34AM (#665312) Homepage Journal

                Same here. Thus the thought I've put into systems of government that could be set up in such a way as to begin and remain less shitty than a republic gone south and my concern with the ease of fatal power transfer when it becomes necessary.

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                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Wednesday April 11 2018, @11:21AM

                  by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday April 11 2018, @11:21AM (#665322)

                  OK - thanks for the discussion. It's a pity we don't share a local drinking establishment where I could buy you a few beers (or equivalent if you are alcohol averse).

                  Thank-you for the work you do in making this place available, and where conversations like this one can take place.