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posted by martyb on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:49PM   Printer-friendly
from the first-they-laugh-at-you? dept.

Trump Proposes Rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership

President Trump, in a surprising reversal, told a gathering of farm state lawmakers and governors on Thursday morning that he was directing his advisers to look into rejoining the multicountry trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a deal he pulled out of within days of assuming the presidency.

Rejoining the 11-country pact could be a sharp reversal of fortune for many American industries that stood to benefit from the trade agreement's favorable terms and Republican lawmakers who supported the pact. The deal, which was initiated by the Obama administration, was largely viewed as a tool to prod China into making the type of economic reforms that the United States and others have long wanted.

Both Democrats and Republicans attacked the deal during the president campaign, but many business leaders were disappointed when Mr. Trump withdrew from agreement, arguing that the United States would end up with less favorable terms attempting to broker an array of individual trade pacts and that scrapping the deal would empower China.

Republicans in Congress have also been skeptical of Mr. Trump's tendencies on trade, and 25 Republican senators sent a letter to Mr. Trump urging him to re-engage with the pact "so that the American people can prosper from the tremendous opportunities that these trading partners bring."

Previously: Donald Trump to Withdraw US from Trans-Pacific Partnership
Renamed TPP Signed, Without the IP Rules, Without the USA

Related: "Legal Scrub" of TPP Makes Massive Change to Penalties for Copyright Infringement
US Government's Own Report Shows Toxic TPP "Not Worth Passing"
Australia Leads Charge to Revive TPP While Canada Abstains


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:18PM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:18PM (#666237)

    This is not a surprise. You can read about the technique in "The Art of the Deal".

    Often, the good results don't make the news. For example, consider the tariff issue with China. Trump raises tariffs (still below what China does to us), then China responds, then Trump doesn't back down and announces more tariffs... then China backs down severely. (going to cut back on the demands for Chinese-controlled "joint ventures" with technology transfer) Trump wins again.

    One day Trump is tweeting a threat to nuke North Korea, and soon afterward a face-to-face meeting is being negotiated.

    It's like magic.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by tizan on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:30PM (2 children)

    by tizan (3245) on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:30PM (#666244)

    What did China give so far ...really what has been given up concretely ?
    The trick as always China promises that it will lower tariffs....it has done that several times in the past...
    people take that as a win and stop complaining and nothing happens ...and the Chinese government wins without declaring victory....subtle...but US lose again.

    The Koreans are learning it too....see what will happen...bet you North Korea will still have nukes ..and South Korea will praise Trump for great leadership and North Korea will start recovering its economy without losing any military capability....and China wins without declaring any victory.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @12:13AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @12:13AM (#666256)

      If the Chinese don't deliver, our proper response is obvious: don't deliver.

      We only get problems when we have wimpy unpatriotic presidents and/or too many people in congress who are too severely corrupted by bribes. This is, admittedly, a frequent problem. About half the republicans (none of the democrats) are better though, and will fight for the nation. It isn't even hard: just grow a spine and do what is best for America.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @09:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @09:19AM (#666373)

        the country regularly is Ron Wyden, followed up on the right by Rand Paul (although I've seen him cave more often than Wyden.) Outside of them the rest of the trash in Congress really needs to be scraped out... or paved under. I mean if you can't drain the swamp, you might as well roll out a parking lot over it.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:30PM (#666245)

    TPP "continuing rape of our country" is back, and Lil' Rocket Man successfully hoodwinked the Orange Wizard of Oz.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Friday April 13 2018, @12:27AM (1 child)

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday April 13 2018, @12:27AM (#666263)

    You can read about the technique in "The Art of the Deal".

    Well, yes, I could. You could too. Mr. Trump could as well if he was a reader, but he never has.

    That book was just another licensing deal. Mr. Trump puts his name on it, gets paid some money but actually has nothing else to do with it.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by tonyPick on Friday April 13 2018, @09:59AM

      by tonyPick (1237) on Friday April 13 2018, @09:59AM (#666383) Homepage Journal

      Mr. Trump puts his name on it, gets paid some money but actually has nothing else to do with it.

      That's slightly unfair (not very unfair admittedly, but some)

      Although someone else wrote it that person (Tony Schwartz) did spend some time with Trump
      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all [newyorker.com]

      (TL;DR: Schwartz was hired to write an Autobiography, but decided there wasn't any way to make that work given DT's unreliability. Instead he spent 18 months following Trump around, then writing essentially a fictionalized version of Trump into a book, glossing over the whole "failure and dishonesty" thing. Then slapped Don's name on the cover and pretended it was non-fiction.)

      “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he observed, on October 21, 1986. But, as he noted in the journal a few days later, “the book will be far more successful if Trump is a sympathetic character—even weirdly sympathetic—than if he is just hateful or, worse yet, a one-dimensional blowhard.”
      ...
      Rhetorically, Schwartz’s aim in “The Art of the Deal” was to present Trump as the hero of every chapter, but, after looking into some of his supposedly brilliant deals, Schwartz concluded that there were cases in which there was no way to make Trump look good. So he sidestepped unflattering incidents and details.
      ...
      Schwartz said that when he was writing the book “the greatest percentage of Trump’s assets was in casinos, and he made it sound like each casino was more successful than the last. But every one of them was failing.”

      And it's likely he at least Skimmed the draft:

      It took Schwartz a little more than a year to write “The Art of the Deal.” In the spring of 1987, he sent the manuscript to Trump, who returned it to him shortly afterward. There were a few red marks made with a fat-tipped Magic Marker, most of which deleted criticisms that Trump had made of powerful individuals he no longer wanted to offend, such as Lee Iacocca. Otherwise, Schwartz says, Trump changed almost nothing.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @12:36AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @12:36AM (#666266)

    I love these sarcastic comments as AC touting how much of a genius our president is. And the reference to the book is priceless. Keep it up! I had a good laugh at this. Thanks for cheering me up!

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 13 2018, @02:32AM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @02:32AM (#666305) Homepage Journal

      Well, his posts somewhat balance the other side's post, which harp on the idiocy of Old Carrot Top. How about something near the middle ground, which is more realistic? The man is neither an idiot, nor a genius. His intelligence is probably a few points above normal - I'll call it 105 to 110. He IS however, one of the most privileged people on the earth, and he is out of touch with the needs of the people, as well as the needs of the nation. He's a rather sorry excuse of a president. But, he's certainly not an idiot, nor a genius.

      --
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      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @02:51AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @02:51AM (#666311)

        His intelligence is probably a few points above normal - I'll call it 105 to 110.

        His "intelligence"? Do you mean 'IQ'? It's unknown whether or not we have a method of accurately measuring someone's intellect. Many people assume that that's what IQ is, but that is backed up mostly by some correlations which may or may not have all that much to do with one's intelligence.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @11:00AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @11:00AM (#666407)

          Did your IQ measure a bit lower than you expected?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @02:44PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @02:44PM (#666477)

            No, it measured much higher than expected - almost 50!

            • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday April 13 2018, @06:01PM

              by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @06:01PM (#666552) Journal

              No, it measured much higher than expected - almost 50!

              50 factorial? That's enormous! ;-)

              --
              The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 1, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Friday April 13 2018, @12:56AM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday April 13 2018, @12:56AM (#666272) Homepage Journal

    Very thankful for President Xi of China’s kind words on tariffs and automobile barriers...also, his enlightenment on intellectual property and technology transfers. We will make great progress together!

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday April 13 2018, @09:58AM (1 child)

    by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Friday April 13 2018, @09:58AM (#666382) Journal

    You can read about the technique in "The Art of the Deal".

    You mean the book Trump didn't write, and that isn't true anyway? [newyorker.com]

    One day Trump is tweeting a threat to nuke North Korea, and soon afterward a face-to-face meeting is being negotiated.

    You make it sound like he managed to persuade NK to meet when no other president before him could.
    In fact, The Kims have been desperately trying to get the Americans to meet them for years. Decades, even. They've sent invite after invite and the US has turned them all down [cnn.com], in order to maintain the strength of their negotiating position:
    Because a meeting with the US President is so valuable to the North Koreans, it's always been the American position that it should be reserved for the moment a deal is on the table -- and deliver a significant return.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:17PM (#666491)

      These suckers are neck deep in Stockholm syndrome.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @02:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @02:56PM (#666484)

    China didn't 'back down severely' They mentioned things that they had already mentioned before (and funnily enough didn't actually do yet). Xi has just been made dictator for life, he's hardly going to have his first move after that being backing down to Trump (of all people), even if they want to back down, they are unlikely to.

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday April 13 2018, @05:15PM (2 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @05:15PM (#666526) Journal

    It's not like magic. Re-read what you describe.

    My take is this. Come off as highly unstable, vindictive, unpredictable, unreliable and that nothing you say can be taken very seriously. This will make people afraid. They consider what you do and what you say. Then realize, that you could do anything, damn the consequences -- even to the US.

    Create fear in people by building the perception that you are mentally unstable and could do anything.

    --
    If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:38PM (#666538)

      My take is this. Come off as highly unstable, vindictive, unpredictable, unreliable and that nothing you say can be taken very seriously. This will make people afraid. They consider what you do and what you say. Then realize, that you could do anything, damn the consequences -- even to the US.

      Create fear in people by building the perception that you are mentally unstable and could do anything.

      < rolling eyes >Yeah, those are exactly the qualities one would want in a leader.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @10:04PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @10:04PM (#666641)

      I'm not sure this is a strategy per se.