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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:42PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @05:42PM (#673433)

    You always say it isn't "real" socialism when a socialist gets into power and fucks everything up. You want to disavow Venezuela.

    Well, suppose you are right. Somehow that isn't real socialism, even though they claimed so and you were praising it before shit hit the fan. OK. Fine. How are we supposed to identify "real" socialism, telling it apart from all the not-real socialism we always get? Every time we try socialism, we get the same shit. We get people lined up outside of empty stores. Why should we try again? Can't you see that this would be, at best, risky?

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  • (Score: 2) by UncleSlacky on Monday April 30 2018, @02:08PM (2 children)

    by UncleSlacky (2859) on Monday April 30 2018, @02:08PM (#673730)

    The defining tenet of socialism is ownership of the means of production by the workers themselves. This is not and has never been the case in Venezuela, or pretty much anywhere else, so no, "true socialism" has never been tried.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Dr Spin on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:43AM (1 child)

      by Dr Spin (5239) on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:43AM (#676010)
      No. Thats communism. Not saying that socialism is the solution.

      However, I am sure there must be a middle path between:

      the government rowing the ship of state (socialism)
      the government letting the ship of state go wherever the (economic) winds happen to blow it (conservatism)

      I advocate the government steering the ship of state - preferably away from rocky shores (liberalism - UK definition)

      --
      Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!

      • (Score: 2) by UncleSlacky on Monday May 07 2018, @08:45PM

        by UncleSlacky (2859) on Monday May 07 2018, @08:45PM (#676781)

        > the government rowing the ship of state (socialism)

        "Socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does the socialister it is." - Carltural Marks

        Nope, sorry, communism is the end result, socialism (social ownership of the means of production) is the method for achieving it. Marx himself used the terms interchangeably.

        There can be no "middle way" - either the MoP is privately owned (capitalism) or socially (socialism). A "healthy mix" that retains private property is still just capitalism with a few sops to the poor to stop them from revolting (welfare).