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Say a friend of yours gets a job in the US, would you recommend him to move or not? Why?
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(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 29 2018, @11:19PM (4 children)
Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans were killed by socialism in the UK. Just this past week, Alfie took 4 days to starve. Charlie died last summer.
In each case, group of people running hospitals in the UK decided that they should die. (totally not a "death panel", right?)
In each case, the parents had been offered free care in other countries. (Charlie in the USA, and Alfie in Italy)
In each case, the UK hospitals prevented the parents from taking their children to get that care. The parents couldn't even be there as their children died.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/27/single-payer-health-care-denies-care-sick-children-like-alfie-evans/ [thefederalist.com]
Before Hitler started killing Jews, he killed people like Charlie Gard and Alfie Evans. Know your history. The disabled, both physically and mentally, were first to be killed.
To be clear, it isn't the "Nationalism" of the "National Socialist" (Nazi) party that causes this. It's the socialism. Socialism always leads to the killing of undesirables because they are a burden on the socialist system.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 30 2018, @07:38AM
Over ten thousand people die from preventable medical issues every year in the US because they don't have adequate access to healthcare, often because they cannot afford it. This is the context that you completely ignore. Even if you can point to several cases of single payer systems screwing up (and I'm sure you legitimately can), the US system is so much worse.
Then there are the medical bankruptcies that happen frequently in the US. You manage to get care, but then are stuck with crushing debt. Great.
I'd say people being denied health insurance because of preexisting conditions - which was allowed before the ACA - qualifies as a "death panel." People being unable to seek medical help because they know they can't afford it also qualifies. But you don't seem to care about either of those.
You focus on some bad things in single payer systems while completely ignoring the much worse issues in our for-profit price-gouging fake free market system. You are a profoundly dishonest person, and your propaganda is rancid.
(Score: 4, Informative) by isostatic on Wednesday May 02 2018, @09:08PM (1 child)
No they didn't. It was judges that decided it, not people in hospitals you idiotic twat
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 03 2018, @04:45AM
Sure, judges get involved at some point, but they are rubber stamping what the hospital wants. Judges aren't going to get involved in medical issues any more than minimally required.
Hospital: "We should starve this baby to death. It is best for her."
Judge: "According to the hospital, it is best to starve the baby. It shall be done."
(Score: 2) by bootsy on Wednesday May 16 2018, @08:49AM
It wasn't socialism in the Alder Hey Hospital case. Socialism kept the baby alive for the length of time it was. The parents could never have afforded the cost of the intensive neonatal cot that kept him alive, expecially not for that length of time.
The issue is more on the libertarian authoritarian axis. In the UK the state often thinks it knows best i.e. not being able to take children out of school during term time even though you may be taking them somewhere where they may benefit educationally e.g. viewing ancient Greece/ Rome etc. It's often called the Nanny State by right wing leaning tabloid newspapers but there is an element of truth in it. UK politics doesn't really have the libertarian element in it and when it does it tends to be associated with the right wing. We don't have a main stream left wing but libertarian party.
In several recent high profile cases the NHS has said to parents that they cannot treat their children privately. In the case of Alfie it was costing the state a lot of money and blocking an intensive care resource that is scarce. It was actually in the tax payers' interests to let Alfie be "treated" elsewhere. I very much doubt he would have survived and I think the Doctor's opinion on survival was correct but I believe that his parents had the right to take him elsewhere. I don't believe they had the right to keep him on in Alder Hey indefinitely being paid for by the UK taxpayer.
A horrible situation for everyone involved and I hope the family find peace and get another chance at being parents.