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posted by martyb on Friday May 04 2018, @08:50AM   Printer-friendly
from the Nice-Big-CoC dept.

Rafael Avila de Espindola, one of the top contributors to the LLVM compiler toolset, has cut ties with the open source project over what he perceives as code of conduct hypocrisy and support for ethnic favoritism. In a message posted to the LLVM mailing list, de Espindola said he was leaving immediately and cited changes in the community.

LLVM project founder, Chris Lattner responded; "I applaud Rafael for standing by his personal principles, this must have been a hard decision." Lattner also insisted that "it is critical to the long term health of the project that we preserve an inclusive community."


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by MostCynical on Friday May 04 2018, @09:51AM (1 child)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Friday May 04 2018, @09:51AM (#675562) Journal

    but not including *him*

    "You have the right to think anyway you like except..that way..."

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday May 04 2018, @10:20AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 04 2018, @10:20AM (#675566) Journal

      "And this, too, shall pass away."

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:19AM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:19AM (#675565)
    Welcome to the brave new world of reverse racism [wikipedia.org] where your skin color can determine if you can get a job or not, or if you will be considered for a position at a school. Sound familiar?
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday May 04 2018, @10:23AM (6 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 04 2018, @10:23AM (#675568) Journal

      Sound familiar?

      Nope. I skipped the 'diversity and inclusiveness' training, wrote some piece of code in those 3 hours.

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:58AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:58AM (#675583)

        What color was your code? I make sure my editor colors all my words differently so I don't offend anyone.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @11:41AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @11:41AM (#675597)

          Is your background editor color black? Because, you know, some people might find that offensive

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @01:19PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @01:19PM (#675632)

            My editor's background is a shade of grey.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:10AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:10AM (#676003)

              How many?

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:31AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:31AM (#676022) Journal

            Yes, it is - inverted color scheme. Has nothing to do with inclusiveness, though.

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        • (Score: 4, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Friday May 04 2018, @12:31PM

          by LoRdTAW (3755) on Friday May 04 2018, @12:31PM (#675614) Journal

          White on black is how I roll.

    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by realDonaldTrump on Friday May 04 2018, @11:27AM (13 children)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday May 04 2018, @11:27AM (#675590) Journal

      A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. I think sometimes a black may think they don't have an advantage or this and that. I've said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by bobthecimmerian on Friday May 04 2018, @11:47AM (12 children)

        by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Friday May 04 2018, @11:47AM (#675601)

        I know you're a consistent troll, but that's bullshit. In 2011 a university did a study with college student graduates, submitting their resumes to various businesses for job applications. On 50% of the resumes they had names like "Tom" and "Jane" and on 50% they had names like "Saahd" and "Shanequa". The traditional names got the overwhelming majority of callbacks and phone calls.

        The idea an educated black has a huge advantage is nonsense. Poverty levels among blacks in the US are still dramatically higher than among whites, as a percentage. There are just more poor white people because we're still the largest demographic by a big margin.

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Friday May 04 2018, @12:08PM

          by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday May 04 2018, @12:08PM (#675608) Journal

          http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/ [fortune.com]

          In 1989, [Donald Trump] told Bryant Gumbel in an interview, “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market…if I was starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really do believe they have the actual advantage today.“ In fact, all the serious studies refuted that. However his statement did serve as a kind of shout-out to those who were ignorant about the racial dynamics in the U.S. economy.

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        • (Score: 5, Informative) by unauthorized on Friday May 04 2018, @01:33PM (1 child)

          by unauthorized (3776) on Friday May 04 2018, @01:33PM (#675637)

          Did they also control for "foreigner effect" by testing historically European non-American names like Astrid or Jaroslaw?

          No? Right. Either the study is bullshit or you are disingenuously misrepresenting the conclusions.

          • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday May 07 2018, @12:34PM

            by TheRaven (270) on Monday May 07 2018, @12:34PM (#676621) Journal
            The original study had a number of flaws, most notably not controlling for socioeconomic index associated with names. Unfortunately, several follow-on studies by others have shown that there's a noticeable difference even when you do correctly control for these things.
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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:22PM (#675663)

          On 50% of the resumes they had names like "Tom" and "Jane" and on 50% they had names like "Saahd" and "Shanequa". The traditional names got the overwhelming majority of callbacks and phone calls.

          And yet American blacks have not yet received the message that dooming their children with stupid made up names that look like the leftover letters from a bad game of scrabble is poison to their long term success. It's almost like they don't want them to succeed.

          I once had a young black lady working for me that wanted to be called by her Anglicized name variant rather than the stupid version her mother gave her. I always felt bad for her because she tried so hard to "act white" but she was held back by her culture right down to the abusive, cheating, black boyfriend. She was a nice girl and a good worker.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by choose another one on Friday May 04 2018, @02:37PM (2 children)

          by choose another one (515) on Friday May 04 2018, @02:37PM (#675669)

          > On 50% of the resumes they had names like "Tom" and "Jane"

          So all they proved is that name discrimination happens rather than racial discrimination, oh, and that they are idiots.

          Name discrimination isn't racism and besides, most places your name is a choice (unlike your skin), and you can change it from the one your parents lumbered you with if you want to. In fact it is my understanding that some of my own ancestors anglicised their names.

          Now, making the unwarranted assumption that people called Tom or Jane can't be black, _that_ might be racist, and is probably offensive to people like:
          http://www.blackpast.org/aah/mcallister-dr-jane-ellen-1899-1996 [blackpast.org]
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @06:11PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @06:11PM (#675787)

            Wow, such self serving ignorance. You really want to pretend that it is simply name familiarity discrimination? We have words to describe people like you and they aren't nice.

          • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Friday May 04 2018, @08:02PM

            by Pino P (4721) on Friday May 04 2018, @08:02PM (#675828) Journal

            Name discrimination isn't racism and besides, most places your name is a choice (unlike your skin)

            That's true provided that you live in a common law country (Five Eyes, Ireland, and South Africa) or a country whose name change laws resemble common law (e.g. Norway), and you're an adult, and you haven't recently moved to a different region (state, province, etc.). Some jurisdictions set a minimum age for name change at 16, 18, or 19, and/or require having lived in the same region for three months.

            It's generally harder to change one's name in a civil law country, as these countries presume that a name change is to evade taxes or other debt. In some cases, you actually have to sue your city government.

            Source: "Name change" on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

        • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday May 04 2018, @02:54PM

          by Arik (4543) on Friday May 04 2018, @02:54PM (#675679) Journal
          This is hilarious.

          Your argument depends on the unspoken assumption that *names* are an aspect of "race!"

          And I bet you don't even realize YOU are the racist.

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 04 2018, @05:22PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 04 2018, @05:22PM (#675747) Journal

          So, change your name to something more traditional. Or, at least use a "professional" name. I probably wouldn't call Shanequa. I certainly wouldn't call anyone whose name was obviously misspelled. And, yes, there are dozens of names on birth certificates that are obviously misspelled. If the parents didn't take their child seriously enough to learn how to spell some common name like "Samuel", or "Beverly", I can't believe the offspring is going to take life, or their job, seriously.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @08:52PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @08:52PM (#675843)

          First of all, if I saw a name like "Saahd", my assumption would be Arabic. But anyway...

          Those names tell me that you reject the highly productive culture of the USA and even western civilization. Your mom might be at fault, but you probably learned your culture from her and anyway you could have changed your embarrassing name.

          Black people can be OK. Ghetto people are not OK, even if they aren't black.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:24AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:24AM (#676020)

            That is exactly what I thought! This would not stop me adding the person to the interview list though. We have an unspoken quota for "minorities" who comprise 1/5 of the human race, occupy several of their own countries and who somehow need to be given jobs in our county because ...diversity? (Do I get cut a break if applying for a job in one of their x majority counties? After all, I would be a "minority" there)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:05PM (#675878)

          Duh... if the blacks had learned anything in their "education" then they would have changed their ghetto names and started using "Tom" and "Sue" instead. The workplace is no place for politics.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:48PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:48PM (#675677)

    Chris Lattner is the LLVM project founder, Tanya Lattner is the one who announced the cooperation with the discriminist "Outreachy" org: http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2018-February/121161.html [llvm.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:16PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @10:16PM (#675882)

      So Chris Lattner is transgender? This is getting confusing...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @04:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @04:03PM (#676084)

        If it is the latter, could more transgender people please go with the female version of their given name, or provide at least a 1 year signature of their transition? It would be fucking helpful for keeping track of who's who, just like changes in online nicks or handles.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:56PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @02:56PM (#675685)

    Gnome Foundation - Current state of Foundation finances - Friday 11th April 2014 23:32:12 UTC

    From: Ekaterina Gerasimova [archive.is]

    Due to a shortfall in the budget, the Foundation board voted on 2014-04-08 to freeze all expenditure which is not essential to the running of the Foundation...

    The issue has been caused by a number of factors. These include increased administrative overheads in the last few years due to the increased turnover which has been caused by to the Outreach Program for Women (OPW), and the associated payments going out while the associated income has been slow to come in.

    From: Karen Sandler [archive.is]

    GNOME would never have been able to support the program to date without the reserves it already had in place.

    Outreachy and Outreach Program for Women are the same organization. [kernelnewbies.org] So this same organization

    1. forced Gnome staff to leave as soon as they came in

    2. spent up Gnome's budget

    3. recruited likeminded people into Gnome who would support doing the same thing, since that's how they got their jobs

    4. were backed by mysterious outsiders who offered a bribe and never paid up

    The leaders of Gnome were bribed to hand over the leadership of their foundation to outsiders. The whole situation was corrupt as hell. The same thing is happening to LLVM now, and look at the narrative that is being set down: "this guy must hate diversity. He hates women." It's the same bullshit excuse every time, exactly like Gamergate.

    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Friday May 04 2018, @09:00PM (1 child)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Friday May 04 2018, @09:00PM (#675847)

      4. were backed by mysterious outsiders who offered a bribe and never paid up

      The leaders of Gnome were bribed to hand over the leadership of their foundation to outsiders.

      Way too little too late, but *finally* Microsoft is starting to get the 'extinguish' part of their act together.

      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:12AM

        by jmorris (4844) on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:12AM (#676004)

        Too late indeed. Microsoft is now basically an Indian IT company. Gates and Balmer cashed out long ago.

    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:19AM (2 children)

      by jmorris (4844) on Saturday May 05 2018, @07:19AM (#676007)

      Their mistake was having excess money and no defenses against hostile takeover, that attracts SJW locusts like rotting meat attracts flies and maggots. Now, having consumed the excess resources at GNOME they are moving on. LLVM has powerful and deep pocketed backers, the SJWs assume they can extract a fresh stream of resources from them.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:19AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:19AM (#676018)

        Fork it and start again?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @10:51AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @10:51AM (#676033)

          No, just nuke it from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @03:05PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @03:05PM (#675691)

    Where volunteer workers accept a nose ring install and cower in fear before the non-contributors that invade their projects. Kudos to Rafael and others who have the courage to say "You're not playing your stupid games on my back!".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @03:17PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @03:17PM (#675696)

      How much of the limp resistance to SJW entryists is due to a fear of potential blowback to their bread-and-butter jobs at SJW controlled companies?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @06:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @06:14PM (#675791)

        You loons are too much.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @05:17PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @05:17PM (#675745)

    "it is critical to the long term health of the project that we preserve an inclusive community."

    What does allying with an discriminatory outreach program have to do with inclusiveness? Lying whore.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @07:08PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @07:08PM (#675817)

    Anyone that wants me to merge their pull request has to include a slur against a protected group in the request. Thus, if you care more about your virtue-signalling than your code, I can reject it and send them on their way with a Sam Adams quote.

    No muss, no fuss, no SJW drama, fork it if you don't like it. Compiler doesn't discriminate between white code and black code.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @12:36AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @12:36AM (#675922)

      No muss, no fuss, no SJW drama, fork it if you don't like it. Compiler doesn't discriminate between white code and black code.

      Exactly

      Anyone that wants me to merge their pull request has to include a slur against a protected group in the request.

      Pandas are gayer than traps but have heteronormative urges which is why they evolved black eyes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:16AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 05 2018, @08:16AM (#676017)

      Future code compilers will have a dna checker dongle witch will provide the information to stir in the repository allah skin color sex eye color etc and set contol bits such as Teh Evil Bit accordingly*

      * This can change over time; up to 2000 skin != white may have set this one way but now it may set it the other

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