And, I don't know a damned thing! I think coding is all Greek, to be honest. Maybe I could code a little if it could be done in everyday, common American English.
"Computer, I want you to set up a bunch of ships. Some are hive-minded Aliens, others are alien mechanoids, then there are human pirates, and the final faction is ME! And, we're all going to war among ourselves, with no alliances between the factions. Make it really easy to start with, then a little harder, then really hard. We'll discuss all the various weapons, armor, computers, engines, etc as we go along. Get that set up, so I can play this afternoon!"
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 22 2018, @04:40PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday May 22 2018, @04:40PM (#682699)
I think coding is all Greek, to be honest.
Wrong. Many programming languages don't even accept Greek letters! :-)
They tried letting people code in common, American English, and came up with something called COBOL. The real difficulties in programming stem not from syntax as was believed at the time. The programming world learned shortly afterwards that human natural language is actually a crummy means of expressing mathematical abstractions, which is what computer programs actually are at their core.
-- Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.
I was going to say Runaway was talking about Warhammer 40K, but now I'm intrigued by the connection between W40K and COBOL. So is the COBOL PROCEDURE DIVISION the equivalent of the God Emperor? And then by extension if Trump is the God Emperor, that means... Trump is COBOL?
Both COBOL and AppleScript demonstrate that it is possible to make a language that managers can kinda-sorta understand. It makes them feel like they are managing better.
AppleScript in particular can seem to be almost like English text. But it is not nearly so easy to actually write that way. You have to really understand the grammar to write AppleScript. Non coders read AppleScript and think they can write some of their own. Only to fail miserably. I don't know if that also was the case with COBOL.
But speaking of COBOL, it's said that Java is the COBOL of the 21st century. It's true. And for the same reason: the sheer economic value of all the enterprise Java code means that the JVM platform, and JVM languages, and even the Java compiler and language itself, will be around for a long time.
-- If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
I was writing some SQL once, working out how to fix a problem. The (non programmer) person I was working with, kept saying things like "can't you just ask it for this", "can't you just write such and so", etc.
Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. There is a very specific grammar and very specific rules. Well written code just looks like you can understand it by reading it. It is also possible to write bad code.
-- If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
The Mighty Buzzard (TMB) is SN's resident code guy, who updates and tweaks the slashcode the site is based on. My post was pure smartassery, because I don't code. TMB has never taught me anything, because I can't be assed to learn to code.
-- Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 22 2018, @03:41PM (15 children)
And, I don't know a damned thing! I think coding is all Greek, to be honest. Maybe I could code a little if it could be done in everyday, common American English.
"Computer, I want you to set up a bunch of ships. Some are hive-minded Aliens, others are alien mechanoids, then there are human pirates, and the final faction is ME! And, we're all going to war among ourselves, with no alliances between the factions. Make it really easy to start with, then a little harder, then really hard. We'll discuss all the various weapons, armor, computers, engines, etc as we go along. Get that set up, so I can play this afternoon!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 22 2018, @04:40PM (4 children)
Wrong. Many programming languages don't even accept Greek letters! :-)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 22 2018, @04:56PM (3 children)
Do they accept Visa?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday May 22 2018, @05:39PM (2 children)
No, only Mastercard, because it's everywhere you want to be.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 4, Funny) by DECbot on Wednesday May 23 2018, @05:16PM (1 child)
You see, that's a problem. When I'm somewhere I don't want to be, I'd like my credit card to still work because I'm paying to GTFO of there.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday May 24 2018, @03:33PM
Then don't rely on CC to work.
Bring plenty of good hard currency.
Rubles
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 5, Informative) by stormwyrm on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:55AM (5 children)
Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.
(Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:20PM (1 child)
I was going to say Runaway was talking about Warhammer 40K, but now I'm intrigued by the connection between W40K and COBOL. So is the COBOL PROCEDURE DIVISION the equivalent of the God Emperor? And then by extension if Trump is the God Emperor, that means... Trump is COBOL?
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:05PM
Yes.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday May 24 2018, @03:16PM (2 children)
Both COBOL and AppleScript demonstrate that it is possible to make a language that managers can kinda-sorta understand. It makes them feel like they are managing better.
AppleScript in particular can seem to be almost like English text. But it is not nearly so easy to actually write that way. You have to really understand the grammar to write AppleScript. Non coders read AppleScript and think they can write some of their own. Only to fail miserably. I don't know if that also was the case with COBOL.
But speaking of COBOL, it's said that Java is the COBOL of the 21st century. It's true. And for the same reason: the sheer economic value of all the enterprise Java code means that the JVM platform, and JVM languages, and even the Java compiler and language itself, will be around for a long time.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Saturday June 16 2018, @10:09PM (1 child)
SQL can seem to be almost like English text.
Looks are deceiving.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday June 18 2018, @02:48PM
I was writing some SQL once, working out how to fix a problem. The (non programmer) person I was working with, kept saying things like "can't you just ask it for this", "can't you just write such and so", etc.
Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. There is a very specific grammar and very specific rules. Well written code just looks like you can understand it by reading it. It is also possible to write bad code.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 4, Funny) by KritonK on Wednesday May 23 2018, @07:00AM
Ὄχι, δὲν εἶναι!
(Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Thursday May 24 2018, @03:12PM
You mean Geek?
Like, code, it's all geek to me.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06 2018, @08:47PM (1 child)
What's a TMB? Nothing Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] could offer looked reasonable.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 07 2018, @12:34AM
The Mighty Buzzard (TMB) is SN's resident code guy, who updates and tweaks the slashcode the site is based on. My post was pure smartassery, because I don't code. TMB has never taught me anything, because I can't be assed to learn to code.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.