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posted by martyb on Friday June 01 2018, @04:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the pointed-question dept.

A judge has proposed a nationwide programme to file down the points of kitchen knives as a solution to the country’s soaring knife crime epidemic.

Last week in his valedictory address, retiring Luton Crown Court Judge Nic Madge spoke of his concern that carrying a knife had become routine in some circles and called on the Government to ban the sale of large pointed kitchen knives.

[...] He said laws designed to reduce the availability of weapons to young would-be offenders had had “almost no effect”, since the vast majority had merely taken knives from a cutlery drawer.

[...] He asked: “But why we do need eight-inch or ten-inch kitchen knives with points?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/27/knives-sharp-filing-solution-soaring-violent-crime-judge-says/


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  • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Saturday June 02 2018, @02:51PM (3 children)

    by Wootery (2341) on Saturday June 02 2018, @02:51PM (#687692)

    No, it's a genuinely invalid premise to AC's point. Even if we maximise deterrence to its hypothetical ideal, we still wouldn't bring crime to zero.

    It's like saying Suppose my car has a perfect steering-wheel and then continuing and given that we're supposing my car is perfect...

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  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday June 04 2018, @03:39PM (2 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Monday June 04 2018, @03:39PM (#688409)

    You apparently don't understand how hypotheticals work.

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    "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
    • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Tuesday June 05 2018, @09:27AM (1 child)

      by Wootery (2341) on Tuesday June 05 2018, @09:27AM (#688785)

      No, I appear to be the only one who does. The point of a thought-experiment is to carefully explore the consequences of a hypothetical situation. It is exactly the right time to be explicit about definitions, and to insist on clear reasoning when we use terms like 'perfect'. Which is exactly what I (and apparently I alone) am doing.

      No-one has pointed out anything wrong with my reasoning here, they've just ignored my point that some crime cannot be prevented by any deterrence.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 05 2018, @02:23PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 05 2018, @02:23PM (#688867) Journal

        No, I appear to be the only one who does.

        [...]

        No-one has pointed out anything wrong with my reasoning here, they've just ignored my point that some crime cannot be prevented by any deterrence.

        No one has ignored that point. In fact, several posters have gone out of their way to agree on that point for real world deterrence (of the sorts we can come up with).