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TSA Has Been Compiling A Shitlist Of Travelers It Just Doesn't Like
The TSA is the worst. Super-secret watchlists can keep people from flying -- people deemed too dangerous to travel but not dangerous enough to arrest. This isn't the TSA's fault. Not these lists. Those are maintained by agencies who could possibly cobble together enough intel to build a flimsy case against these "dangerous" would-be travelers.
The TSA, however, maintains its own database of travelers. It can't necessarily keep them from boarding airplanes, but it can give agents a heads up that the person in the queue probably needs to be detained and hassled. [via Boing Boing]
[...] It's an agency shitlist, and only the TSA knows who's on it. This list doesn't contain people who've actually assaulted agents, but people who've expressed their displeasure with intrusive gropings through words or non-violent deeds. The agency's official statements make it clear this is an arbitrary way to punish travelers who make agents unhappy, noting that it neither requires "injury" to a TSA employee nor the intent to do so. Instead, the list contains anyone who presents a "challenge" to the "safe and effective completion of screening."
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:26AM (17 children)
So I got searched and they run their hands all the way up your leg, and I mean all the way up "until there is resistance", which I didn't know would happen, so right then, just after the touching I said to my wife, "This guy touched my balls" loud enough for the guy to hear
Did that get me on the list?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:43AM (6 children)
It's this kind of thing that makes me wish these useless mass shooters would do something more useful with their lives. Like, perhaps, shooting TSA agents, politicians, or those working for the NSA.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:48AM (5 children)
"It's illegal to threaten the President, even if you're joking."
-- Mayor Emeritus of Carmel California, "Line Of Fire"
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(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:54AM (1 child)
Wishing something would happen is different from saying you're going to do it. And I'm not joking. These mass shooters are throwing their lives away anyway, so they may as well do something useful while they're at it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:31PM
right. *If* you're going to crack up and shoot people; don't be a bitch and shoot random undefended people, especially kids. Don't lose your life without taking out some trash first. Kill pigs, or better yet, the politicians who control them. Maybe the CEOs and lawyers that control the politicians or subvert the laws of the country? What about every federal reserve banker in the country? What about every IRS, DEA, FBI, ATF piece of shit in the country? What about the USDA goons that are raiding food coops with guns drawn? Fuck the loser scum at the TSA too. What about the CDC, big pharma and doctors who turn kids into nonthreatening zombies of the state or Manchurian candidates? Local sheriffs enforcing un-american and in many cases illegal state revenue streams and slave catching schemes like property tax and drug laws. What about the "news" reporters that knowingly spew the masters' propaganda daily? There are plenty of people who think they can do whatever they want and you won't do shit. People that are known enemies of freedom and the people. Kill those motherfuckers. Post their crimes on the internet so the media can't lie about your motives(important).
ORRRRR
dumb asses could just quit paying their paychecks! Then they will have to either get honest work or reveal themselves for the parasites and predators they truly are without the cover of their titles, uniforms and badges. You could dedicate yourself to exposing enemy lies, spreading the truth and most importantly organizing resistance.
(Score: 2) by dwilson on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:12AM
So's jaywalking. In either case, ZFG.
- D
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 05 2018, @07:50AM (1 child)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:14PM
but what if you're John Wilkes Booth and beat Lincoln to death in the ass with a hammer
(Score: 4, Interesting) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:33AM (7 children)
I have flown once since 2001.
I avoid planes. I avoid the whole TSA bullshit. flying is no longer fun.
but - since I don't fly often and don't need to for business or personal reasons - I can afford to PISS THEM THE FUCK OFF.
I plan to, next time I'm flying. "YOU TOUCHED MY BALLS!". yeah, I can say that loud. what are they gonna do?
again, flying is optional for me. and if I get pushed to a later flight and miss shit for work, no skin off my back - its not my fault at all.
the more people get angry - the better! things are not going to get fixed if we all just go along with their groping and crap.
we should all make a fuss at every chance. its the only way we can try to change things back to how they were. not that I expect it to happen, but it sure would be great if people unified against the TSA and gave them hassles at every chance.
of course, people who want an 'easy' flight won't make waves; and this is exactly what they count on. the pussification of america! ;(
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:20AM (3 children)
I have NOT flown since TSA as a matter of principal. I will not voluntarily subject myself to such subhuman treatment. I will not bow to them, as anyone who flies must.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @11:55AM (1 child)
What did Your principal do to You?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:23AM
Probably his principled principal disciplined his pimply prepubescent ass on principle. Or he just doesn't know they are two different words. Principled pedants are aware of pendulantly punctuating principal postulates per the principle of the matter.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:36PM
you are not alone. i don't have much respect for flyers these days. these are the dumb bastards who gladly fund the enemy every time they turn around.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:23PM (2 children)
the more people get angry - the better!
Your anger is bullshit if it isn't converted into votes.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:39PM (1 child)
Votes for who? Which candidate would get rid of the TSA? NONE! Not even the fringe candidates.
If there were a libertarian candidate, I would probably vote for him, but libertarian is not "Libertarian".
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 08 2018, @04:37PM
Votes for who?
Anybody you want. The process for getting on the ballot is all documented in black and white. Any and all difficulties only arise from your fellow voters that choose to believe the propaganda. There is no compelling force.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:58AM
It is getting to the point where choosing between Russian mafia or Putin's boys, China and their oppressive system, or the USA with all its post-911 nonsense, that the USA is coming in as third choice on places to choose to live. The only saving "grace" is that the majority of people tend to remain in their country of birth/origin.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @07:08AM
I fly a couple times per year. Have been doing so since before 9/11. I always opt out of scanning unless I'm about to miss the flight. They always tell you exactly what they're going to do and where they're going to touch and they wait for you to agree or disagree with what they've told you. If you didn't know he was going to feel up to the base of your leg, which means he could be touching your genitals, you're probably too stupid to be allowed in society and should be left locked up in an assisted living home.
Your wife was also not standing right next to you. If she heard you, you would have had to talk loudly over a few people, so of course he heard you. In other words, you're simply lying about the whole thing. Please fuck off.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Nerdfest on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:32AM (2 children)
Because of the immigration stance of Trump, CBP has become his brownshirts, and ICE his SS. They really didn't need much of a push though.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @09:21AM (1 child)
Don't you mean his illegal immigration stance? ICE helps the country actually protect its borders and you compare them to genocidal nazis... Leftists have become a parody of themselves now, where did the sane ones go?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @10:13AM
Tell me when they stop harassing actual citizens that are dozens of miles away from the border. Your papers, please.
(Score: 5, Funny) by krishnoid on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:43AM (1 child)
"What the hell do you want? I'm late for my plane."
"Sir, we need to pat you down further."
"Hell no! Get off me!"
"Sir, please stop and move to the side here so I can take a report. First of all, what's your name?"
"It's difficult, and I doubt a TSA monkey like you would be able to spell it. I'll have to type it in for you."
"Ok, fine."
"Here you go, it's Jeffrey'); drop table TSA_Problem_Flyers; -- "
"Now I'll have to pat you down."
"Certainly officer. You're doing a difficult job, and thanks for keeping our country safe."
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 06 2018, @05:28AM
Used to be, when Joe Schlemiel married Alice Schlemazel they'd be Joe Schlemiel and Alice Schlemiel. Or Mr. & Mrs. Joe Schlemiel. But now, feminism. They get married now, they become Joe Schlemiel-Schlemazel and Alice Schlemiel-Schlemazel. Very politically correct. But a big hassle when somebody goes to write, or type, those names. And for the kids. Say the kid is Eddie Schlemiel-Schlemazel, he gets hitched with Sarah Shmendrik-Schmuck. They do the hyphens again, they call themselves Eddie Schlemiel-Schlemazel-Shmendrik-Schmuck and Sarah Schlemiel-Schlemazel-Shmendrik-Schmuck. I call it VERY ANNOYING. But yours, frankly, is much worse than that. Yours really takes the cake. And I pray you don't have kids. Because a name like that can be very tough for a kid!!!!
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:27AM
Pretty sure regularly opting out of the body scanner gets you on this list.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:32AM
Gotta personalize your services to individual customers :)
(Score: 3, Funny) by shortscreen on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:15AM (1 child)
guess which one is on the list
(Score: 5, Funny) by takyon on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:18AM
USA
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @07:15AM (9 children)
I read the article. Assuming it's true, this list is more like the list any store used to have of people who wrote bad checks or paid using fake cash. Basically, double-check what the person does and make sure someone is watching so you don't get into a he-said, she-said argument with no proof on any side. Most companies keep lists of various things like lists of people not to hire, lists of people not to do business with, etc...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @07:43AM (8 children)
Yeah, it's not that bad that a government agency whose sole job it is to violate people's constitutional rights on a routine basis maintains lists of people that it thinks deserve extra rights violations. Not at all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:53PM (7 children)
Except that it's illegal to write bad checks, but not illegal to speak up when somebody inconviences you by doing something stupid like security theater.
The TSA's job is to stop bad guys from getting on planes.
There is no doubt that they need help in there, but how does this new list help?
It seems more likely to pick out grumpy passengers.
A competent bad guy is likely to be really nice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @01:16PM
The actual things preventing hijackings are the cockpit door and the grumpy passengers on the plane who take exception to a hijacking.
Perhaps this list it to find some candidate good guys?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Tuesday June 05 2018, @02:28PM (4 children)
If that really is their job, they're doing a terrible job of it, because they've foiled exactly zero terrorist plots since its creation over 15 years ago, and routinely fail tests where a tiger team tries to sneak stuff through.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:18PM (3 children)
How many U.S. airliners have been hijacked since 9/11?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:39PM
That's the "tiger-repelling rock" argument: The lack of hijackings could be for lots of reasons, but the TSA is demonstrably not one of them.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @04:16PM
"How many U.S. airliners have been hijacked since 9/11?"
Since the situationally aware, active good passengers fix it system was put in place on the 4th 9/11 flight, zero successfully.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @10:31PM
Even if the TSA did keep us safe, which it doesn't, sacrificing our freedoms for security would still be intolerable. The US is supposed to be 'the land of the free and the home of the brave', and yet it fails at that miserably.
But the TSA does not keep us safe. Securing cockpit doors and passengers being willing to fight back against hijackers keep us safe, neither of which violate anyone's freedoms. The same trick likely won't work again because of this.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @10:34PM
I don't know what this has to do with anything.
The TSA's job is to violate our constitutional rights while providing the illusion of security.
It seems more likely that they just want to encourage submissiveness. Oppose them and be punished. They want the people of the US to be cowardly drones who just do as they are told, and they largely already are.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:18PM (2 children)
Given the need that we have for relief;
Given the role and function of those involved;
Let it therefore be resolved this day
That this list be now taken
as our list of nominees
And that therefore upon the occasion of the next national elections
Third November; Two Thousand and Two Tens
ONLY those candidates whose names appear on the list of nominees
Compiled as previous detailed by the TSA
Shall be permitted upon the ballot.
ONLY those candidates whose names so appear
Shall be eligible for nomination by any party
Large or small, fake or third.
In this way shall Freedom truly bloom
And her enemies shall rue
Lo, indeed shall they rue.
-Malaclypse the fuglier, halfway through a bottle of truth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @01:04PM (1 child)
Shit, how am I going to get on that list so I can run for office? I always fly on my company jet...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @02:08PM
"Those who desire the job should never be allowed to have it.". Badly quoted hhgttg
(Score: 3, Interesting) by dbe on Tuesday June 05 2018, @02:30PM (1 child)
go for global entry... I know it's extortion, but I was opting out every time to avoid getting milimeter-scanned.
It gets old quickly, so if your company reimburse it just get that appointment if you live close to an airport (in large hubs you may have to wait 6 months...)
The result here in SFO is, 5min max to go through security, normal metal detector, no removing shoes and stripping down to t-shirt, and the re-entry is also a breeze.
I know it's not for everyone and not convenient for families (though if one of you is TSA-pre they might give it to everyone) but if your work is sending you out all the time it's invaluable.
This is the USA, pay to play is the rule of the land apparently...
-dbe
(Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:53PM
Yesterday, at SFO, the TSA Pre line was moving so slowly, it must have taken people at least 30 minutes to go through.
The main (non-priority, non TSA Pre) line was about 2/3 the way down the International Terminal.