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posted by martyb on Tuesday June 05 2018, @08:50AM   Printer-friendly
from the approved-using-a-Pale-Moon-browser dept.

Netmarketshare reports that Mozilla Firefox's share of the desktop and notebook computer web browser market has fallen below ten percent.

Firefox had a market share of 12.63% in June 2017 according to Netmarketshare and even managed to rise above the 13% mark in 2017 before its share fell to 9.92% in May 2018.

Google Chrome, Firefox's biggest rival in the browser world, managed to increase its massive lead from 60.08% in June 2017 to 62.85% in May 2018.

Microsoft's Internet Explorer dropped a percent point to 11.82% in May 2018 and Microsoft's Edge browser gained less than 0.50% to 4.26% over the year.

[...] Netmarketshare collects usage stats and does not get "real" numbers from companies like Mozilla, Google or Microsoft. The company monitors the use of browsers on a subset of Internet sites and creates the market share reports using the data it collects.

While that is certainly good enough for trends if the number of monitored user interactions is high enough, it is not completely accurate and real-world values can be different based on a number of factors. While it is unlikely that they differ a lot, it is certainly possible that the share is different to the one reported by the company.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @10:12AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @10:12AM (#688791)

    It creates opaque "Web Content" processes. They grow to over 100 gigabytes. (have 8 gigabytes of RAM, plus swap on an SSD) They munch CPU time. My system load got to 33, but I only have 2 cores.

    Chromium is pretty opaque too, but at least it has a task manager that is OKish for killing things.

    This is absurd. Only the foreground tab should use my CPU unless I specifically choose otherwise.

    Tabs should default to a memory limit of about 10 bytes per pixel. Going past that should freeze the tab until I authorize more RAM. Permission for each doubling would make sense.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Pino P on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:07PM (2 children)

    by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:07PM (#688809) Journal

    This is absurd. Only the foreground tab should use my CPU unless I specifically choose otherwise.

    Say you want to open three web applications in new tabs and have their respective loading scripts run in the background. (For example, these might be Skype, Slack, and Discord, for which the alternative is opening a native application that is literally a separate copy of Chrome hardcoded to view one website.) What interface would you expect Firefox to offer you to allow those tabs to use the CPU once the foreground tab has finished loading?

    Tabs should default to a memory limit of about 10 bytes per pixel.

    How many "pixels" make up an HTML document that uses the infinite vertical scrolling paradigm, such as the timeline view of Twitter or the scrollback buffer of a chat client?

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:37PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:37PM (#688942)

      What interface would you expect Firefox to offer you to allow those tabs to use the CPU once the foreground tab has finished loading?

      It's the same one for sound: right-click on the tab, then choose the menu item to enable it... not that I ever would. Having every page chew up my CPU in the background is like having every page play audio ads in the background. It is undesirable.

      How many "pixels" make up an HTML document that uses the infinite vertical scrolling paradigm

      It doesn't get to grab free extra pixels that way. The answer is obviously "tough shit".

      The point here is that you need an adjustable hard limit. It is reasonable to scale this with screen size. To avoid leaking info about the physical hardware, interpret "screen size" as the viewport as measured in CSS/DOM/whatever units.

      The infinite memory consumption paradigm should not be encouraged.

      • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:38PM

        by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:38PM (#689281) Journal

        It's the same one for sound: right-click on the tab, then choose the menu item to enable it

        Would you have to "right-click on the tab, then choose the menu item to enable it" again every single time you use that web application again? If not, you'd need to specify under what conditions the browser would remember your choice. For example, for what granularity would the browser remember your choice? One specific document? An entire origin (scheme-host-port tuplet)? An entire domain?

        And how would non-technical users even discover that it's possible for a user to "right-click on the tab, then choose the menu item to enable it"? If the answer is "they don't; tough shit", then non-technical users who perceive that a web application loads "slowly" (because its loading was in fact paused in the background) are more likely to abandon a browser that isn't so slow at running web applications.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:17PM

    by VLM (445) on Tuesday June 05 2018, @12:17PM (#688812)

    Only the foreground tab should use my CPU unless I specifically choose otherwise.

    On one hand, especially on battery powered devices, you don't want "cryptocurrency mining in javascript" to be happening. On the other hand I play music in other tabs and would like that to continue.

    There are odd things. My ad blocker on FF shows a little count of blocks and if I leave gmail up it counts upward about 4000 per day, roughly. So, thats weird, something crazy going on. gmail must be trying to push ads, I suppose.

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:22PM (1 child)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday June 05 2018, @03:22PM (#688888)

    It creates opaque "Web Content" processes. They grow to over 100 gigabytes. (have 8 gigabytes of RAM, plus swap on an SSD)

    You have 92 GB of swap space? This smells like bullshit.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 05 2018, @05:40PM (#688947)

      It smells like "slow as fuck", which is why I am unhappy.