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posted by martyb on Tuesday June 05 2018, @08:50AM   Printer-friendly
from the approved-using-a-Pale-Moon-browser dept.

Netmarketshare reports that Mozilla Firefox's share of the desktop and notebook computer web browser market has fallen below ten percent.

Firefox had a market share of 12.63% in June 2017 according to Netmarketshare and even managed to rise above the 13% mark in 2017 before its share fell to 9.92% in May 2018.

Google Chrome, Firefox's biggest rival in the browser world, managed to increase its massive lead from 60.08% in June 2017 to 62.85% in May 2018.

Microsoft's Internet Explorer dropped a percent point to 11.82% in May 2018 and Microsoft's Edge browser gained less than 0.50% to 4.26% over the year.

[...] Netmarketshare collects usage stats and does not get "real" numbers from companies like Mozilla, Google or Microsoft. The company monitors the use of browsers on a subset of Internet sites and creates the market share reports using the data it collects.

While that is certainly good enough for trends if the number of monitored user interactions is high enough, it is not completely accurate and real-world values can be different based on a number of factors. While it is unlikely that they differ a lot, it is certainly possible that the share is different to the one reported by the company.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by darkfeline on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:12PM (7 children)

    by darkfeline (1030) on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:12PM (#688971) Homepage

    > even chromium sends telemetry

    Do you have a source for that, and is it significantly different from Firefox's telemetry? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry [mozilla.org]

    Also, I wish Soylentils would stop writing Chrome, Chrome all the time. The bulk of the code is Chromium, Chrome is just Google's branded version, there are a ton of other branded versions of Chromium too.

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  • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:30PM (5 children)

    by Pino P (4721) on Tuesday June 05 2018, @06:30PM (#688984) Journal

    Also, I wish Soylentils would stop writing Chrome, Chrome all the time. The bulk of the code is Chromium

    First, web searches for articles about Google Chrome aren't guaranteed to turn up articles that mention only Chromium.

    Second, last I checked, Chromium binaries tended to be well hidden, with Google burying them in favor of Google Chrome binaries. The Chromium project's download page [chromium.org] links to a page whose text has nigh-unusably low contrast [appspot.com]. The only easy way for a non-technical desktop computer user to get Chromium and keep it updated is by using the package manager within an X11/Linux distribution.

    • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:07AM (3 children)

      by darkfeline (1030) on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:07AM (#689081) Homepage

      Are you offering to host a website and possibly build machines to make Chromium binaries more accessible? It's FOSS and anyone can freely build and distribute binaries. Or are you just complaining? Not that I blame you, it's much easier to complain on the Internet than to actually try to improve the situation, that's why we're here on SN, isn't it?

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      • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:31PM (2 children)

        by Pino P (4721) on Wednesday June 06 2018, @12:31PM (#689277) Journal

        It's FOSS and anyone can freely build and distribute binaries.

        Are you offering to provide a step-by-step guide so that even non-technical users can install a toolchain with which to build Chromium?

        Or are you just complaining?

        Yes. I'm complaining about what appears to be intentional lack of attention paid by Google to the accessibility of the Chromium download process to people with low vision, as a measure to drive people with low vision away from Chromium and toward Google Chrome.

        • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Wednesday June 06 2018, @05:36PM (1 child)

          by darkfeline (1030) on Wednesday June 06 2018, @05:36PM (#689412) Homepage

          >Are you offering to provide a step-by-step guide so that even non-technical users can install a toolchain with which to build Chromium?

          https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/get-the-code [chromium.org]

          One of the tenets of FOSS is that there is no obligation to hold your hand. You're expected to spend some minimum amount of effort, not just shout "Help me".

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          • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Thursday June 07 2018, @11:16AM

            by Pino P (4721) on Thursday June 07 2018, @11:16AM (#689810) Journal

            One of the tenets of FOSS is that there is no obligation to hold your hand. You're expected to spend some minimum amount of effort, not just shout "Help me".

            I doubt that non-technical users are willing "to spend some minimum amount of effort" when the convenience of the walled garden is so enticing. That's why game consoles continue to exist, for instance.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06 2018, @04:28AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06 2018, @04:28AM (#689160)

      A while back I posted logs of surreptitious communication from within Chromium back to the Mothership. Don't think Google doesn't track you, just because you chose to run Chromium instead of Chrome.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06 2018, @04:43AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 06 2018, @04:43AM (#689168)

    Here's a source. I've been trying to search the archives on my previous post where I documented the opaque queries to google. I couldn't find it, but I think this is the file I pasted before. To view, pipe this into base64 -d|zcat.

    It is a log based on instrumentation of the ResourceRequest module of Chromium. Chromium was compiled from source (with modifications, we were doing a deep browser research project), and I started it up and loaded SoylentNews. You can see queries going off to google on startup, with opaque parameters. Also, code originating from google has access to internal javascript apis in the browser.

    I personally am happy to stay with a firefox based browser (which I take pleasure in editing! :) ).

    Anyway, here's the log. One of the extensions mentioned is from our project. Others are baked into Chromium by google.
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