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It's like Debian Linux, but without systemd.
Release notes are at https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818.
Previously: Devuan ASCII Sprint -- 15-17 Dec. 2017
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Devuan 2.0.0 Released - Debian Without systemd
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2018, @04:45PM (8 children)
I have no problem with this personally. It is really annoying when you try to install Linux to a laptop to find out the wireless adapter drivers. Then you follow a cryptic guide by someone who doesn't care because they hate non-free software and fuck you for wanting your hardware to actually work!
This level of autism is retarded. I don't give a damn, I want my machine to work, and I shouldn't have to spend hours copying files from a USB stick back and forth hoping it works because someone's autism got triggered. Mint used to do this, but they offered an easy to use tool to install non-free drivers. I'd be okay with this too.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by requerdanos on Monday June 11 2018, @05:22PM (5 children)
Then you probably aren't the "for free software users" that I mentioned that it was relevant for.
That isn't why we don't like you. We don't like you because you behave like a rude, demanding, noncontributing ass, and you are spreading false information and discord which didn't previously exist. Your hardware and software preferences don't enter into it.
As for the "wireless drivers", if yours are nonfree and you're ok with that, you should probably install from unofficial but quite readily available non-free CD images with firmware [debian.org] that are linked right from the "Installing Debian 9.4" page on Debian's website. (i.e., neither cryptic nor more trouble than any other installation method.)
Or from Devuan's official images, now that they are all non-free (as are many free-software based operating systems).
Don't worry. With careful study and practice, I am sure you will be able to find the download link that's right for you. They have it highlighted in yellow [debian.org] to help with that. I know that GNU/Linux isn't drop-dead simple, but installers and installation have gotten better and better with time, and now, installing is much simpler than in the past.
As I mentioned, any choice to spend hours copying a wireless driver from a USB stick is probably not the right one for you. The non-free unofficial image is likely to be more helpful in your case. It installs non-free components silently and automatically.
Neither would I have any problem with the choice of using a tool to install non-free drivers, in addition to non-free images created for people who have to have non-free drivers--it would be a lot better than just silently installing non-free software! Having a tool==more choice.
Good luck with your issues, hardware, software, driver, anger, and otherwise.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2018, @06:55PM (2 children)
And quite frankly if firmware is the only non-free item they include, I would suggest they just provide two install cd images if needed. Personally though, we've lost the 'liberated hardware battle' at least on x86. Signed/Binary firmware is required top to bottom now, including reportable serials that can tie your software, hardware, MAC address, and network address together well enough to be (ab)used against you in a court of law. As much as I would like Devuan to avoid using non-free firmware, that would require a chain of current generation hardware that didn't require non-free firmware. And furthermore: The linux kernel had been including non-free firmware directly in the kernel source for years before the non-free firmware package was spun out completely, which is probably in part why they are having to include the non-free firmware drivers today. Linux has not had as clear of of a 'free software only' stance inside the kernel as it should have, and that in part is cause for this situation today.
Anyway, cheers to devuan for succeeding in their 2.0 goal, and here is hoping they start using all devuan signed/hosted packages instead of falling back on debian fileservers for some of their file listings.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2018, @09:13PM
The answer to non-free software is not more non-free software, regardless of how abysmal the current situation is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14 2018, @01:42PM
I really liked Trisquel as a concept but found that I just couldn't use it as my primary OS
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2018, @07:14PM (1 child)
If you're so pure, then don't go buying hardware with nothing but non-free firmware drivers. That way you won't get non-free software installed on your machine.
In the real world, there are people who need to run Devuan on machines available to them, or in the marketplace. Many of them are free software adherents, but they need to be able to get online to start developing free firmware.
(Score: 3, Touché) by requerdanos on Monday June 11 2018, @11:51PM
You may be surprised to learn about what happens in the real world, to judge by your pushing these two contradictory arguments.
In the real world, I have a couple laptops with internal wifi adapters that wouldn't work without non-free firmware/drivers. Because they were "machines available to" me. But to assume that that means "nothing but non-free" is rather unimaginative. The machines work fine with no non-free anything because each has a $5 USB wifi stick from ebay that doesn't require anything non-free to run.
Unless someone tries to install Devuan 2.0 on them, in which case they will get packages installed from non-free even though there is no need for them and every reason not to and no one asked for them.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2018, @06:56PM (1 child)
it's understandable that you are a lazy, whining whore, but you shouldn't expect that every distro pander to your ignorance and dependence. or the disgusting hardware vendors you blindly and so willingly fund. Principled distributions can take a stand for freedom and you can take your whore ass down the road or back to slavewareOS where you likely belong.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2018, @07:50PM
Damn straight I should. If it doesn't work out of the box, you fucked up. Windows and OSX work out of the box just fine, and that is what 99.9% of people care about dumbass. Eat a cinderblock.
Yes such "Principled"people like RMS who writes about having nose sex with flowers. These are the losers who support this nonsense.