An Anonymous Coward writes:
As Europe's latest copyright proposal heads to a critical vote on June 20-21, more than 70 Internet and computing luminaries have spoken out against a dangerous provision, Article 13, that would require Internet platforms to automatically filter uploaded content. The group, which includes Internet pioneer Vint Cerf, the inventor of the World Wide Web Tim Berners-Lee, Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales, co-founder of the Mozilla Project Mitchell Baker, Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle, cryptography expert Bruce Schneier, and net neutrality expert Tim Wu, wrote in a joint letter that was released today:By requiring Internet platforms to perform automatic filtering all of the content that their users upload, Article 13 takes an unprecedented step towards the transformation of the Internet, from an open platform for sharing and innovation, into a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users.
As Europe's latest copyright proposal heads to a critical vote on June 20-21, more than 70 Internet and computing luminaries have spoken out against a dangerous provision, Article 13, that would require Internet platforms to automatically filter uploaded content. The group, which includes Internet pioneer Vint Cerf, the inventor of the World Wide Web Tim Berners-Lee, Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales, co-founder of the Mozilla Project Mitchell Baker, Internet Archive founder Brewster Kahle, cryptography expert Bruce Schneier, and net neutrality expert Tim Wu, wrote in a joint letter that was released today:
By requiring Internet platforms to perform automatic filtering all of the content that their users upload, Article 13 takes an unprecedented step towards the transformation of the Internet, from an open platform for sharing and innovation, into a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users.
Under the sort of regime the EU is set to legislate, it's the other way around. The filters look at what you upload, if they match it to something then they block you. It doesn't matter that it's fair use, the burden is on YOU to somehow find a way to contest the automatic decision of the machine.
Which has been happening on youtube for a long time now.
this is why people need to get behind LBRY. we must take the control away from these "people".
Back in the day, we ran BBS's. Some, like mine, at no charge to those who cared to dial in. We communicated all over the world via FidoNet, we played games, we did all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, I know, no copper lines anymore so those days are gone. But, we have a lot of new technology, and much more to come, to overcome that. One day we won't be so dependent on a few central providers, we will interconnect ourselves, again. That makes the copyright proposal much harder to enforce.
Ok, maybe just a dream but if you piss off enough people it could come true...
One day we won't be so dependent on a few central providers
That is exactly what the Powers That Be are working to prevent. From the US, to Australia, to Russia, to China, and Vietnam - gubbermint wants to control what you access, and business wants to be part of that control.
ISP's are already guilty of throttling content that they don't like, such as torrenting. It's a small step to blocking anything they don't like. Sure, you can try to disguise your torrents by using a non-standard port, but you're not really fooling anyone. If you are partly successful in disguising your traffic, the ISP can just shut you down, completely.
And, that is not likely to change, any time soon. The internet has been built in such a fashion that you need an ISP. Any attempt to get around that middleman will be answered by law enforcement, the courts, and congress, in a manner that none of us likes.
If it comes down to the internet is no longer useful than what else is there to say but screw the internet? We will find a way. Technology has advanced too far to eliminate dissemination of information. That's the important part, the rest is just fluff.
Nothing stops me from running some fiber from point A to point B, landing it on my own router, and other people doing the same thing - just get permission from the land owners (or in reality buy some dark fibre from someone who's already done that)
We can then exchange routes between us, and any other network that's happy to peer with us. Some networks may even transit.
It's not rocket science.
But in order for it to be useful, we either need point to point wifi links hoping borders (whether city, county, province/state, or national), and all the accoutrements of a replacement internet, designed with trustless decentralization, something that the current generation of internet lacks. If we can get all this done, and keep the ISM bands open to wifi usage in cross-border compatible spectrums, then we can use cheap and readily available radio equipment to build around censorship everywhere it rears its head (which more and more appears to be both the overtly and covertly authoritarian countries.)
We honestly could today.
The biggest shift will be explaining that IPv* is part of the problem, and that a protocol is the fundamental part of the solution.
Such a protocol would have to be topology independent, and feature automated routing and be tolerant of bad actors.
The biggest shift will be explaining that IPv* is part of the problem, and that a protocol is the fundamental part of the solution.Such a protocol would have to be topology independent, and feature automated routing and be tolerant of bad actors.
The problem with that is every single router on the entire Internet would have to be replaced.
Not gonna happen.
What's the definition of that? If Runaway trolls enough folks on the internet is he/she/it an Internet Luminary? Or is it Dudette Blogs that has a bazillion followers on her blog and tweeter account?
I think TFS provides a fairly good high level view of why these individuals are considered luminaries. Not because they have a blog, but because they have been responsible for some very significant components of the modern Internet. It's also because of their long history of well considered views about the future of the Internet including its threats and opportunities.
Umm.. aren't they just computing luminaries? I see the internet under the broader computing umbrella, the fact the call it out separately implies, folks associated with the internet that are not part of the computing industry, i.e. bloggers, etc.
I can be a hardware luminary if I open the power supply and start prodding around without first unplugging it.
without my deep insight into the nature of reality, apple would never have debugged strm_echo, the original test tool for MacTCP.
People are reacting to this proposal like it was an unintended side effect. Closing the open Internet down and rebuilding AOL has been the explicit goal of every Globalist and Big Legacy Tech company since Trump and BrExit occurred. Before, open and free were great because the masses were lowing softly and ambling contentedly toward the abattoir at the "Sunny Uplands of History" and it was oh so much easier that way, when the suckers thought they were free and actually wanted what was coming. The second those unwashed masses got ideas of their own the jackboots came stomping down. As I said at the time, Americans electing Trump and the Brits voting to Exit was not a victory; it was only an indication that we had awakened to the danger and were at least going to fight.
Well now fight damn you! You talked a good fight about Internet Freedom for years and then most here have been walking around with your thumbs up your butts as Big Tech has introduced levels of censorship you would have been burning shit down over had Bushitler even proposed a fraction of it. But #theresistance does it to stop uppity people who aren't good San Fran wierdos and you have been happy to applaud. Enough. Either everybody is free or everybody is going to get the Thousand Years of Darkness. The Internet and Big Data + AI can easily be abused into the biggest tool of oppression ever dreamed of. You are fools if you think it will only be used once to destroy your enemies of the day. This ain't a Batman movie. They must be stopped from turning the Internet into a weapon.
This is going to require an actual fight. You aren't going to run an "education" campaign and show the EU Parliament that this plan has unintended consequences, as I said, the consequences are the point and the stated reason merely pretext. They must fear you more than the Globalists they serve in the way we here on this side of the Atlantic have to make our nominal "Republican" Congress fear its voters more than their donors.
History makes weird bedfellows. We may find ourselves fighting on the same side, for once. I propose to ask, though: what are you personally planning to do about all this? The odds look rather long...
There are only a few things end users can do. Keeping places like this populated is one. Getting the hell off of censoring social media is another. I never fell for most of it, but if you have Facebook or Twitter leave it. Don't delete the account, just starting creating the MySpace sea of abandoned accounts. Get on Gab and the other Alt-Tech. Don't depend on Google beyond that absolutely required. That means look at alternatives to gmail (there are lots), put video on the other services quickly spinning up to fill the hole they are leaving, use hooktube when you just have to view Youtube content (simply replace you with hook in the URL) to deny them the metrics and spying. Install a browser plugin to automagically redirect wikipedia to infogalactic. Use a VPN if your ISP is an asshole. Start voting with your wallet and eyeballs.
Middle term lobby your Congresscritter to start applying anti-trust laws and let the legal system remind them of the DMCA Safe Harbor they abandoned when they started exercising editorial control. Having Big Tech productize us for ad dollars was bad, having them become Big Brother unopposed is something we shouldn't accept.
Longer term we the tech types have to see this censorship and route the damned Internet around it. We got lazy and screwed up. NEVER AGAIN. No more centralized choke points. So how? That conversation should have started a year ago. How does a decentralized Internet work? How does a decentralized search engine work? Is it a contradiction in terms or is it buildable? And if it CAN be built, at least in theory, how does it get built in the real world; how does it monitize itself enough to sustain itself? Gab was working on the "Exodus Protocol" to create social media without a central server but It haven't seen Torba post an update in months so who knows? But it is the right idea, if there is no central server there is no place to direct rage mobs, boycotts or legal papers. If they fail we have to try again until somebody cracks the problem. If trackerless bittorrent could be solved, it is at least within the realm of possibility.
As for governments, if the Internet threatens to mainstream darknets we can probably make em an offer they don't refuse. If the official oppression stays managable people won't go to the extra bother. Kind of like Netflix and Spotify pretty much solved the casual piracy problem. Make the legal path attractive and most people take it. Threats of censorship, dodging the police, etc. has to have the counter offer of "and if you can't FIND anyone to arrest?" We can build that. They can banhammer away and we can outrun them. Governments are slow and stupid and for now that, thankfully, isn't a solvable problem.
The recent https everywhere craze actually serves us well now. With everything encrypted it becomes very hard to know who is doing what if a minimal attempt at obfuscation is used. Unless they ban encryption, which bans Internet commerce and they will find a lot of resistance to that.
But the big takeaway we should be spreading across the Internet and into our elected rulers is that we CAN fight and we WILL fight them over this. And if they push us too far, especially here in the U.S. of A. we still retain the 2nd Amendment Option. A little revolution is a good thing, from time to time. And a credible threat of one is usually sufficient in direct measure to the believability of the threat.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Shit Jefferson may or may of not have actually said. But probably would have given the chance... monticello.org at least says it isn't in his papers.
Psst! jmorris! I have been submitting stuff about this for weeks! Gab is compromised!
The whole thing is a Jewish Honeypot! Get out while you can, and support the abolition of netneutrality, jmorris! You have been had!
mostly at the green site but even on usenet when aol set its thundering hooves loose
ive been meaning to set up a hidden service for soggy jobs. ill do that this weekend.
there is at least one hidden service search engine
to the extent legislation can help its far more effective to send snail mail so they can weigh their stacks of letters. youll be happy to know that every politician replies to every such letter with snail mails of their own. i once got a phone call from one of pelosi's staff seeking the details of boy scout solar water stills after i wrote her in response to her mention of desalinization on the radio.
if you write on dead trees, while your critter is unlikely to change their position maybe you can persuade some of their staff to.
that there is a company in germany that distributes a decentralized bot is why .DE is consistently the top country in my server logs.
if you want decentralized search, ask opencrawl to send you a tape. ironically you can get their data for free if you use the same AWS data center as they do.
i expect if you show up in person, thebwayback people will let you fill your station wagon with tapes absolutely free of charge
No, we dont.
Kalshnikov was a hero to the soviet union because in my understanding only the barrel requires machining, the rest can be made of cut and folded sheet metal.
even if you make your own, your puny AK-47 is no match for white phospherus, a pure chemical element that the departmentnod defense didnt hesitate to defend The American Way from the Viet Kong and the NVA.
The Viet Cong and NVA will be surprised to learn their AK's lost to WP. What do we call Saigon now, again?
Economy is a concern (Wikipedia says $147 for an AK to $647 for an AR. But the AK was also revolutionary because of its semi-mythic hardiness, at the sacrifice of accuracy. Turns out "good enough" accuracy is often good enough.
And it is actually emblematic.... you certainly can suffocate out a tunnel complex with WP (if it doesn't have adequate backup ventilation). But if you have more tunnels and personnel than the enemy can find it is still futile.
Same as always, get them to eat each other, by their own rules. Of course, I don't expect them to actually follow through their own rules though.
For once, you're right. However, the media is not adequately reporting this issue in the USA and EU right now. They want to bury it and distract us with tales of China and Vietnam.
The newspapers entirely work for the imperialists/globalists at this point: the capitalist elite.
How many people get their news from websites like Soylent, where users may link to oppositional reporting of events, or from oppositional news sources themselves?
Newspapers can be bought and sold to ensure editorial control of the Narrative. People simply do not understand the extent to which the capitalist elites are willing to go to correct the record control the Narrative.
The observation you are reporting is correct. The hypothesis of the cause is unsubstantiated. Based on past stories and behavior my guess is that very few of the writers and none of the editors understand the problem enough to bother about it, and if they did they would assume that their audience couldn't understand it, so they still wouldn't report it.
You don't need a conspiracy to explain this result, even though it's exactly what the conspiracy you are suspecting would push if it were competent.
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many great points here, really, very enjoyable, but come on, jmorris, trump is winning and what the fuck else? donnie is an old turd wrapped in a platinum foil encrusted with shit-diamonds. not excusing democrats from ANY of it, but the ungodly shit that republicans rained on anyone south of snow-white is wow. specifically, they created forced labor camps known as "prisons", some of them for-profit, that are currently putting gulags to shame and giving iosif stalin a hard-on in his grave! dark-skinned minorities are disproportionally represented as nonviolent, purely political criminals convicted of horrible offenses like the intent to consume a mild doping agent. but wait, jmorris, don't let the overtly racist legislation sway this conversation, this is not the point i am making. the point i am making is that donnie's little fascists have zero respect for individual liberty. they are ah-so-fine with throwing people into forced labor prison system for life, just for the acts of harmless self-expression. that they only expect this to be applied to brown people is just the icing on the shit-cake. ~ pseudonymous 0x9932FE2729B1D963-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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to make our nominal "Republican" Congress fear its voters more than their donors.
to make our nominal "Republican" Congress fear its voters more than their donors.
I believe the Congress of the United States works more on the "Toilet Paper" model.
The powers that be only have to get them in for one term. Get the wishlist codified into statute. Done. Flush. Next?
And those that are flushed then become consultants or lobbyists.
the ones with three +s work but not the ones with one +.
iOS 5.1.1 Build 9B206
this is the very first ipad. i bought it brand new at a pawn shop for $140.
I'm conflicted on this one.
I haven't read the actual proposal (not enough time to read everything they come up with), so for once I'm trying to listen to the experts. The summary mentions a several well known names that are usually right on these things.
But then there's the Mozilla co-founder. Mozilla, the organization that has been consistently wrong about everything since the release of Firefox 4.0.
Who to believe?
I'm just going to block all EU IP adresses from my website if I can figure out how. It's a one man shop and I don't have the capacity to comply with GDPR and the rest of the legal nonsense the EU is coming up with.
The EU seems hell bent on regulating the internet in a way that makes it impossible for one-man-shops like me to operate. I'd rather just cut the EU out of the picture entirely than deal with my regulations. If only there was a public database of EU IP addresses I could use. :/
The fubdamental problem is that the EU is trying to regulate what software must do instead of doing something productive, like legislating user choice in software.
I'd much rather see a law that says hardware manufacturers must document the hardware API and provide it to any customer who asks without an NDA. Then we can get open operating systems and user choice that makes the whole issue moot.
I'd rather own the hardware and be able to alter the software than legislate the software into "being nice" as the EU wants to do.Responsible disclosure of hardware functions would solve the problem without any app nor protocol specific regulations. That and some kind of ban on tivoization that can't be unlocked.