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A woman who lived a short distance from where Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned with the Novichok nerve agent has died. Prime Minister Theresa May is "appalled and shocked" by the death:
Police have launched a murder inquiry after a woman exposed to nerve agent Novichok in Wiltshire died. Dawn Sturgess, 44, died in hospital on Sunday evening after falling critically ill on 30 June. Charlie Rowley, 45, who was also exposed to the nerve agent in Amesbury, remains critically ill in hospital.
[...] Officers are still trying to work out how Ms Sturgess and Mr Rowley were exposed to the nerve agent although tests have confirmed they touched a contaminated item with their hands.
[...] Mrs May sent her "thoughts and condolences" and said officials are "working urgently to establish the facts". She said: "The government is committed to providing full support to the local community as it deals with this tragedy." British diplomat Julian King, the European Commissioner responsible for the EU's security union, said: "Those behind this are murderers."
[...] The working hypothesis is that the pair became contaminated after touching a poison container left over from the March attack on Sergei and Yulia Skripal. The death of Dawn Sturgess, a British citizen on British soil, now changes the investigation to a murder inquiry, with all the diplomatic and security ramifications that carries. Britain has been blaming Moscow for the original attack in March, saying there is no plausible alternative to the Kremlin having ordered the assassination attempt. Russia has denied any involvement, suggesting instead this was the action of a weak British government looking to undermine the success of the current World Cup being hosted by Russia.
Here's something from the other side.
Previously: Former Russian Spy Exposed to "Unknown Substance" in Salisbury, England
Use of Nerve Agent Confirmed in Skripal Assassination Attempt
UK Gives Russia Until Midnight to Explain Use of Novichok Nerve Agent
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 09 2018, @10:18AM (16 children)
Initially, they suspected that these people had been poisoned by a bad batch of illegal drugs, had that been the case, would May still have sent her "thoughts and condolences" and would Mr King be blustering about 'murderers'?
The way the TV coverage of this has 'developed ' has been 'interesting' to say the least, Herr Goebbels would have been proud of both sides efforts, particularly that of the Biased Bullshitting Cockwombles..
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Monday July 09 2018, @10:42AM
We're beginning to find out what they did in the 50s and 60s. A little bit about the TERRIBLE things they did back then. And possibly in many years we'll find out about the things they're doing now. Those of us that are still alive. If any of us are still alive. They have the Official Secrets Act, they come down very hard on leakers. But we have WikiLeaks. Come on, WikiLeaks!!!! youtu.be/UAKgPdkkiCg [youtu.be]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 09 2018, @11:15AM (9 children)
aha, found the paid (russian) troll
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 09 2018, @12:00PM (3 children)
I wish! (I could do with some extra money at present...)
But sorry to disappoint, I find their propaganda spin on this (as displayed on RT) to be just as risible and amusing as that of the BBC. As I'm suffering from Insomnia, I've been watching both sides 'refine' their coverage as the hours pass to fit the message that their political masters want put out there, the BBC gets more of my 'ire' as there's a misguided idea out there that, unlike RT, Fox et al, they tell the unvarnished truth. Hah bloody hah.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by DeathMonkey on Monday July 09 2018, @03:37PM (2 children)
Or, y'know, maybe the Beeb is reporting more information as they get it...
Nah, fuck that Occam guy!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 09 2018, @05:54PM (1 child)
Err no, it's like them showing a clip featuring an eyewitness at something like 2:15am where he describes the behaviour of one of the two people poisoned, stating something which doesn't quite 'square' with the later/current narrative, a clip which they've not shown since in the subsequent hours of coverage I've watched..it seems to have disappeared completely (believe me, I've been trawling the interwibblez looking for it..or anyone else interviewing this character).
This isn't reporting more information as they get it, this is failing to report anything which doesn't 'square' with the information they're getting fed by the usual government controlled sources, you will know by now that there are at least two DSMA Notices out there relating to the Skripal side of this game, which basically 'encourages' them to run their stories by the spooks if/before they publish/broadcast..
Aye, the thing about him and his famous observation is that he's royally fucked when the deck's been stacked before he starts with his hypothesising...sure, it may apply for some scenarios, but his razor certainly doesn't cut it all the time, especially when applied to a scenario where there's intense political machinations going on.
The problem I have with *all* news reporting is that it's all, for given values of the word, bogus, tailored to fit the perceptions that the broadcasters have of their target 'audience'. The big problem I have with the BBC's news coverage is that the BBC is held up as being some sort of 'Paragon of Truth' , I know you shouldn't point to Wikipedia as a source, but look at this page [wikipedia.org] for some initial pointers as to why it isn't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 10 2018, @05:17PM
OMG I saw a video at 3am and it was kind of odd and I was stoned and could see thru the BS news and now I can't find it. PROOF!!/!?11iiIIIiIi!!!1|||\\
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Monday July 09 2018, @05:18PM (4 children)
Russian agents are correctly identified with [[[]]] not ().
It is useful when calling out the longterm anti-American Russian agents like [[[John Bolton]]].
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 09 2018, @07:55PM (3 children)
How can you tell Bolton's a Russian agent? He looks like a carpenter from Alabama.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Monday July 09 2018, @08:38PM (2 children)
He is being friendly with the Russians, clearly he is on the take. Up until now I assumed [[[John Bolton]]] was just an extreme pro-American neocon that was fully America-first and just didn't give a shit about the rest of the world because he believed America is the best, but because he was on friendly terms with Russia it is clear he is an agent and has probably always been an agent. Why else would [[[Drumphf]]] send an ultra-neocon to go and serve his master [[[Putin]]] unless that person has always been pro-Russian?
Think about it. [[[John Bolton]]] used to go on [[[Red]]]eye on Fox News. [[[Bolton]]] has a mustache that is oddly reminiscent of a one [[[Joseph Stalin]]].
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 09 2018, @09:30PM (1 child)
This isn't a very good troll, Sulla :/ I get what you're trying to do, but it's a little too obvious.
...and on the flip side, it's actually much truer than you think, in an indirect way: this administrations complete and utter blind nationalistic idiocy is giving Russia *exactly* what they want. Putin must be pissing himself laughing every night.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 10 2018, @05:20PM
Sanctions on Russia.
If you can't remove them, put tariffs on everyone else. Effectively, sanctions now removed.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday July 09 2018, @03:35PM (4 children)
Initially, they suspected that these people had been poisoned by a bad batch of illegal drugs...
Yeah, turns out a nerve agent from the 80's wasn't their first hypothesis.
...that been the case, would May still have sent her "thoughts and condolences" and would Mr King be blustering about 'murderers'?
If it hadn't been murder would they be talking about murder? No, probably not...
(Score: 3, Funny) by bob_super on Monday July 09 2018, @05:25PM (3 children)
How dare you seem to question AC's implied assertion that a military-grade nerve agent only ever known manufactured by a hostile country, is just about the same as recreational hard drugs !
Have you no shame, or do you just have woefully limited dealers in your area ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 09 2018, @05:45PM (2 children)
How are you defining "hostile countries"? Edgewood [wikipedia.org] submitted a mass spectrometry profile for A-234 to NIST98. Additionally the non-ethyl variant has been manufactured in Iran and studied in the Czech Republic.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday July 09 2018, @05:53PM (1 child)
> How are you defining "hostile countries"?
This is England... Anything outside of the Commonwealth is Downright Hostile, and they don't quite trust most of those Commonwealth buggers either.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 09 2018, @06:00PM
Commonwealth?, this is Southern England we're talking about here, anything North of the Watford Gap is dangerous and hostile territory..