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posted by martyb on Friday July 13 2018, @12:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the pass-it-on dept.

On a python developers' mailing list for the core developers, Python Committers, Benevolent Dictator for Life Guido van Rossum has announced that he is stepping down effective immediately and with out appointing a successor.

Now that PEP 572 is done, I don't ever want to have to fight so hard for a
PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions.

I would like to remove myself entirely from the decision process. I'll
still be there for a while as an ordinary core dev, and I'll still be
available to mentor people -- possibly more available. But I'm basically
giving myself a permanent vacation from being BDFL, and you all will be on
your own.

After all that's eventually going to happen regardless -- there's still
that bus lurking around the corner, and I'm not getting younger... (I'll
spare you the list of medical issues.)

I am not going to appoint a successor.

[...] I'll still be here, but I'm trying to let you all figure something out for
yourselves. I'm tired, and need a very long break.


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  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @03:52PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @03:52PM (#706662)

    I have two point five competing theories (both may involve lizard people, as necessary, without exceeding 0.1 standard timecubes, but flat Earth and weather war may not be applicable) --

    1a. #gamergate and the misogynerd narrative were part of a cynical attempt to drive D team vote for the 2016 election. It failed, because the D team did not anticipate how many working class women were alienated by the past 40 years of wealth transfer from the working class to the elites.

    1b. #gamergate and the misogynerd narrative were propaganda promulgated by the CIA (including COINTELPRO) designed to convince the public of the acceptability of internet censorship. It would eventually morph into #metoo (using classical McCarthyite tactics, and this is not the first time such tactics have been used against artists in the past 100 years, possibly beginning with Charlie Chaplin iirc or thereabouts) and #fakenews with the pressure on popular internet destinations such as Facebook to become propaganda arms of the CIA and tools to suppress working class organization.

    2. The misogynerd narrative (excluding #gamergate this time) was an outlet of pent-up anger among working class women, misdirected and betrayed by identity politics.

    The silver lining to this shitshow is that the D team cannot last in its present feckless form. The DSA gives hope, but we must be aware of the involvement of lizard people at the highest levels. On the other hand, the danger is that working class anger may turn into reactionary sentiment among women and result in a fourth wave of pseudo-feminism that is all but explicitly anti-feminist. (Don't shoot the messenger here if the reader is a woman who has confused her personal progressive philosophical and political views for the views of all women. Instead demonstrate using polling data and sociological methods that my reading of working class women is flawed.)

    Hopefully this anger can be directed towards meaningful socialist causes (including free software, which is inherently feminist software by its fundamental nature, even if many feminists do not yet realize it) that can remedy the underlying sickness that gave rise (both in the media and on the ground) to the misogynerd narrative.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @04:02PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @04:02PM (#706671)

    lizard people

    misogynerd narrative

    Why do you bother posting this anonymously when it's clear you're whatserface our resident crazy trans person

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @05:46PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @05:46PM (#706713)

      And yet I get modded up for similar points when I do not include phrases such as those.

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @07:48PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 13 2018, @07:48PM (#706757)

        because you don't sound like a crazy person when you don't use crazy phrases

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 13 2018, @05:34PM (1 child)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday July 13 2018, @05:34PM (#706708) Journal

    the misogynerd narrative...

    Or maybe some folks just read some of the comments on sites like this...

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:33AM (#706936)

      DeathMonkey, how many times have you been "asked" by an employer to "train" a womyn in programming who had no aptitude for it whatsoever? What if a vendor outright lied about the capabilities of their product to your employer?

      A unexpected mother who hadn't paid attention in math class since kindergarten? I've tried it. Guess what? Programming is a mathematical discipline. Somebody who would much rather be retired, spending time with her large family, and is instead being forced to work due to the systematic theft of wealth from the working class facilitated by policies that the DNC supports? Guess what? One requires something other than the slavedriver's whip of capitalism over her head to learn programming. I risk mentioning them because they at least quickly understood they were in over their heads, it was not something they wanted to do, and the vendor was full of shit.

      Now add in high turnover, and this is something I frequently had the opportunity to do.

      Now you will proceed from the assumption that I have not demonstrated capability of mentoring a person who possess a womb in programming, thus indicating some problem with my bathroom mirror. Well, I have demonstrated that capability. In fact, you'll never believe it, but I even helped her report one of her (male) supervisors for sexual harassment simply because it was the right thing to do. She must have had at least some measure of trust in me to even talk to me about it. Head exploding yet?

      You will not understand why right now, but it will become apparent to you with sufficient hindsight in a decade or two that it was this exact hubris and dismissal of authentic, lived experience that was responsible for Trump and the overturning of Roe v. Wade. You simply refuse to listen. Perhaps when Roe v. Wade is overturned you will begin listening, but it is doubtful.

      You are an apologist and enabler for women who can't even overcome their reactionary attitudes for long enough to keep their beloved music festival open [michfest.com]. And MWMF is only one example of the many diverse flavors of reactionary attitudes held by women. Another attitude some have is taking the epistemological position of silence, completely rejecting the idea that the world is knowable. Others find the epistemological position of received knowledge the most comfortable; men will tell them what to think, and they will think, "Trump! Trump! Trump!" And the polling data proves this empirically.

      Do you understand that reactionary feminists are vocal and not shy about physical confrontation? D you understand what it's like being cornered and physically intimidated in a place of work by people who are taller than you? Do you understand what it's like being sexually harassed, repeatedly, without having any power to stop it? Do you even understand what it is like when somebody physically stronger than you forcefully grabs you and attempts to fondle your breasts in order to sexually humiliate you?

      No, I don't think you do. Let me guess. You find the idea a turn-on and you're getting hard just thinking about it, thus committing a basic error of chauvinism in your analysis. Chauvinism causes the error of believing that a sexual harassment victim secretly enjoyed it, and it causes you to sympathize with the abuser because you fundamentally do not understand why the victim would ever object to such a thing in the first place. At least we have established that DeathMonkey is a male chauvinist who cannot imagine thinking with an organ other than his WJC.

      Or maybe some folks just read some of the comments on sites like this...

      I think I have enough experience with women to dismiss your concern. Maybe you should get out of your mother's basement some time and meet some women face to face.