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posted by chromas on Sunday July 15 2018, @06:54AM   Printer-friendly
from the begun-the-clone-wars-have dept.

Chinese companies are manufacturing chips nearly identical to AMD's Epyc server CPUs, using two joint ventures with AMD. This move comes after the US blacklisted certain Chinese supercomputing centers in 2015 in an attempt to prevent them from using Intel Xeon chips, and more recently, Chinese telecom equipment maker ZTE was banned from buying components from US companies. China's Sunway TaihuLight supercomputer (formerly #1 on the TOP500 list) also uses domestically designed Sunway SW26010 manycore chips.

AMD's Epyc "clone army" may end up hurting Intel's server chip market share even more than it already has:

China isn't eager to embrace another American chipmaker like AMD. In response, AMD established two joint ventures with Chinese holding company THATIC -- one with Chengdu Haiguang Microelectronics Technology (CHMT), and another with Haiguang IC Design, also known as Hygon.

AMD owns a majority stake in CHMT, which ensures that its IP isn't transferred to THATIC. THATIC owns a majority stake in Hygon, which licenses AMD's IP from CHMT. Hygon designs the chips, and CHMT produces the chips through a suitable foundry and then sends them back to Hygon for packaging, marketing, and sales.

This arrangement seemingly placates American and Chinese regulators -- AMD's IP isn't being passed to a Chinese company, and a Chinese chipmaker gains access to superior data center CPU designs. AMD generates less revenues through these JVs than it would through direct sales, but it still gains a foothold in China's massive data center market. But more importantly, this move could wound Intel.

Good luck maintaining control of your "IP". As for the pain?

Many big companies, including Microsoft and Baidu, started installing AMD's cheaper chips in their data centers. In a meeting with Nomura Instinet analyst Romit Shah in June, then-CEO Brian Krzanich admitted that AMD was gaining ground, and Intel was trying to prevent it from gaining a "15% to 20%" share of the data center market. That admission was stunning, since Intel traditionally controlled more than 99% of the data center market with its Xeon chips. Intel's data center group grew its revenues by 11% to $19.1 billion last year, and accounted for 30% of its top line. Epyc was already a thorn in Intel's side, but AMD's sponsorship of Chinese clones could throttle its sales in mainland China, which accounted for 24% of its sales last year. Its total sales in the region only rose 6% in 2017, compared to 20% growth in 2016.


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  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:23PM (8 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:23PM (#707608) Journal

    Shit. Just when I was getting back my respect for (what used to be) my favorite CPU manufacturer even. China's fucking evil. I can only hope this is some sort of "four-dimensional chess" ploy and whatever comes out of this has more benefit than allowing China's domestic CPU industry to get off the ground.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:37PM (2 children)

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Sunday July 15 2018, @02:37PM (#707620) Journal

    Funny you should mention that. I bet China makes 90+% of the new chess boards in the world.

    For a country that will hack to get a hold of trade secrets, this is like bringing a buffet straight to them. Still, it doesn't mean that they will be able to reproduce Zen 2 (7nm) or Zen 3. I guess this could hurt AMD if China started exporting the chips to countries that don't care about protecting US IP, or if they stopped paying AMD for each chip produced (or whatever the arrangement is). We may be too pessimistic though.

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    • (Score: 2) by requerdanos on Sunday July 15 2018, @09:29PM (1 child)

      by requerdanos (5997) on Sunday July 15 2018, @09:29PM (#707716) Journal

      if China started exporting the chips to countries that don't care about protecting US IP

      It would seem that no further export is necessary for the chips to be in a country that doesn't think much of US trademarks, copyrights, nor patents. The chips are already in China at this point, a country known for years [businessinsider.com] as a world leader in counterfeit merchandise [cracked.com].

      Am I just being dense and missing the point?

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday July 16 2018, @10:57AM

        by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Monday July 16 2018, @10:57AM (#707850) Journal

        You already said it on the previous story.

        According to the agreement, the final products can only be sold within China's borders

        Regardless of how bad China is, if that holds true, then the agreement has probably been respected (they may also have to pay AMD for every chip produced). If China starts exporting chips identical to Epyc, that's when AMD could be hurt.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Coward, Anonymous on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:03PM (2 children)

    by Coward, Anonymous (7017) on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:03PM (#707628) Journal

    You shouldn't call people evil, just because they are different.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:16PM (1 child)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:16PM (#707694) Journal

      The government of China is fucking evil, full stop. I know about the organ harvesting vans, what they do to their own citizens, let's not forget the Great Firewall, etc...

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16 2018, @03:59AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16 2018, @03:59AM (#707796)

        If someone deserves to die, I'm not opposed to taking their organs. How else can they pay their debt to society? Whether the justice system is fair is a different question. But you sound like a shrinking violet. So the US government likes to torture confessions out of people. Evil and good can coexist in one institution. Whine about the Great Firewall all you want. The PRC government has achieved a lot more for it's people than the more democratic government of India.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @05:58PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @05:58PM (#707670)

    No, China is not evil. At least not any more evil than America or Belgium or Sweden. You need to get out more and quit listening to your local propaganda. Different doesn't automatically mean scary or bad. Your government wants you to believe that your country is the best and all other countries are evil. Don't fall for it.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:14PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:14PM (#707693) Journal

      ...um, are you aware I spent most of my childhood in one of the nation's largest Chinatowns, can read and speak a little (Mandarin) Chinese, and am dating an ethnically-Chinese woman by way of Malaysia? It's not the people, it's the government.

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