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posted by chromas on Wednesday August 01 2018, @01:31PM   Printer-friendly
from the delete-this dept.

Activist publishes 11,000 Wikileaks Twitter direct messages

An activist has published 11,000 direct messages on Twitter between the Wikileaks account and a group of its supporters. The direct messages were published by Emma Best on her own website. Her Twitter account states that she is a journalist on the East Coast. Best has been critical of Wikileaks and has advocated for government transparency. Some of the direct messages were previously published, but this is the first time all of the direct messages have been posted.

The messages show that Wikileaks wanted the GOP to defeat Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential elections. "We believe it would be much better for the GOP to win," the Wikileaks account states to a supporter named "Emmy B" in one of the messages from 2015.

Why would they do that?

Clinton: I don't recall joking about droning Julian Assange

Oh.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @02:25PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @02:25PM (#715676)
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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @02:38PM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @02:38PM (#715686)

    Wikileaks staffers come out of this expose remarkably well.

    Muh "transphobia":

    [2015-05-03 00:28:47] <WISE Up Wales> Gender identity politics is a nightmare. & a gift to the state, unfortunately.

    [2015-05-03 00:29:28] <WikiLeaks> Yes. Gender essentialism is regressive.

    [2015-05-03 00:30:58] <WikiLeaks> The whole fight was to liberate people from essentialism and understand that gender is a matrix of many biological signaling paths and..

    [2015-05-03 00:32:14] <WikiLeaks> …behaviors, each of which can have different strength accross individuals and societies.

    [2015-05-03 00:35:04] <WISE Up Wales> There’s no liberation where the fight’s ended up: now we’ve ‘the cotton ceiling’ where blokes who say they feel like they’re women…

    [2015-05-03 00:35:21] <WISE Up Wales> …possibly only part time, complain that lesbians won’t have sex with them!

    Muh "Trumpism":

    [2016-07-25 22:14:16] <Emmy B> In relation to attempts by Clinton and allies to link WL with Russia on the latest release, the implication is (apart from obviously attempting to discredit/weaken the release’s impact), that it feeds into the Grand Jury ‘Espionage’ investigation. however flimsy the ‘Russian conspiracy’ is, the Grand Jury investigation role is to criminalise through a legal conspiracy.

    [2016-07-27 15:24:25] <LibertarianLibrarian> It makes much more sense that this is an insider leak. Bet plenty of people are pissed at the DNC’s behavior.

    [2016-08-12 04:17:36] <Emmy B> Speculation: preempting WL future revelations to minimise Clinton damage by identifying others as responsible of corruption not her?

    [2016-11-03 14:29:47] <LibertarianLibrarian> What is amazing is that even people who are otherwise smart are so afraid of Trump, they think all the facts of Clinton’s corruption is bought by Trump. I detest Trump, but don’t believe for 1 second that Clinton isn’t utterly criminal.

    [2016-11-03 15:26:00] <Emmy B> I saw it. There will be 1001 opinions on the matter if US/UK establishment was not pushing the it’s the Russians/Martians line.

    [2016-11-03 15:32:57] <LibertarianLibrarian> LOL Emmy! But very true. Ironic how things come around again. The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming. *sigh*

    [2016-11-09 04:14:49] <LibertarianLibrarian> Glad I ended up sleeping through last night. Insanity. I don’t like Trump but I do understand the vote. I suspect it parallels the Brexit – people showing how angry they are with the status quo. Going to be crazy for a while, but don’t expect Trump to be anything but manages by the establishment.

    [2017-03-11 10:14:05] <LibertarianLibrarian> Life goes on. There’s a lot of utter disgust with Trump, Washington, etc. I suspect most people just expect to get screwed over by govt. I think most people are against that stupid Mexican wall thing. Women’s groups are generally up in arms re Trump, I’m still wondering why they weren’t the same re Bill Clinton. The fight over the pipeline still ongoing. No one has a clue what’s going to happen re Obamacare. And generally we all knew we were spied on anyway and no one ever liked the CIA, so I suspect the average person’s response is ‘so what’s new?’ Sad, but I had kinds thought the same thing.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Wednesday August 01 2018, @04:00PM (8 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday August 01 2018, @04:00PM (#715750) Journal

      "Women’s groups are generally up in arms re Trump, I’m still wondering why they weren’t the same re Bill Clinton."

      #1 Trump is Charasmatic, but is a loud mouth and seem not to have much in the way of "manners."

      #2 Clinton is Charasmatic, but also has "manners."

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @05:09PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @05:09PM (#715797)

        Manners go a long way and generally indicate a person has had some ethical learning. Doesn't mean they are a good person, many liars and cheats seem like wonderful people at first.

        Clinton did a lot of shitty stuff, typical neo-liberal agenda selling out the people, but I would 100% rather have him around than Trump. Trump has pretty much zero redeeming value and only accidentally do his policies have side effects which help out the average person.

        You are comparing apples and oranges. Also, at least Bill's escapades were consensual. Trump is a gross example of why we have sexual harassment laws and would make a good poster boy for the #metoo movement.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @05:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @05:13PM (#715798)

          Lol, someone isn't old enough to remember Juanita Broaderick.

        • (Score: 1) by exaeta on Wednesday August 01 2018, @07:17PM

          by exaeta (6957) on Wednesday August 01 2018, @07:17PM (#715862) Homepage Journal

          I don't think his policies are "accidentally" good. I think he actually has some brains, but is a "people pleaser". Although you might dislike Trump, I think he's trying to appeal to his fan base and sell his products (after his presidential run is over), rather than be a well-liked guy.

          He's realized that he can get a *cough* certain segment *cough* of the population to like him by acting this way. It's very intentional and not an issue of lack of self control. Compare and contrast pre-politics Trump to post-politics Trump. He actually seems fairly smart. Which is why, despite how he sounds, many of his policies actually work, granted, he does implement some stupid ones (mostly to please that *cough* certain segment *cough* of the population).

          In a nutshell, Trump is a selfish businessman that actually has done some sensible things when *cough* certain people *cough* aren't looking, but when they are he will usually do whatever they want him to. (I am also assuming, he may be more sensible when he isn't up for reelection in his second term)

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 02 2018, @02:38PM (4 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 02 2018, @02:38PM (#716241) Homepage Journal

        So, manners is defined as having a socio- and psycho-pathic wife who will make the bodies disappear?

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        • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday August 02 2018, @02:51PM (3 children)

          by Freeman (732) on Thursday August 02 2018, @02:51PM (#716250) Journal

          Dictionary.com definitions I'm referring to:
          "2b) ways of behaving with reference to polite standards; social comportment: That child has good manners.
          3a) person's outward bearing; way of speaking to and treating others: She has a charming manner."

          In other words it's a Southern Thing. https://www.tripsavvy.com/how-to-be-a-southerner-2212278 [tripsavvy.com]

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 02 2018, @03:08PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 02 2018, @03:08PM (#716261) Homepage Journal

            Yeah, it may be a southern thing - but these kids have begun to annoy me. Four, five years ago, some of them started calling me "Mister Runaway". I griped. Griping about it just caused more of them to call me that. Now? About the only people who don't "mister" me are the ones I've been working with for more than ten years. That is, all the rest of the old bastards.

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            • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday August 02 2018, @03:19PM (1 child)

              by Freeman (732) on Thursday August 02 2018, @03:19PM (#716280) Journal

              The first one may have been genuine, but assuming the others know you don't like being called that. They're not being polite and / or they're not comfortable calling you anything else. The older you are, the more likely someone's going to call you Mister. Have you already been asked about the Senior Discount? At a certain point some people just look a bit older, like my dad. Who just took it in stride and usually made some small joke around it. Sure, he's old enough now to get the Senior Discount when going out to eat, but it's not necessarily so cool to be 40s-50s and being asked about a Senior Discount (Typically 65+, for those that may not know).

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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 03 2018, @01:01AM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 03 2018, @01:01AM (#716514) Homepage Journal

                Senior discounts - yeah. Now and then. It's not something I think about. Waitress or cashier asks me how old I am - I just respond, because, uhhh, conditioning I guess. Yeah, I'm eligible, but I'm not looking for a discount when I sit down for a meal, or whatever.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @04:40PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @04:40PM (#715782)

      Who is WISE Up Wales?

      Well anyway, for the peanut gallery, here is gender essentialism [wikipedia.org]. We are interested in the transfeminism section:

      Furthermore, the essentialism of gender in feminist theory presents a problem when understanding transfeminism. Instead of understanding trans studies as another subsection or subjectivity to be subsumed under the category of "woman", we understand the task of trans studies to be "the breaking apart of this category, particularly if that breaking requires a new articulation of the relation between sex and gender, male and female". Trans subjectivity challenges the binary of gender essentialism as it disrupts the "fixed taxonomies of gender" and this creates a resistance in women's studies, which as a discipline has historically depended upon the fixedness of gender. The expressions that exist in trans identities break down the very possibility of gender essentialism by queering the binary of gender, gender roles and expectations. In recent years through the written work of transfeminists like Sandy Stone, the theory around trans women and their inclusion into feminist spaces has opened, just like it has opened in respect to race, class, sexuality and ability historically.

      IOW, the problem with gender essentialism in relation to feminism and the alt-right is the taxonomic approach to gender transition, whereby we see a fundamentally male person become a fundamentally female person. (Of course, we never see this process in reverse, because trans men are even more invisible than bisexual people. This is explained by bathroom hysteria.)

      The science says this is not correct, but that depends on how we define man and woman. A limited part of gender essentialism may be correct. Brain sex is determined during the second month of pregnancy and thereafter immutable. If we instead approach gender transition as a medical procedure to correct a reproductive system of mismatched gender (perhaps only because we do not know how to change the brain's sex) and see the patient as a member of the sex of their brain instead of reproductive system, a lot of this stuff gets so much easier.

      Introducing brain sex throws all this crap out like so many epicycles to explain planetary motion and gives us an ellipse instead.

      The user Wikileaks talks about other brain imaging studies that show that gender may not be a specturm. However that study did not disprove the earlier study, afaik, that showed that brain imaging can be used as a crude diagnostic of brain sex in both cisgender and transgender people.

      (In fact, once we understand that brain sex exists and we throw the epicycles out, we will see that there is no longer any need for these cis and trans labels. I believe it can be demonstrated that the cis and trans labels are epicycles. However, that involves bringing out the entire zoo of gender non-conforming people, from intersex people, to androgen insensitive women, to women with functional reproductive systems raised by wolves [and thus not meeting one interpretation put forward by a semi-transfeminist here of the cisgender experience], etc, etc.)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @06:56PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @06:56PM (#715852)

        This is explained by bathroom hysteria

        We separate the sexes based on biological sex and not gender. Responsible parents do not allow their young daughters to be placed in potential danger and adult females think likewise. [bbc.co.uk] See the problem:

        Campaign group Stonewall said transgender people had a right to access single-sex facilities.

        They can use single-sex facilities, the sex they were born with or the male bathroom. Y chromosome, male bathroom, end of discussion!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @07:31PM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @07:31PM (#715868)

          We separate the sexes based on biological sex and not gender. Responsible parents do not allow their young daughters to be placed in potential danger and adult females think likewise.

          That's retarded. Bathrooms are not heavily guarded places, so any potential rapists could just enter them if they wanted. Allowing transgender people into bathrooms designed for the sex they were not born as would not increase the chances of people being raped at all. If you think it would, then you're just an irrational moron.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @07:53PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @07:53PM (#715879)

            i don't think people are worried about actual trannies raping kids. they're more worried about their kids being exposed to the tranny itself and/or it's wang. parents don't want their small kids exposed to certain things until they are older. period. also, tranny imposters who are child sex offenders are a conceivable threat.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:18PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:18PM (#715962)

              parents don't want their small kids exposed to certain things until they are older. period.

              Well, too bad. I don't think society should accommodate snowflakes at all, whether they are of the left-wing or right-wing variety. I don't care if someone's crotch fruit witnesses something that they are offended by.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:59PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:59PM (#715981)

                I don't think society should accommodate snowflakes

                We don't, that's why you're being put in your place here.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02 2018, @01:02AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02 2018, @01:02AM (#715996)

                  You are a snowflake, though. Just a different type of snowflake from SJWs.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @08:13PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @08:13PM (#715887)

            then you're just an irrational moron.

            Wrong! [metro.co.uk] It's not bathrooms but "facilities", including female changing rooms at the municipal pool. Insult people all you like, the majority will not support men in female facilities.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:21PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:21PM (#715964)

              Wrong about what? Why would that even matter that it's not just about bathrooms, since that doesn't change the point? Maybe changing rooms should be better designed in the first place, so that they actually provide privacy.

              I don't care that snowflakes might be offended that someone they don't approve of might enter their safe spaces. Period. Ultimately, the idea that this will somehow increase rape rates is just ridiculous, regardless of what you think the bathroom rules should be.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:47PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 01 2018, @11:47PM (#715975)

                I don't care that snowflakes might be offended

                You clearly are offended.

                someone they don't approve of might enter their safe spaces.

                Not safe spaces, private spaces.

                Ultimately, the idea that this will somehow increase rape rates is just ridiculous

                Exactly because females are not sharing private female facilities with biological males. Great we got there in the end.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02 2018, @01:07AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02 2018, @01:07AM (#715998)

                  You clearly are offended.

                  You'd be wrong. I just think you're incorrect, hypocritical, and logically inconsistent.

                  Not safe spaces, private spaces.

                  You wouldn't accept this weak argument if an SJW said it, but don't let that stop you.

                  Exactly because females are not sharing private female facilities with biological males. Great we got there in the end.

                  There's nothing stopping a biological male who wants to rape from entering a female bathroom/changing room, regardless of what rules are in place. Bathrooms/changing rooms are not heavily guarded areas and it would be trivial for anyone to enter them. We already know that rapists are more than willing to break the law, so you're just a moron for saying this.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02 2018, @08:37PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 02 2018, @08:37PM (#716440)

                    You wouldn't accept this weak argument if an SJW said it, but don't let that stop you.

                    The right to privacy is recognised in the UN Declaration of Human Rights but don't let your false equivalence stop you.

                    There's nothing stopping a biological male who wants to rape from entering a female bathroom/changing room, regardless of what rules are in place. Bathrooms/changing rooms are not heavily guarded areas and it would be trivial for anyone to enter them. We already know that rapists are more than willing to break the law, so you're just a moron for saying this.

                    You're seriously claiming that opportunistic acts of violence are not prevented by removing the opportunity? Your reasoning is both fallacious and dangerous.