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President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.
[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."
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Misfortune, n.:
The kind of fortune that never misses.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:20PM (21 children)
Maybe he should give Russia another 20% of our uranium. They seem to leave those types of stories alone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:26PM (4 children)
* [citation required]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:57PM
We don't need no citations. We have alternative facts, rumors, and the most popular dedicated propaganda cable channel.
We can keep people focused on someone who lost an election almost two years ago, as a cover-up for everything we currently do.
Yes, somehow, it works. Glad we slashed education funding a while back, it's clearly paying off. How about them Bears ?
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:04PM (1 child)
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html [nytimes.com]
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-clintons-putin-and-uranium-2015-4 [businessinsider.com]
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/how-putin-s-russia-gained-control-of-a-u-s-uranium-mine [bloomberg.com]
Go ahead and dispute it with a Snopes "false" rating, you know you want to.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:21PM
A Canadian company's uranium? I thought you meant American uranium when you said "our uranium".
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:10AM
If you live under a rock in Antarctica, then I might believe you've never heard of Uranium One. And, that all happened under the responsibility of Hillary Clinton, while she held one of the highest offices in this country.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:27PM (2 children)
So dealings with Russia are 100% OK except if Hillary was involved? Has the concept of legal/illegal just fled your brain out of frustration? Perhaps your brain is simply trying to cope with the task of defending Trump while he makes it harder and harder to do so?
It is amazing how low the bar has gotten for the office of the President. Straight up lies don't matter, morality doesn't matter, calling the press the enemy of the people doesn't matter. Anyone defending Trump at this point is a total loon. Defend some of his policies if you really do like them, but the man himself is a walking dumpster fire.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:37PM (1 child)
the degenerate scum planted in every tv news station around the country is the enemy of the people. they're nothing but anti-american propaganda agents (no matter which group of whores is in office). the fact that you act like they are the press just shows you're either really dumb or really full of shit.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:49PM
So finally we see you types regretting corporate control and monopolization?
I dislike the major media outlets and choose to ignore them, but trying to paint them as traitorous bastards that need to be killed off is PSYCHO TALK!
Freedom of speech which is so treasured by most of this site is out the window? You are insane, really dumb, or really full of shit. Better yet, you probably made the Hat Trick!
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:44PM (3 children)
Why isn’t the A.G. or Special Council looking at the many Hillary Clinton or Comey crimes. 33,000 e-mails deleted? What about all of the Clinton ties to Russia, including Podesta Company, Uranium deal, Russian Reset, big dollar speeches etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:03PM (1 child)
Jesus, this shit again? Why do you keep posting/tweeting/whatever your masturbation mantra? Can't you keep anything to yourself?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:09PM
Is troll account, pay no mind. Cheapest troll in history, one peepee tape and he works for us. We pay more to Ivan down in Brusclieska, ah ah ah!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:44PM
You do know that the entire DoJ works for Trump now, right? He's constantly bitching about the exact same thing.
Its no derp state conspiracy, its because they already looked into all that shit and they found nothing.
Your guy won, get over it.
(Score: 5, Informative) by julian on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:45PM (4 children)
This story is still, years later, complete horseshit, [snopes.com]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:12PM
But whatabout my whataboutism???
Lock her up! Locker her up!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Pav on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:52PM
Complete horseshit?! Are you serious? Did you read through that article, especially to the "update" portion on Vadim Mikerin being investigated for both corruption and connection to the Clinton foundation?
This is the same Clinton foundation which (despite billions in donations) channelled the vast majority of Haiti relief to... elsewhere. Bill and Hillary gained a quarter billion in the last 15 years alone. What's the old saw about those who gain wealth in public office? We even SAW IN THEIR OWN WORDS how Hillary and her campaign subverted US democracy by cheating Bernie in the primaries, and colluded with the media to "elevate" Trump. Oh, but ignore that... because the DNC is a corporation and are allowed to do that (BTW, a judge specifically threw this argument out in court during the DNC fraud lawsuit). Oh, and ignore cheating Bernie because the emails proving this weren't leaked... it was a RUSSIAN HACK, Russia, Russia, Russia, and we're at war (or something). Machiavelli would be pround - blame your opponent for your own weaknesses. Brilliant!
I'm sure if I had that much money I could arrange to get a big fat FALSE instead of an UNPROVEN on Snopes. I mean... Clinton wasn't SOLELY responsible for making the Uranium One decision... oh, and the guy who owned the company before payed EVEN MORE in s/bribes/donations to the Clinton Foundation anyway. And some time had passed between the payment and the decision. And the Vadim Mikerin corruption investigations links to the Clinton foundation are still being investigated... I'm sure there's nothing to that at all, so of course the whole Uranium One scandal deserves a nice red FALSE at Snopes!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:14AM
So - uhhhh - you're moving responsibility for that uranium sale off of Hillary's shoulders, directly onto Obama's shoulders? Good enough, I guess. It only helps to prove that the Dems hop into bed with Russians when it is convenient, while screaming and shouting if they think the Repubs might be doing the same thing.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by arulatas on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:30PM
Facts are the enemy to conspiracy theorists.
----- 10 turns around
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:59PM (3 children)
The others have cited that there's a paper trail at least trying to establish the pretense of removing conflicts of interest, and a disconnect between who was responsible for that decision and Clinton.
Let's say that's a crock of shit and Clinton still actually betrayed the country. Why would you overlook the people in power now being corrupt and complicit to focus on someone who's out of office? Is that really who you want to be?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Pav on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:31AM (2 children)
When the Democrats have attacked Trump on policy it has often been from the right eg. on war, trade etc... and they silently agreed with Trump on both his vast increase of the military budget and the tax cuts. Even on immigration Hillary spoke about a fence instead of a wall during the campaign. Personally I'd rather an incompetent corrupt plutocrat (Trump) than a competent servant of corrupt plutocrats. Lets say Trump messed up by not paying his Russian informants like Clinton paid hers, and this amounts to a crime worthy of impeachment - be careful what you wish for. Already many progressive leftists, black lives matter etc... have been painted in the media as Russian puppets and even traitors. This is shaping up to be a new McCarthyism, and that's not a good thing. Don't align yourself with Robert "weapons of mass destruction" Mueller... a proven liar on Iraq. The security agencies can hardly be called Unbiased Purveyors of Truth, not to mention they are traditional enemies of the progressive left, and these days seemingly the anti-intervention right. They've even legalised propagandising the American people, which (if one didn't know any better :) ) might suggest they were planning on misinforming the public quite a bit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:34PM (1 child)
I was not surprised when I googled your claim and the first five hits were russian propaganda sites.
If that's not proof that Mueller's investigation has got the russians quaking I don't know what is.
BTW, Mueller has made no substantive public or off-the-record statements about the investigation for anyone to "align" with. That ship is so tight that it hasn't leaked a single drop.
But he has collected six guilty pleas from five criminals:
o Michael Flynn - Whitehouse National Security Advisor
o George Papadapolous - Campaign National Security Advisor
o Richard Gates - Lieutenant to Campaign Chair
o Richard Penedo - Broker of stolen identities to Russians
o Alex van der Zwaan - Son-in-law of Russian oligarch German Khan (owner of Alfa Group)
(Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:45AM
Googled myself, and I did get RT... but those other "Russian propaganda sites" were Washington Post, CNN and Wikipedia... even Mother Jones - "Lie by lie - how we got into Iraq". I suppose they've all become Putin puppets, right? McCarthyism = not engaging with an argument, and smearing ideological enemies as traitors... way to prove my point!
BTW, have you seen the bullshit charges those "Trump scalps" have been pulled up on? eg. lying to the FBI, "ordinary" corrupt Washington practices, wire fraud etc... I have no doubt Trump is neck-deep in garden variety corruption, as are most of these oligarchs and their political servants. Makes a good headline though (provided noone reads into it too deeply).
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:34PM (39 children)
If the United States cannot handle one candidate meeting with people to get information on another candidate, then we're all fucked.
This bullshit use of the law for the purposes of political persecution is extraordinarily un-American.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:40PM
maybe the bootlicking slaves around the country will finally see what kind of traitors work at the FBI. ruby ridge and waco didn't seem to do the trick.
(Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:04PM (35 children)
I care. Opposition research is kinda scummy, but necessary. The dirty work of democracy. When it's paid for by a campaign from their own funds.
When it's done by a foreign intelligence agency with a very recent history of hostile actions against the US. With an implied quid-pro-quo of changing foreign policy goals of the US to protect that foreign government. That's treason. Or a severe hatch act violation if you're generous.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:08PM (14 children)
That makes this a witch hunt.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:14PM (13 children)
I know you're being intellectually dishonest, but mind if I pretend for 1 conversation you're being sincere?
Could you clarify what what word, phrase, or sentence in my post is the "that" which makes "this" a witch hunt?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:46PM (12 children)
And even if you could, it doesn't fucking matter—if it did matter, that would be grounds for tearing down the whole U.S. system and re-building it anew.
You and your ilk are just engaged in a long-term smear campaign for the purposes of politics. How about you come up with better ideas instead? Convince the American electorate to vote for you rather than against Trump.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:47PM (11 children)
This kinda shit is why the most sensible, peaceful solution to our national divide is just mass execution of republicans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:57PM (6 children)
"Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself."
Behold, ladies and gentlemen, the violence inherent in my collocutor's philosophy.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:11PM (5 children)
Ah, obviously contradicting yourself to make a joke, 100% guaranteed to not be understood by right wingers. It's such a weird mental block you guys have.
You can put the words "peacefully" and "mass executions" practically side by side, and they cannot grapple with the idea that it may be in jest.
But the central point that you're pathologically unreachable is still relevant.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:17PM (4 children)
Smooth recovery, Mao.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:33PM (2 children)
"Locker room talk"
"Both sides"
"Very good people" (the nazis)
You can try and mimic Trump but his sociopath nonsense only works on dummies like you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:37PM (1 child)
Hypocrisy, much?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:24PM
Trollolol
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:45PM
Reminded of you today I know, it's a weird ass journalist tweet. Click it anyways. [twitter.com].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:03PM (3 children)
Mass execution of democrats would work just as well.
All that's really left to decide in the U.S. is who will be on which side of the barbed wire fences around the death camps.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:38PM (2 children)
FWOOOOOOOSH!
Damn your ear drums must have popped with how fast that thing went over head.
You live in fear and hate, *golf clap* gj gj
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:52PM (1 child)
In an era where an openly anti-white hate monger gets employment at the supposed "newspaper of record" -- and they defend their hiring of her -- then no, I will NOT assume that such a statement is merely a joke.
There are people out there who have openly called for the genocide of white people (George Ciccariello-Maher, at Drexel University). Now you're talking about killing republicans. I don't think you're joking; I think you're trying to hide behind a claim of joking while stating what you really want to happen.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:43PM
"White genocide" is a term made up by american nazis because nobody will fuck them [wikipedia.org] so they aren't making enough babies to keep up with the brown babies.
Its not about killing anyone, its about people like you being so pathetic that you can't get laid.
No wonder it triggers you.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:23PM (8 children)
It came out at the Comey hearing that the fbi initiated an investigation of the Trump due to information paid for by the clinton campaign from russian spys (via fusion gps). So there is known public evidence of collusion between the clinton campaign and russian spys, no public evidence currently for the trump campaign. And to make it worse it looks like the clinton campaign got trolled by the russians as part of it. Along with clicking random links in emails, worthless passwords, etc they are really looking like highly corrupt bumbling fools.
Are you aware of all this? Because its likely these talking points youre getting from somewhere are going to be what gets members of the clinton campaign arrested, if anything. It really is crazy that it seems like this simple trick could actually be real. Just read the actual reports rather than the summaries, I think youre being played.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:37PM
Sorry, Strzok hearing not Comey. It was in like the last 5 minutes, when the FBI suddenly said he could answer questions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:38PM (4 children)
Played by shills who try and scream the sky is green is more like it.
Once again, whataboutism is a terrible method of arguing. Is that all the weak sauce you've got to defend your traitor in chief?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:58PM (3 children)
Yea sure, its whataboutism. Good luck with that line on normal people. If the anti-trump stuff like that i keep seeing everywhere since 2016 isnt some false flag to associate that position with toxic idiocy Ill be really surprised.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (2 children)
Good. I look forward to your discovering the anti-trump stuff that you've been seeing everywhere is in fact toxic idiocy and that no false flags are necessary to reveal that we actually managed to elect the most incompetent President in history.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:59PM (1 child)
Heres what I see happening, the dnc has been tricked into supporting a "getting dirt on political opponents from russians is treason" narrative, so that the legal reasoning can be used to go after the clinton campaign whom has already been publically identified as doing that in a whole slew of documents and interviews. Meanwhile the evidence of the same from the trump campaign seems to still be lacking.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:39AM
You realize Mueller doesn't read this stuff right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:59AM (1 child)
No, it didn't. What came out is that the investigation started when Papadapolous wagged his drunk tongue to an Australian diplomat [nytimes.com] about the russians helping the campaign and that diplomat reported it to the FBI.
The steele dossier had nothing to do with the opening of the investigation - it didn't even exist yet. It was only used as adjunct material for a fisa warrant on carter page, a person that they previously got a warrant on in 2013. [justsecurity.org] And when they did get the dossier-assisted warrant in October 2016, Page was officially off the campaign since at least the previous month. [politico.com]
As for the general question of oppo research being used to justify opening an FBI investigation on a presidential candidate? Tell that HIllary Clinton who was investigated by the FBI largely on the basis of the Bannon/Mercer funded Clinton Cash oppo-research "book." [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @11:50AM
This is just flat out wrong, according to Strzok's testimony. Watch it, look at the actual evidence.
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:20PM (10 children)
I care. Opposition research is kinda scummy, but necessary. The dirty work of democracy. When it's paid for by a campaign from their own funds.
You mean, the thing that makes one of them legal and the other illegal?
§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:29PM (2 children)
'Cause that is what was supposedly offered: Information.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:52PM (1 child)
'Cause that is what was supposedly offered: Information.
Yes, information is a "thing of value."
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:39PM
See that is the problem. Most Trumpets don't think information is important or valuable.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:46PM (5 children)
And let's be clear here, in the 1990s Clinton's husband did some pretty fucking suspect things vis-a-vis "soft money" with a potential net origin of China. Though I don't think American citizen employees of a multinational corporation based in China should be banned from donating to a campaign, which would have made his acts illegal. Having companies not be allowed to "suggest" their employees donate to PACs would have been better.
Not that it matters anymore with Supreme-Court-Appoved SuperPACs where international money can be funneled through only a trivial amount of laundering to support any fucking candidate. At this point, corruption is basically the rule.
I'm not in the tank for Clinton. She was kinda very shit. It's just that every single Trump supporter actively hates the US and loves betraying it as long as it sticks it to the libs.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @08:29PM (4 children)
You claim that "every single Trump supporter actively hates the US and loves betraying it". OK...
If you see a US flag flying on a person's house, do you think it more likely that they voted for Clinton or Trump?
Consider the people who put their lives on the line for the USA, joining the military... how do you think they tend to vote?
On the other hand, consider the people who would run this place like Venezuela, with price floors (minimum wage) and price caps (rent control) and other dumb shit that might sound good. Did they vote for Trump?
What about people who would welcome uncivilized savages with a genuine no-joke rape culture? I'm not seeing how this could be the same people who want to build a wall and ban muslims.
Who is it trying to ban free speech? It isn't Trump supporters working at Twitter, Facebook, and Google. It isn't Trump supporters who banned Candice Owens for pointing out the racism of a New York Times editor. It isn't Trump supporters who banned Alex Jones on multiple platforms. Ripping out a person's tongue doesn't win the argument.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:17PM (2 children)
Jesus... If ever there was a prototypical answer for writing up how much Republicans do hate the United States and would betray its values, this post takes the cake.
We've got flag-worshiping idolatry, military-might-makes-America-right, got-mine-fuck-youism, xenophobia as good as any Nazi, and delusions of speech suppression on private platforms while completely ignoring that the President is more than guilty of calls for banning the speeches he doesn't like. [washingtonpost.com]
Thanks for proving the point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:23AM (1 child)
Obviously, I wouldn't pervert the terminology as you did, but those are American values.
It seems you have Scandinavian values, South American values, Commonwealth values, or something vaguely similar. You should move. You'll be happier, except to the extent that you benefit from the American values that you so despise. All of us normal Americans will be happier too, but you can pretend that we miss you and will be much worse off without you.
Seriously, you don't like us, and we don't like you. Pack your things. There are numerous lands that support your political views, but only this one land for us Americans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @02:14PM
Gosh, somebody needs a hug. Or a cookie. Run along and play, dear, that's a nice little troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:24PM
The FUD is STRONG with this one! Perhaps he is the one to make the (space)force great again!?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:56AM
Likely unconstitutional as even visitors the the United States are permitted the protections of the constitution. But it will likely never see court as they were just talking about their grandkids.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:02PM (1 child)
Looking at this site, with the mod army handing out -1 Troll to the Trump defenders and 5 Informative to the Hillary defenders, that is indeed where we are at.
If you lose at an election, you libel your opponent with everything you can come up with, with all the media and talking heads at your disposal.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:43AM
Hillary defenders? You wackos are so entrenched in the Fox narrative you are imagining boogey men everywhere! I haven't seen a single defense of HRC, though I have seen a lot of whataboutism attacks using her and lots of counters about whataboutism being stupid.
Here we have yet some more insanity from the resident Trump Troll. It isn't OUR fault you're blind and can't see Trump for what he is. Trump Derangement Syndrome was coined so perfectly by you projecting conservitards.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @06:14PM (2 children)
This info has got to be a year old by now. The rest of the story: The Obama administration mysteriously granted special permission for a banned lawyer to enter the USA. She then met with democrats (for what?), met with Trump Jr., and then met with democrats again. Hillary also knew in advance, seeing as she started talking about Russian connections in the summer of 2006.
If anything, this is indeed proof of Russian collusion to influence the election... by democrats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:00PM
Hello crazy has it been 2 minutes since you shitposted some whataboutism? We need MOAR!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @07:18PM
How much does the GRU pay these days?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @09:59PM
If Donald & Junior get convicted, she can take over as President and then pardon them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:12PM (2 children)
I can understand some political topics that overlap with technical type issues. Those seem just fine as stories here.
But this one is purely political, and as per usual the folks who maintain two completely different world views are simply yelling at each other.
Is this kind of story really the kind of thing that SN should be doing? Or am I, a lowly AC, simply out of touch with the direction SN is going?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:49PM
It's whiny libtards like you that make the world go round. Are you going to visit #CrookedHillary in prison?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:13PM
TFS is in the politics section, which is kinda intended to be used for bait, about which to rip out each others throats.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07 2018, @10:17PM (9 children)
Both statements could be correct. His son could have gone to the meeting in order to get info on political opponents. However, instead of that, they could have discussed the adoption issue because the other party was deceitful about having info on political opponents, and tried to push the adoption issue after having gotten his son (and others) to the meeting.
But that's too subtle an interpretation for those who are only interested in slinging mud at people.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:06PM (2 children)
That's what I'm seeing on the sidelines. Here's my read, not the exact words, but more how I'm interpreting it:
Don/Don Jr: We didn't meet the Russians on anything regarding the campaign
[Later] Don/Don Jr: We met the Russians regarding child adoption stuff.
Anti-Trumpers & MSM: OMG! Mutually exclusive statements! Lies!! Treason!!
Me: There could be something there, there could also not be. Someone should apply some elbow grease to find out. Sure if the question is solely about "meeting the Russians" regardless of context/topic, they did lie - but I've also learnt long time ago context is very important, having myself been taken out of context many many times by political backstabbers in the office...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @12:22AM (1 child)
It was not about child adoption. It was about Putin adopting Trump.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:47PM
That is about adopting a child.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @11:55PM (5 children)
His son could have gone to the meeting in order to get info on political opponents.
Which is a crime. Again, your best case scenario is election fraud by the son of the President.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @03:29AM (4 children)
The best you have is that if the info had a monetary value and was given free, it could be considered a donation of that value. Well, no info was given, and there has been nothing to suggest that the info would have been free if it existed.
You know who was getting opponent research from foreigners? Yeah... HER. Did she pay full price?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @08:12AM (3 children)
It didn't happen, and if it did it wasn't illegal!
Fucking hell, can you not SEE the people you are aligning yourself with? Your entire argument boils down to "well YOUR candidate was terrible too!!!" when a lot of liberals around here did NOT vote for Hillary and we think she is a terrible person for torpedoing Bernie.
Stop with the whataboutism and admit that you got the GOP version of Hillary, you got worked over by a Donald. An angry duck who can only preen his own feathers and has already sold out all his supporters whether they realize it or not. You're backing a turd, much like any Hillary supporters would be doing if she had won.
Come to terms with it, then meet us regular folk who didn't want either of the two options.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @04:31PM
Guys like you are just as responsible for trump as that lickspittle.
The fact that you think obama 2.0, aka hillary was the equivalent of trump and refused to vote for her had the same mathematical effect as the people voting for trump.
hillary was flawed, but nothing even remotely like trump's flaws, not even close.
and fools like you making that false equivalence are just unwitting tools of trump and his backers.
You don't have to apologize for fucking up, you don't even have to retract that bullshit you regurgitated about clinton because nothing you can do will undo your roll in electing trump.
But JFC now that you see where it got us, have some self-awareness, do some introspection and stop repeating that same idiocy going forward
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @10:11PM (1 child)
We did not get the GOP version of Hillary.
That would be McCain, Romney, or Jeb. All of them were globalists like Hillary and Obama. Well, I guess we did elect Bush Jr., but we weren't too fond of him, and that was many years ago.
Opposition to Trump is nearly the same as opposition to America itself. He is doing wonderful things for his country. He has, at least temporarily, saved the USA from decay and destruction.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @10:38PM
> That would be McCain, Romney, or Jeb.
True
> He has, at least temporarily, saved the USA from decay and destruction.
So false it reeks. trump's put a veener of gold lame over the most rotten, diseased administration in living memory. Just read today's investigative report about how he's put three multi-millionares buddies who pay him hundreds of thousands to hang at tsar-a-lago and have never served in charge of the VA.
(Score: 2) by DutchUncle on Wednesday August 08 2018, @07:44PM (1 child)
because they are the "foreign power" assumed to have other interests at heart. It is, however, a crime for Americans to help them. The constitution defines "Treason against the United States, ... adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. "
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @08:19PM
No, it is a crime for them too. Its (probably) not a crime under Russian law, but it is a crime under US law. Citizenship is not a requirement to make illegitimate campaign contributions illegal.
BTW, we have statutes that make similar things illegal for Americans to do that kind of thing in foreign countries. I'm not a lawyer, especially not an international relations lawyer, but off the top of my head, the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act would probably come into play if Americans tried to do stuff like that. It definitely comes into play when Americans try to bribe politicians in foreign countries for business purposes, even if the bribe is technically legal there.
You will be unsurprised to learn that trump has a long and public history of hating on the FCPA.