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posted by chromas on Friday August 24 2018, @06:56PM   Printer-friendly
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The Renaissance anatomist Andreas Vesalius's De humani corporis fabrica ('On the fabric of the human body') is a foundational work of medicine in the West. Its more than 200 woodcuts revolutionized how people pictured the human body, flayed and cut to reveal musculature, nerves, organs and bones. Even now, 475 years after it was first published, the bold images of skeletons and skinless 'muscle men' in sinuous poses (by illustrator Jan Steven van Calcar) beguile.

More than 700 copies survive from the 1543 and 1555 editions, which Vesalius supervised. Of these, roughly two-thirds contain comments in the margins, bizarre doodles, and coloured-in and even defaced images, as we reveal in our book The Fabrica of Andreas Vesalius. Early readers, on evidence, studied Vesalius's treatise diligently, yet had no compunction about scribbling in a hugely expensive volume.

Looking deeper, the marginalia tell two stories. One is that some found the images baffling, and attempted to clarify them in innovative ways. Another is that the pious found the figures' necessary nudity scandalous, and felt impelled to weigh in with ink and scissors. Our study of the reactions of hundreds of readers has taught us that medical communities do not always adopt innovative solutions quickly, even when they are presented in such an elegant format as the Fabrica. It takes time to get used to novelty. And we have learnt that even the most ingenious scientific minds can fail to predict how political and religious institutions will respond to their work.

Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05941-0


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @07:11PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @07:11PM (#725981)

    In this graph [google.com], you can see that the word "foundational" was basically nonexistent until the 1980s, when it saw an exponential rise in usage. I suspect that's because the word "fundamental" became associated with the word "fundamentalist", as in "fundamentalist Christian"; the rise of the political power of the evangelicals in America probably made "fundamental" a dirty word—indeed, when I hear "fundamental" (and especially "fundamentalist"), I think of raving, fanatical lunatics of any dogmatic sort.

    However, you can see in this graph [google.com] that the word "fundamental" is still probably the "correct" word, and "foundational" is just in its infancy as a real word.

    • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Sunday August 26 2018, @04:07PM

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Sunday August 26 2018, @04:07PM (#726578) Journal

      While that's an interesting theory (and I don't doubt some people shifted from "fundamental" for reasons you cite), "foundational" has been around since the 1650s [merriam-webster.com]. It may not have been popular, but it's not a new word.

      And my personal sense is that it means something slightly different. "Fundamental" also has the connotation of "basic," as in the SIMPLE underlying principles of something. I've rarely heard "foundational" used in that sense to imply the "basics." Whereas "foundational" can refer to the FOUNDING stuff that began something, as in the summary here. It was one of the texts that FOUNDED modern medicine, hence foundational.

        "Fundamental" is a similar word, but it doesn't have the same connotations. This book may also have been "fundamental," as in conveying the basic substance of the field as a textbook, but I don't think that's what TFA meant to convey.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @07:12PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @07:12PM (#725983)

    china thinks the "internets" need to be CLEAN and facebook will ban all mention of nudity?

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @07:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @07:32PM (#725989)

      hey BOT, can you smack some contextual sense into your friend here?

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:27PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:27PM (#726007)

    Why the clickbait headline? The summary is about a treatise on anatomy. Why can't we call it what it is?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:36PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:36PM (#726014)

      Another is that the pious found the figures' necessary nudity scandalous, and felt impelled to weigh in with ink and scissors.

      • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:57PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:57PM (#726022)

        Don't donate to the catholic church. Unless you approve of priests raping alter-boys and such, and you want to pay them to continue to do so. It's not a few isolated cases like the church tells you.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @09:07PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @09:07PM (#726026)

      The summary is about the censorship of reproductive organs from a 16th century anatomy book by its contemporary readers.

      You're asking Soylent's editors to remove "sex" from the title of Nature's story since it's "clickbait".

      You know, you're walking a thin line between being ironic and being stupid. And it's leaning towards the latter...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:31PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:31PM (#726010)

    According to the Hippocratic Collections the liver had five lobes. This concept was adopted by Galen and also became the concept of the medival physicians and teachers of anatomy. Still in his Tabulae Anatomicae from 1538, Andreas Vesalius illustrated the liver with five lobes, but in his public anatomy at Bologna in 1540 and in his famous books Fabrica and Epitome, both published in 1543, he stated that no such lobes existed in the human liver. The old view was based on animal dissections; thus in e.g. dog, cat, rabbit, swine and monkeys the liver has five or four distinct lobes. As a matter of fact the crucial question is not why, in a culture forbidding opening and dissection of human bodies, the on animals based concept, that the liver was split into five lobes, could arise and be maintained. The intriguing question is why the human liver still was said to have five lobes for more than 200 years after human autopsies had started. It is likely that the lag was partly due to belief in the ancient authorities and partly due to the fact that human anatomies were rare and most of the practical anatomy was still performed an animals.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18548944 [nih.gov]

    Reliance on "consensus" can hold back science for hundreds of years.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:49PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @08:49PM (#726018)

      Not a single mention of consensus in that article summary. Methinks you are trying to make an "alternate" "point"?

      What holds science back are the defenders of the status quo who reject new ideas as preposterous. It is dangerous to toss out ideas without any real consideration.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @09:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24 2018, @09:00PM (#726023)

        It is likely that the lag was partly due to belief in the ancient authorities

        Uniform belief in the same authorities is "consensus".

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @06:56AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @06:56AM (#726164)

    Yet another problem regarded the number of lobes of the liver. Generally ancient and medieval anatomists found five (the number in a dog). Renaissance anatomists were less sure about this number because increased dissection of human cadavers had suggested alternatives. "It has five lobes, sometimes four and three, sometimes two," wrote Jacopo Berengario da Carpi at the end of the fifteenth century. A few decades later, anatomists were even more skeptical of the five-lobed human liver. It is very rarely divided into five lobes; more frequently into four most frequently into three," wrote Andres de Laguna in 1535. The number that we count today -- two -- seems to have been quite difficult for them to see. Look at the medieval image of the liver to your left. Then look at a Renaissance image of the liver to your right. What differences do you observe?

    https://web.stanford.edu/class/history13/earlysciencelab/body/liverpages/medliver.gif [stanford.edu]
    https://web.stanford.edu/class/history13/earlysciencelab/body/liverpages/largeliver.gif [stanford.edu]

  • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday August 27 2018, @09:41PM

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday August 27 2018, @09:41PM (#727140) Journal

    De humani corporis fabrica ('On the fabric of the human body') is a foundational work of medicine in the West

    It was foundational. Using present tense makes it read like it is still used today as a basic reference.

    Early readers, on evidence, studied Vesalius's treatise diligently, yet had no compunction about scribbling in a hugely expensive volume.

    Are we sure that the margin notes and covers were created by the owners of their day / the medical community? (And they may well be, just no proof of that here).

    medical communities do not always adopt innovative solutions quickly

    So are we really equating the medical community of the 1500s with the medical community of the 2000s? Or equating the medical community of the 2000s with that of the 1500s? [citation needed]
    "Quickly," is relative and in this case without any referent. If you pretend to a rigorous article then quantify. At least tell me what quickly is in comparison to what?

    For the sake of argument allowing the statement, indeed the change process of medical bodies usually wait for incremental proofs before adopting a change. It's called an ethcial approach to applied science. And for every "miracle drug" that doesn't get approved overnight and cost lives there are more lives saved by not adopting quack ideas fast. Or such is the hope, anyway. And then there is the use of outmoded ideas and thoughts because the corpus of medicine and allied fields is so large that a provider might not be exposed to an idea or might not be prepared to adopt it readily in the face of something else that appears to work. Yet the body of knowledge advances over time. C'est la vie.

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