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Intel Reportedly "Petitioned Microsoft Heavily" to Use x86 Instead of ARM Chips in Surface Go

posted by chromas on Saturday August 25 2018, @01:53AM   Printer-friendly
from the cointelgo dept.

takyon writes:

Intel reportedly convinced Microsoft not to choose ARM for Surface Go

Microsoft launched its new Surface Go device earlier this month with an Intel Pentium Gold processor inside. It's been one of the main focus points for discussions around performance and mobility for this 10-inch Surface, and lots of people have wondered why Microsoft didn't opt for Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors and Windows on ARM. Paul Thurrott reports that Microsoft wanted to use an ARM processor for the Surface Go, but that Intel intervened.

Intel reportedly "petitioned Microsoft heavily" to use its Pentium Gold processors instead of ARM ones. It's not clear why Microsoft didn't push ahead with its ARM plans for Surface Go, but in my own experience the latest Snapdragon chips simply don't have the performance and compatibility to match Intel on laptops just yet. Microsoft has been working hard to improve this though, despite Intel's threats it would sue competitors like Qualcomm if they attempt to emulate Intel's x86 instruction set architecture.

Wintel looms large.

Previously: The Surface Go Reviews Are In, and... They're a Bit All Over the Place

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  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Saturday August 25 2018, @02:05AM (2 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Saturday August 25 2018, @02:05AM (#726115) Journal

    Considering M$'s long, sordid history of bribing governments (*cough* Munich *cough*) and other dirty pool to get them to switch back to M$ every time they venture to try open source, why wouldn't they be totally venal about propositions from other large corporations that they don't see as direct competitors?

    If they were direct competitors, M$ would try to cut their throats of course.

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday August 25 2018, @03:36AM (1 child)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Saturday August 25 2018, @03:36AM (#726135) Journal

      At a certain point "discounts" turn products into "loss leaders" and "loss leaders" turn into plain losses.

      Are Intel's reserves deep enough to beat the competition without hurting themselves too badly (not that Microsoft cares)

      --
      "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @02:26AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @02:26AM (#726123)

    Film at 11.

    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday August 25 2018, @03:27AM (3 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Saturday August 25 2018, @03:27AM (#726131) Journal

      Bring popcorn.

      --
      --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday August 25 2018, @03:30AM (2 children)

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday August 25 2018, @03:30AM (#726132) Homepage

        The JEWS are doing it.

        " Please scan the asteroid field for me, Lieutenant, and report.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:43PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:43PM (#726269)

          The stupid is strong in this one.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @07:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @07:31PM (#726319)

            But, Intel develops and manufacturers most of the x86 in Israel so it really is "the JEWS" who are doing it... No? :D

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:52AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:52AM (#726153)

    I thought it was INTEL trying to woo Microsoft...

    Looks to me like INTEL crapped their pants big time with what looks to me like a botched backdoor, which INTEL apparently put in to make some post-sale control freaks happy.

    And now they are trying to shuff the mess into Microsoft's lap.

    Will Microsoft adopt a known bag-o-bugs into their empire and build on it?

    Looks like they will.

    Ahhh... the Art of Salesmanship!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @01:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @01:34PM (#726227)

      to be fair all modern mainstream chipsets have bugs and trash in them due to the sheer over-complexity. Sometimes you just have to pick the lesser of bad and dont get a 'good' choice.. And often times picking the oldest and largest player in the field is that choice.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @08:29AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @08:29AM (#726175)

    Seems to me like the purchasing guy got laid along with a nice fat bag of unmarked $100 notes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @05:36PM (#726268)

      Seems to me like the purchasing guy got laid along with a nice fat bag of unmarked $100 notes.

      Fat whores are usually cheaper than $100 per wallowing.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @01:29PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @01:29PM (#726226)

    You mean bribed and threatened.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @09:42PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25 2018, @09:42PM (#726362)

    "Begging" MS is nothing compared to damaging third parties like the the full Linux ecosystem to avoid any ARM progress.

    https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/general-linux-open-source/1042503-why-linux-s-direct-rendering-manager-won-t-add-a-generic-2d-acceleration-api?p=1042596#post1042596 [phoronix.com] :

    Originally posted by willmore
    Intel doesn't want ARM chips to benefit from such an interface so their people do all they can to block it. That's the missing summary of the story.

    Pretty much. Mind you, blitting is horrible even for just drawing text compared to graphics cores so it's really only there for hardware that doesn't have graphics at all. Everyone else would be even better off with using a 3d game engine to draw widgets. Blitting is really that bad.

    https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/general-linux-open-source/1042503-why-linux-s-direct-rendering-manager-won-t-add-a-generic-2d-acceleration-api?p=1042685#post1042685 [phoronix.com] :

    Originally posted by starshipeleven
    This is bullshit. All ARM devices with monitor/screen connections have a 3D GPU of some kind.

    It's what I've heard from many different ARM SoC developers for a long time. These chips have separate 2D engines--mostly for historical reasons. But they are functional as we've had code to drive them for years. But, there has been a specific resistance to adding a generic 2D API to the DRM and that resistance has come from Intel.

    The people who keep saying "just use the 3D engine" are missing the point. The 3D engines are always poorly documented and their support is marginal at best. The 2D engine support is mature and only lacking a common API to be made better use of. The 2D support we're looking at isn't anything fancy, it's simple blits for scrolling the screen, drawing text boxes, drawing glyphs with color space expansion, etc.

    So the rumor says Intel do everything they can to fuck up Linux if they don't benefit. I knew where their asshole level reached doing 3D their own way instead of Gallium... but telling others what to do with DRM, is a new level.

    With vendor support like this, you start to wonder if no support was better, at least there was real freedom to do whatever was best for the OS as a whole. Maybe Intel should be billed the carbon credits too.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @01:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 26 2018, @01:48PM (#726544)

    Can't anyone build a chip for the emulate Intel's x86 instruction set?

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