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Brett Kavanaugh has been confirmed as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. The vote was 50-48 in favor of Kavanaugh.
Senators Collins, Flake, and Manchin had already announced their intentions to confirm Kavanaugh before the vote was held. Senator Lisa Murkowski, who was previously ready to vote "no", agreed to vote "present" instead so that Senator Steve Daines could attend his daughter's wedding instead of being present in the Senate to support Kavanaugh.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @09:34PM (100 children)
I've been following politics for a long time and I've always believed in the process, even when it didn't go the way I personally wanted it to. But the last two decades have made it clear to me that the entire system has devolved into one that I no longer recognize. I want back all the time I spent reading voter pamphlets and following news stories in an attempt to make informed voting decisions. I want back the countless hours I spent debating with family, friends, colleagues, and neighbors about politics and the importance of the voting process and our civic responsibility to defend that right. It's not important and our votes do not matter. Politicians have distorted and twisted the rules to ensure the public has no meaningful influence over their government. The American people have been expertly divided into two political groups of nearly identical size and pitted against each other. It's all a distraction and I'm sick of caring about it. I will not cast another vote. Fuck the republicans. Fuck you democrats. You're all corrupt and equally responsible for the dismal state of politics.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @09:45PM (15 children)
Please reconsider. The Libertarian Party and the Green Party are worth voting for. I'll be splitting my vote this November between both of them.
Not voting only empowers the uniparty.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:23PM (2 children)
Yes, or potentially groups like Justice Democrats and various other smaller groups within the parties that have requirements about policy.
I'm planning on mostly just voting for any candidate on the ballot that's refusing to take corporate money, regardless of what their policy positions are because that's the only policy position that really matters. After the elections if those candidates get in, you can talk to them and make your wishes heard, but if they're taking the money, then it doesn't much matter who they are.
In some ways this is going to be a tough year in terms of voting. I hate my democratic senator, but I'm terrified about what would happen if the GOP gains another seat given the damage they've already done to our democracy.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:03PM (1 child)
vote for them, but don't give them money. the dnc will claw the money back for the candidates they like. it is what hillary clinton had the dnc do when she took over the party-- claw the money back and give it to her instead.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @07:57PM
This is a good reason to look towards the Libertarians and Greens. Anybody who donated to Bernie Sanders should never forget that their money went into Clinton's coffers.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:37PM (5 children)
No, individuals may be worth voting for but parties are organizations dedicated to amassing power at the expense of all else.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:39AM (4 children)
> dedicated to amassing power at the expense of all else.
dedicated to dismantling power held over citizens
FYFY
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:42AM (3 children)
Yes, you must. Let me know when you plan on starting.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:18AM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:46PM (1 child)
Nah. Kids today got no work ethic. He quit before he even finished listing everything that needed fixing.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 08 2018, @12:08AM
Get a room dudes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:06AM
thats funny. If you want a protest vote, do, get other people to, write in Lyndon LaRouche. imagine the shitstorm if he garnered a statistically significant anount of votes.
No, he is a crank, and a crackpot, but it would hopefully wake everyone else up.
just a bit surprised Wikipedia says he's still alive. the LaRouchies were comic relief on the UW campus in the late 80s)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:11PM (2 children)
"Not voting only empowers the uniparty."
But voting for a party so small that you would literally need to convince half the country to do the same for it to matter means you'll be handing Trump 2020 just like how you'll be handing the GOP the senate very soon. Well played. Enjoy the country you'll be empowering.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:59PM
What else do you suggest? Ammo box?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:49PM
By not voting third party you ensure even more power will accrue to the two parties that are already supremely corrupt and authoritarian. Spending your vote to make sure the wrong lizard doesn't get elected is insane.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:18PM (1 child)
Notably the green party is more openly sexist than is the DNC or the RNC. It says so right there in their charter. The Libertarian party is of some interest, until the stoner actually speaks. The thing is, that these parties do not have mutually exclusive interests. Good environmental mangement is good economic policy.
The oddities of the parties are not neccessarily something to be particularly disappointed about. In either case, the only thing to do is start a local chapter and make it your own. If you can get enough people together, you can tweak the platform to your liking. In any case, yeah. The time to start was 2016. So get out there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @06:54PM
The identity politics is the one thing that gives me pause with the Green Party, but as TMB suggests always look at what individual candidates are proposing. I'd go with Socialist Equality Party over Green Party since Trotskyism explicitly rejects identity politics, but SEP is very small and looks to only have 1 candidate in the entire USA. Most voters in the USA will have at least one Green or Libertarian candidate on their ballot, often many. Libertarian Party in particular is very good about getting ballot access.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @09:47PM (1 child)
This too shall pass, maybe you said the same thing when Bush2 was elected by the Supreme Court, but then you gave voting another try a few years later.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:25PM
And the only reason that it didn't happen again is that nobody bothered to challenge the hundreds of thousands of irregular votes in Ohio because the court had previously ruled that they wouldn't allow a partial recount even if that's the only way to finish the recount in time for the results to be certified.
The GOP has been getting away with this for far too long and the democrats are in part responsible. That and the various ignorant voters that think that this is a game. It's not a fucking game and tens of thousands of people die as a result of the corruption every year.
(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Saturday October 06 2018, @09:48PM (49 children)
Then go out one last time and vote straight ticket R. It is the best way to end this. If the Progs do not get the Blue Wave their pollsters have been promising they are gonna lose it. They do not have a Century of experience with graceful losing, they are used to winning pretty much all of the time. Even when a Republican occasionally won before their control of the media, academia, courts, deep state machinery, etc, assured it was only a speed bump, only a change in the rate of winning. Losing is entirely outside their mental model and they aren't exactly the most stable to begin with. If they get another wipe out in Nov they will become violent.
We will finally get this party started! Civil War 2.0 will begin.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @10:37PM
Yes! Vote Republican! Conservative stupidity did not crash the economy in 2008. Republican stupidity did not invade Iraq for no reason and create ISIS. There are only 12% of American that are Republican, the bottom level of support for George W. Taking over the court is only an attempt to force their Stepford Wives morally down the throats of the rest of us. Tyranny! Vote for the Minority Tyrant Party, The Gargantuan Overlord Party!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:17PM (26 children)
And there it is. There is your naked, unmasked, cackling nihilism apparent for the world to see. People like you are the reason we've come to this.
Well, you'll get your civil war at this rate. And die in it. And fry in Hell. And if it still happens to be going on by the time you get out of Hell, put it this way, you're not gonna like what and where you come back as.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:29PM (25 children)
I've asked you before: Do you REALLY want to see a civil war? It won't go as you expect. One of the first lessons learned by people who study war is, the first casualty in any battle is the battle plan.
Someone like me, or like Buzzard, might just shoot EVERYONE who claims to be either D or R. They all deserve it. Nothing of consequence would be lost. The only survivors are Independent, and third party. That way, we could sit back and watch as a whole new corrupt government evolved.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:41PM (24 children)
*I* don't want to see one, you fucking asshole. Nihilistic shitstains like J-Mo do. And I wonder sometimes if you do, too.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:55PM (23 children)
LMAO - want a serious answer?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 07 2018, @06:07PM (22 children)
I doubt you're capable of one. Your actions speak for you. But, sure, I could use the laughs.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 07 2018, @06:40PM (21 children)
Alright then -
A civil war will be uglier than most liberals have ever dreamed. Maybe uglier than the war-happy conservative capitalists have dreamed, as well.
But, it might be better than allowing the progressives to have control. The so-called left is hardly any more left than the R's are, but they are strongly into authoritarianism. That left makes me look silly as hell with my claims of being an authoritarian. The REAL difference between me, and them, is the legitimacy of authority. If I recognize an authority as being legitimate, then I respect it. If I don't recognize an authority as legitimate, I fight it.
Your left wants to create it's own authority by force. There is no legitimacy to either the force, or the authority which they desire. None.
But, if the right stands by, and watches the "left" proceed, it's possible that the progressives could win. Chances are slim, but the possibility exists.
Yes, I'd rather see twenty million dead liberals lying in the streets, than to see their progressive heros taking over this country. And, I'll willingly sacrifice five million dead conservatives and independents to put a stop to the progressives.
The tree of life must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots, from time to time.
And, welcome to reality, where most important decisions by nations are settled by force. As it has been for tens of thousands of years, so it will be for tens of thousands of years into the future.
Have you ever considered the dystopias portrayed in much of science fiction? Have you never imagined one of those dystopias, in which death is preferable to living? The dystopia being offered to us by the progressives is one in which a child can be punished, and branded for life, if he so much as notices that his own skin is not the same color as that of his teacher, or one of his class mates. In this computer age, any "deviant" behaviour will be documented, put into a database, and NEVER forgotten.
Progressives promise a number of things, which I fear, and despise, with their racial inequality ranking high. "People of color" vs "white and Asian". It's already real, it has made it into headlines. Follow that to it's logical conclusion - if you're brown, or black, you get a leg up in education, employment, in everything. If you're white, or Asian, you get shit on, and you're lucky if you can ever get a job cleaning septic tanks, or collecting garbage.
The party, as well as the progressives, have forgotten Martin Luther King, who had a dream. They've abandoned his dream. Today, they don't want equality, they want vengeance.
And, I, for one, am not willing that my grandchildren should be cast into some third-rate citizen role, to make those brown or black people happy. I side with King - my great grandchildren should compete with black, white, brown, and Asian for their place in life. And, the best man/woman for the job should win the job.
Political correctness? I've fought that bullshit since I first heard of it. It was a Soviet construction - if you were in good graces with the party, then you were politically correct. Fuck PC. Seriously, just fuck PC. Progressives promise to enslave my descendants, at the expense of brown and black people. Just fuck them.
Twenty million dead progressives? Make it fifty million - it's all the same to me. A future with slavery in it looks pretty damned bleak, no matter whether it's my descendants, or yours, or whoever's. We had a war, ~150 years ago, over a number of issues, including slavery. Today, "liberals" want to go back and explore slavery. Kill 'em all, and let God sort them out.
The bunch of dumb bastards in charge of the Democrat party need to pull their heads out of their asses, BEFORE they spark that civil war. Once the first few shots are fired, there will be no mercy.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 07 2018, @08:26PM (19 children)
Finally, you show your true colors. I hope everyone fuckin' sees this. You're ratshit insane and your entire post is a collection of unfounded grievances and outright category errors. Shit, I might copypasta the entire thing into a journal entry and spread it around so everyone can see it. This is your swan song. And it proves I was right about you: you are just as toxic as j-mo.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 07 2018, @10:56PM (18 children)
Uh-huh - I also hope everyone sees my post. I really want everyone to know where I stand. I AM an American, and I put America and Americans first. As stupid and as selfish and as crazy as the right is - the left is even crazier. You people STILL have butthurt that Hillary lost!! We STILL have the "resistance". And, you are all so fucking stupid that you have no idea just how easy it would be to tip the nation into a civil war.
Someone posted a journal entry recently, in which she apparently doesn't comprehend the stuff she wrote: https://soylentnews.org/~Azuma+Hazuki/journal/3559 [soylentnews.org]
IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!! And, still, the "left" pushes, and pushes, and pushes.
Isn't it time that your left got back to it's supposed task of looking out for the working man and woman? Labor made some huge strides, prior to the '80's. Then, your left abandoned the working people, and started playing identity politics. Black lives matter? Why not American lives? All Americans, together, like MLK said.
But, no, you don't want that, do you? Lives only count if they are black lives, or gay lives, or women's lives, or any of the other "special" and protected groups.
Civil war? Keep playing your little games. And, while the progressives promote all those games, the OTHER crazy party is busy enabling the rich to push all of us deeper into debt. Student loans got you down? Well, the D's should have been ahead of that little game. Instead they've been distracting all of us with meaningless bullshit.
True colors? I'm an American. What about you? Would you risk your life for that of a white heterosexual Christain male? Be honest - would you? You've certainly wished an eternity in hell on enough of them.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 07 2018, @11:19PM (17 children)
First of all, and I've said this many times before, based on several friends' past-life experience including my own girlfriend's, Hell is not eternal. Not even close. It lasts as long as it has to, and is as horrible as it has to be, for people to repay the balance of what they've done and then reincarnate in a form that will allow them to learn the lessons they need, as simply suffering doesn't teach you much of anything. Actually, "Hell" is a very loaded term for it and a rather poor one, much as "God" does not even begin to describe the...hm, how do I put this, this All-Existence I tend to refer to as (The) Source. It's just convenient terminology for a largely Christian or Christianized milieu. The map is not the territory. Consider the phrase "Myself, am Hell" from Paradise Lost; that sums it up nicely. When I speak of facing one's inner demons I mean it very literally.
Second, there you go with the identity politics again. I have no problem with "straight white Christian males" in vacuum; what I have a problem with is how all too many of them act. My problem with you is that you're an asshole, and frankly, I have my doubts about you actually being straight (but that's neither here nor there...).
Third: As I've ALSO said before, I'm an independent. I'm just well-read enough in history to know what happens when people like you get in power or get the sort of policy you like passed. Which of us is bitching about race here? YOU, not me. Your entire rant boils down to "Brown people are getting stuff I don't think they deserve" with a heaping helping of overheated whinging about how your grandchildren will be slaves to them.
Get wrecked. You're about to get exactly what you say you want in this country and I hope you choke on it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 08 2018, @12:18AM (1 child)
Yeah, this is a watershed moment in history. Can the xenophobes come to terms with their bigotry and stupidity? Or will they continue their campaign of hatred and division.
It is amusing how Clinton whataboutism still reigns supreme. They didn't get to lock her up, but with any luck this extended rage-boner will give them all heart attacks. For the occasional female Trumpster it will probably more resemble implosion when reality interjects on their worldview.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 08 2018, @01:39AM
Female voters rejected Hillary by a greater margin than male voters. And, in the most recent melodrama - 3/4 of women in this country rejected Ford's claims. I don't know about "female Trumpster" bullshit, but maybe women are overall smarter than you give them credit for?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 08 2018, @12:28AM (14 children)
First, you know shit about the afterlife. You've chosen to believe one version of the Christian idea - a version that has little if any support in the Bible.
Second, I told you that I'm an asshole. Are you fucking stupid, and trying to pretend that you've discovered something new and shocking? Jesus Christ . . . Then, of course, you attempt to question/attack my sexuality, suggesting that I might be queer. Again, Jesus Christ!
Third - no matter your claim to be independent, you support just about everything the progressives stand for.
How about we continue all of this in one thread? Some crazy woman dedicated a post in her journal to attacking me. Just take it there, and we can let this one lie where it lies.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday October 08 2018, @01:09AM (13 children)
My belief is much more along the lines of either Hinduism or Buddhism (haven't quite sorted out that anatman thing yet) than Christianity. And yes, we all know you're an asshole. That's not the point. It's the specific kind of asshole you are that's the problem. And what's wrong with being queer?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 08 2018, @01:20AM (12 children)
It's you who makes the charge of queerness, repeatedly, like it's a detestable thing.
What's really wrong with queer is, if I were queer, I might be more like you!!
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday October 08 2018, @03:04AM (11 children)
Man, I am *really* getting under your thin psoriatic skin tonight, aren't I? If you were queer you might actually have turned out less of a smoking dumpster fire of a human being, given what you'd have suffered for it and learned from it. Turn in for the night before you have apoplexy, old man. Wouldn't wanna die before that civil war you have such a permanent half-a-woodie for starts, now would you?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 08 2018, @07:08AM (10 children)
No, 'Zumi, it is I who has gotten under your skin. I'm so far under your skin, I can see the individual cells moving from your lungs, to your - uhhhhh - is that lump over there your heart? Wow. Most people have something that look more like this: https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.eu0t0YgjNYXgDa5BaXH7ygHaHa&pid=Api [bing.com]
It isn't I who has dedicated a journal entry to a dog whistle campaign to put you down.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 08 2018, @02:09PM (6 children)
I have never experienced a civil war personally, but I imagine the immediate precursor is a fever pitch that looks like this.
The difficult thing about this one that's brewing is that it will be tough to figure out who's on which side. North vs. South was pretty clearly geographically delineated. They had Copperheads and that sort of thing, but mostly it was clear. This is going to be worse than Yugoslavia, where everyone was mixed up together.
I have half a mind to propose an Ask Soylent about how we get through it all. Do we set up a ham radio system, mesh networks, evacuation routes with supply caches, safe houses?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 08 2018, @02:42PM (2 children)
For now look to darknets. Stay away from major cities, and keep a bug-out bag stocked, ready, and with you at all times. Make sure you already know where you will evacuate to with your loved ones and how you will get there without relying on major highways. Make sure to rotate any canned foods you've stocked up so that if it's still five years until we run out of gas on the side of the road, you don't find that your stores have gone bad. Ham radio operators are important, but they will not become crucial until after N-day.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday October 08 2018, @04:30PM (1 child)
I wish I could PM you somehow, but since you insist on posting AC...it's fairly clear we've just passed a major inflection point in the timeline with this nomination. I'm not using any fancy equipment or anything to determine this; I've simply got well-tuned wetware. A number of possible futures have been irrevocably shunted off into the Dirac Sea, so to speak, and a few have suddenly become more likely.
Given this, what do you think is going to happen over the next couple of years? When is "N-Day" appearing in your probability calculus, what sets it off, and where does it begin?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 08 2018, @07:05PM
The timing is important. When things get moving it would of course be best to be far away from large cities. In the meantime, the large cities are where the jobs are that pay well enough to support a family. So does everyone leave the cities now and scratch out a living in the Rockies on a survivalist's compound for 5 years until chaos ensues, or should everyone hang tight for 4 years and lay down solid evac plans?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 08 2018, @02:56PM (2 children)
AC's answer to your post is pretty much the stock answer. I'll add, know your friends and neighbors - especially any zealots, on either side. Avoid those zealots, even if you think you're on the "same side", because they will blame you for not supporting them. But, get the hell out of the cities - that's where the shit will get deep, and uninhabitable first.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 08 2018, @07:19PM
I know what my plan is to get out of NYC. We rather had three dry runs in 9/11, the Northeast blackout of 2003, and the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy when all the gas stations ran dry. 15 million people can't go anywhere fast. Driving barely works on a regular day, much less when something big happens. Walking doesn't even work well, because with that many people you can't walk fast. It's a slow shuffle across the bridges and through the tunnels.
The only chance is to pick routes that wouldn't occur to others and try to get ahead of the human wave that will strip the surrounding communities bare. Even the best prepared and fittest, though, will be hard put to make it.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday October 09 2018, @11:58AM
Thats literally already the case in California now... cities uninhabitable due to sidewalks covered in hepatitis shit
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday October 08 2018, @04:27PM (2 children)
Runaway, this is public service. Apparently some people don't know exactly what you are. Now they do, and it's imperative that they do. If you were just standing around on the subway with your dick in your hand ranting about the great jewish weather-control conspiracy or some shit, I wouldn't care. But a lot of people read this site, and I don't want you infecting them. THAT'S why I did this. You yourself register as barely a blip.
It's amazing what a thin skin people like you and Hallow have. Almost like you can dish it out but can't take it...hm...where've I seen that before...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 08 2018, @05:42PM (1 child)
Uhhhh - yeah. Public service. And, in your post just above you're praying to AC and/or Chthulhu to tell you what the future holds. Well tuned wetware and such shitzls. And, you call ME crazy?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday October 08 2018, @05:57PM
References to Cthulhu are grim, dark jokes, Runaway. Cthulhu is the avatar of madness, so it seems proper to invoke his name in the modern world. And I'm playing with AC, but on the off chance he's actually onto something, it may be interesting. At worst, it's amusing.
I notice you RWA types have some serious problems with being overly literal. Nuance is not your strong suit. And you just. Keep. Responding. To. Me. I'm guessing you're typing this standing up, with that level of butthurt?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 08 2018, @12:23AM
I trust you will do the right thing and willingly lay your head on the chopping block in front of "the tree of life[sic]" when the time comes?
So, you have now abandoned the American political experiment entirely? Well, I guess there is at least a certain value in admitting your treachery.
I don't really think of myself as a progressive, so I can't really claim to speak for them. Nevertheless, my sense is that they do want justice but they will take vengeance if that is the only thing on offer. Those with clues will have to decide how to proceed going forward.
Fascinating! Truly amazing! Conservative Republicans now control all three branches of the federal government and yet they can actually drape themselves in the mantle of oppressed vctim at the same time. One wonders how it is even possible.
And even a Crusade reference to Arnaud Amalric, [wikipedia.org] with no apparent irony! Well played, sir! Well played!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:41AM (12 children)
How about I not do that?
How about we not do that? You seem to be as eager as Azuma for this to happen.
(Score: 2, Troll) by jmorris on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:42AM (11 children)
America is currently multiple tribes thrown onto a common land who share almost nothing in common. The vision Progs have for this territory is utterly incompatible with Americans continuing to live on it as Americans. America is utterly incompatible with their vision, if my faction restores America as Founded and intended the Progs are themselves without a homeland. The 3rd world invaders the Progs have dumped into our midst have to date shown little inclination to adopt anything approximating American values, many openly call for Americans to instead adopt their alien ways and languages. La Raza (whatever they rebranded to, it is a sham I don't intend to respect enough to Google) openly speaks of tearing off the whole SouthWest part of the U.S. and rejoining it to Mexico. The Muslims want Sharia zones. And so on.
War is coming. It is not stoppable at this point, the only questions left are the timing and the initial starting conditions for each faction. And as I said above, the Progs only avoid open violence because they have been winning without firing a shot. The second they believe they are losing with little hope of reversing that trend before their situation becomes enough worse that their odds of winning an appeal to arms is diminished, they will not hesitate to strike while they still can. My side had been retreating for a Century but was just about of ground to surrender, had the Trumpening not come along when it did we would probably have had to start the festivities soon.
Everybody has evaluated the tactical landscape and come to the conclusion that whoever attacks first does so at a huge disadvantage but when the alternative is total extermination (or worse) anyway.... sooner or later the equilibrium will be upset enough that one of the sides will either be forced to go first or a side will think it has sufficient advantage that it can win it all.
Haven't even heard anyone who actually understands the situation propose a peaceful way out of this mess. It is gonna go foom.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:32AM
While your at it, the Hassidic & Conservative Jews have their quasi-autonomous zones in the northeast, where some degree of civil court is heard in and ajudicated in their "kosher kourts" (beth din). recalling a story I read about a non-Jew's...challenges... dealing with a bike accident he had riding through one of those enclaves in NYC. then there are the Amish & other significant Anabaptist communities that have some measure of legal autonomy from their surrounding communities. There are the enclaves like Colorado City, UT, that are more or less fundamentalist LDS outcast/heretics autonomous zones (they elect their own sheriffs so handle their local law enforcement, as it were...and keep the riffraff out). Theres the whole Hutterite thing thats been on a slow boil in Montana for years. Or all the various insular ethnic/religious enclaves everywhere in the US who desire to keep thing "in house" as it were, and simply won't report things out of the community. Or "The Originals", how tribal lands in the US are definitely distinct and very distinct judicial systems from surrounding jurisdictions. or, hell, even deferring pedophile Roman Catholic priests to be "dealt with" by the Church...
Heep tilting at those windmills...
The point is, all the religious whackery "ism" you object to Islamic people professing to do already exists in the US and is well-established.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @10:25AM (2 children)
Where's my "-1 Extreme idiotic" mod when I need it.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:50PM (1 child)
Never gonna happen. Insults and disagreements should be typed not clicked.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 08 2018, @12:20AM
Tell that to your circle-jerk-brigade.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:36PM (1 child)
Yeah. Sadly you are probably right. Looking sidelong at the twitter crowd calling for my death every day though, I don't see much of an enemy. They can't clean a rifle or grow their own food, or really take care of themselves in any way. I don't think it will be much of a war. More like standing by and watching them starve themselves.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:56PM
Should be entertaining, yep. The only D voters with guns in significant numbers are the gangs and there just aren't enough of them to matter.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:52PM (4 children)
I think there's a two-prong strategy here that would work fine: 1) don't screw up the economy any more than it has been, and 2) serious prison time for anyone who tries to start civil war 2.0. My take is that the conflict you mention is driven mostly by economic competition from the developing world combined with dumb local policies that have driven up cost of living considerably. Cheap developing world labor versus artificially expensive developed world labor.
My take is that a good portion of the above problems will sort themselves out as the developing world becomes more wealthy and a good portion of it nears wage parity with the developed world over the next two decades. We just need to run out the clock a little and much of the economic drive for civil war 2.0 will go away.
As for the ideologies, they've always been there. They haven't always had this many followers. More people follow these sorts of movements when times are tough.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:00PM
Two decades? We've been waiting on that for a century already. The only way Mexico will ever achieve something approaching economic parity with the US is if we tank the shit out of our own economy.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:58PM (2 children)
As I said, nobody who understands the issues involved sees a way out. Clearly you do not.
Economics are only part of the problem but it is insurmountable on its own. One side wants full on Venezuelan, Cuban, etc. Communism and the other wants a freer market than the "mixed" economy we suffer from now. Hint: Corporatism is not a free market, it is closer to Fascism. Look at all the Fasces that went up around the time we adopted Corporatism and realize it isn't a coincidence and it isn't, as often deflected with, some throwback to Roman times.
One side wants to extend the sexual revolution beyond gays, beyond trannies to fucking children. The other side increasingly wants to put the perverts in ovens. As I leave Libertarianism and see there appears no way to roll this filth only part way back I lean more toward toward the oven solution daily. If Democrats keep doubling down, forcing the choice to eventually be one of standing by while they "normalize" fucking children or putting every Democrat in the country into an oven, I gotta go with the ovens. Did not expect to end up there, but reality doesn't care.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Monday October 08 2018, @03:00AM (1 child)
The former is mostly strengthened due to the economic stress the developed world is under at present. Take that away and most of its followers will lose interest just as happened before in the US after the Great Depression ended.
The deflection is accurate here. Roman Republic/Empire symbology was adopted first by the US and has been present since the beginning of the US. For example, the neo-classical style of buildings in Washington DC long predates the adoption of Roman symbols by Fascism. For example, construction on the Capitol Dome started around 1855. We also have a variety of cities named after cities or persons of Roman antiquity such as Cincinnati, Ohio (named 1790), Rome, Georgia (named 1834), and Naples, Florida (named some point in 1870s or 1880s).
Meanwhile I see use of the fasces in 1915 for the design of the Mercury dime which predates establish of fascism. The designer was a neo-classical artist with heavy use of such imagery.
Culturally, Roman symbology goes all the way to the beginning of the US, such as the Society of the Cincinnati [wikipedia.org]. So US instances of fasces aren't an indication of Fascism, but rather a hearkening back to the Roman Republic, just as those symbols were for the Fascists.
Ok. Pedophiles aren't magically powerful in their ability to influence others, and they're present in the conservative side as well. Nor do we have an indication that pedophilia is on the rise. I think this "Do it for the kids" argument is beneath you.
This is a classic demonization argument. Sure, there's a lot of nutty people out there, but sorry, they're not normalizing pedophilia. But one needs an argument like that, if you're working yourself up to stuff someone in an oven rather than trying to "understand the issues involved".
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Monday October 08 2018, @06:56PM
Wrong. Do you even know how to use your side's info networks? Google and Wikipedia say Italian Fascism started in, wait for it, 1915. Two years after Woodrow Wilson, the father of American Fascism, was elected here. When was the Lincoln Memorial, filled with fascist imagery built? When did the fasces get added to the United States House of Representatives? Care to revise and extend your remarks?
Yes they are. You might not want to see it yet but yes, as World War Trans winds down and they are mopping up by shooting the wounded, adding the second P to the letter salad has already begun. The next battle ends when Roman Polanski comes home to a hero's welcome. He fled the country after being convicted of fucking a thirteen year old girl in the ass. (Don't worry, Whoppi has decreed it wasn't "rape rape" and since the check cleared the now adult woman is fine with clearing his name and letting him come home.) They want to normalize that, open your eyes and look at what your side's leading edge "thinkers" are writing. You are already either expending a great deal of effort in NOT seeing it or lying. Personally I tend toward the lying hypothesis.
You are correct that pedos are everywhere. But one side thinks they are evil and need to be put in prison (or just shot) and the other side thinks they are the next frontier in intersectionality.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:10AM (6 children)
As I lately said elsewhere, I think next time the left gets majorly thwarted, the paid Antifa (as distinguished from the LARPers) will morph into our own version of the IRA. Which is probably just as well, since better if the public can see them for what they are. And the response? Hey, leftards, you want martial law? this is how you get martial law.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:38AM
and ai'm Emmanuel Goldstein.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:40PM (4 children)
My understanding is that the IRA believed in the cause and were prepared to die for it. The pathetic paid LARPers making up Antifa are not the same class of humans as IRA members. They are heavily programmed post-modernists, each believing the world revolves around themselves and their cellphone. They will crumble instantly.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:40PM (2 children)
Yes, I agree entirely, but there does exist a core of genuine, committed, well-paid Antifa -- look how different they are in Europe (where Antifa is mostly genuinely dangerous thugs who don't back down) from the mostly-LARPers in the U.S. Once our LARPers crumble, the committed types will remain. Not many, but enough to be a problem, at least in the cities where they've made a habit of letting thugs operate as they please. Here in flyover country, their careers would get, ah, truncated.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:02PM (1 child)
They're not enough to be a problem now, even if they were all committed to the cause. They would be a non-issue if mayors and police chiefs didn't tell their cops to stand down and let them do whatever they like.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:40PM
And there's the rub. Knock a few of 'em into the bushes and the LARPers would all slink away. The rest aren't a serious problem YET. Hopefully those cities will get their act together and keep 'em that way, but I wouldn't count on it.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:37PM
Not "instantly", but pretty quickly.
Look up the Redneck Revolt. https://www.redneckrevolt.org/ [redneckrevolt.org] Basically, it's a militia organization, which backs up Antifa. The real military arm of Antifa. I don't really know their quality - I doubt they can fight a sustained battle against Boy Scouts. But, we may presume that they will put up a fight, for awhile, anyway. Lots of idiots think that because they have a weapon in their hands, they are a force to be reckoned with.
Even if they surprise the hell out of me, and fight ten times better than I expect, there aren't enough of them to matter, long term. The only way they win, is if they inflict several thousand casualties for each one they suffer.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @07:13PM
In addition to the other comments, you're a dumbass because you failed to notice that many of us, like the person who posted the comment you replied to, are sick of the uniparty. That means we're sick of your vaunted Republican Party, too. I'm sorry your head is so far up your ass you can't see how the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are both complicit in the growing size and intrusiveness of government, the police/surveillance state, massive military spending, foreign wars none of us support, tax cuts for the superwealthy (which you aren't), austerity, the bad joke of our health care industry, corporate welfare in general, and many more things that are destroying this country.
The Republican Party hardly ever wins... you're fucking delusional, man.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday October 06 2018, @10:36PM (29 children)
Almost entirely agree, except I would suggest voting third party or writing in something -- your cat, dog, moldy carrot, whatever. Protest voting separates you from the apathetic who don't vote because they don't care, from people like you who recognize that our system is a farce. Protest voting allows you to make your disgust known to some degree, and the more people who do that, the more the disgust will be obvious.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:11PM (1 child)
All the protests and demonstrations accomplish the same thing in a much more visible way. I suppose ballot write-ins are recorded in the official counts but I doubt they have any real effect on the system. It's not like those in power would ever enact change because more than n% wrote in an invalid protest vote.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:58PM
Write-ins have decided elections. Lisa Murkowski won re-election in 2010 purely from write-ins.
Vote third-party or write-in. It shouldn't take you much longer than an hour every 2 years to vote. That's much less commitment needed than any demonstration you could attend.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:28PM (24 children)
The only way to reform the system that we have available is to only vote for candidates that refuse to take corporate money, regardless of their actual policy position. And it may require not voting or protest voting in other races.
If that doesn't work, then I fear the only option left is to declare hunting season on corrupt politicians. Realistically, I don't see much of an alternative at this point as they just made it clear that what the voters want isn't even remotely of interest to them. There was an entire list of other names to fill this position that would have had similar political views, and I bet most of them don't perjure themselves or sexually assault women.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:07AM (22 children)
Speak for yourself Mr. violent lefty. The Senate just did exactly what I and many many others hoped they would do. They ignored noisy, violent crybullies like you who promised to derail this nomination before Kavanaugh was even chosen. Now we have a Justice that will rule based upon what the law says, not what he feelz in his heart. When law is just a whim to be interpreted based on what the judge thinks is the right way of the day, there really is no law.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:38AM (20 children)
What they did was take another goose step towards an outright dictatorship.
I'm not violent, but the reality here is that we're dangerously close to the point where the only way to have a grievance heard or taken seriously is via terrorism. If you can't see that, then you're a fucking moron. The only factor that matches the voting patterns of members of congress is donor bucks. It doesn't matter that most Americans disapprove of justice Kavanaugh, most of us wanted a real investigation to get to the truth. We didn't get that, what we got was a known perjurer placed on the court to rule against the will of the people and against the constitution wherever possible.
And it's partisan hacks like you that support the system. Just out of curiosity, how much are you being paid for the bullshit?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:34AM (6 children)
He's not being paid anything; he just thinks he's going to get some kind of payoff from this. The stupid fool. The stupid goddamn self-destructive pig-ignorant fool.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:09AM (3 children)
I guess I'd prefer to think that these people are being paid, because that makes at least some modicum of sense and is an easier problem to solve.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:47AM (1 child)
Just change your thinking. You can't fix most of the reasons that people have a different opinion. It can be merely different interests or it can be crazy. But it's not that hard to figure out their motivations, if you think about them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @09:51AM
Says our resident Big Oil "Global Warming is a Hoax" shill!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:18AM
Large segments of the human race are stupid, evil, or some varyingly-proportioned mixture of both. Shitstain over here is gonna end up reincarnated right in the middle of this crap in one of the worst possible ways; think "racial minority, poor, and disabled" here.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:34AM (1 child)
I'm paid in smug satisfaction everytime a liberal comes unhinged when their temper tantrums fail to deliver their misguided political goals. It's like watching a toddler throw fits in Toys R Us when mama says no. Behave rationally and we can work together. Act like a 3 year old and you'll keep getting treated like one.
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:45AM
And yet you are OK with Trump acting like a 3 year old.
Alex Jones lawyer inspires new TV series: CSI Moron Division.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:08AM (10 children)
"I'm not violent but I'm close to advocating terrorism to get my way." Sure... Because a strict constructionist jurist was confirmed to the Supreme Court, we are close to "outright dictatorship." You are probably deranged and still have the cajones to accuse ME of being a paid troll.
A majority (maybe) of Americans in Blue States disapprove of Kavanaugh. You howling lunatics couldn't even bully Collins into voting against confirmation with all the threats, outside money and protests you could buy. The rest of us saw it for what it was: a partisan attack by a not-very-credible psych major who cannot remember even the basic details about an event that has affected her life so considerably but is somehow absolutely sure of the teen who groped - not raped - her. The remaining two allegations are a joke at best. Ramirez admits she was shitfaced drunk and drifted in and out during the penis display incident she alleges. Even then, it took her 6 days of coaching by her attorney to "recover" her memories.
Swetnick's allegations sunk the whole circus. Even Democrats are admitting it. She attended up to ten parties where she witnessed gang rapes or assaults and never one time thought to maybe not go to the next one? She was crazy enough to have an ex-boyfriend file for a restraining order. She was sued for making false statements to an employer. She is alleged to have made false sexual harassment claims after being fired for being untruthful. You couldn't ask for a less credible witness.
You can pin that one on your boy Avanatti. Maybe if you hadn't raised him up to be a authoritative TV god when you hoped the Stormy Daniels crap was the ticket to destroy Trump, he wouldn't have crashed the party and fucked things up. Conservatives were saying he was a hack all along but the MSM made him out to be their Messiah and now they're stuck with him.
I am paid quite handsomely in liberals' tears. I expect a large dividend when I watch This Week on ABC tomorrow morning. It's too bad I dropped cable. I would be collecting a big paycheck tonight watching CNN, I'm sure.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:49AM (9 children)
Even if the accusations brought by Mrs. Ford were a partisan attack, the tone and logic of Mr. Kavanaugh's response was not consistent with that of an innocent man. When asked if he would support a proper investigation he quickly dodged the question by repeating his achievements and credentials. Authority figures and those with power will happily take our freedoms and dismiss our objections with statements like 'if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear'. If Mr. Kavanaugh truly had a clear conscience regarding the accusations then he should have welcomed an investigation. You know...to "clear his good name" and whatnot.
If your daughter claimed that a man sexually assaulted her and, when confronted, that man gave the same response and attitude as Kavanaugh did then you sure as hell wouldn't be at peace with the matter. It is Mr. Kavanaugh's arrogance, outright defiance and angry temperament that makes me believe he is unworthy of a position with the highest court in our country. No, this guy should not be allowed to influence the incredibly important decisions the court will face in the next 30-50 years.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:57AM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:14AM (1 child)
"Give me six lines written by the most honest man, and I will find something there to hang him. "
-- attrib. Cardinal Richelieu (1585-1642)
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @09:55AM
Kind of like having a Star Chamber in Elizabethan times, or a Ken Starr chamber, for whom Kavanaugh worked as a partisan Republican operative while being a member of the Federalist Society and PROBably Opus Dei.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:00AM (2 children)
If your name was dragged through the mud on all the major networks and newspapers and you were accused by women of sexual assault on very flimsy to non-existent evidence, I'm sure you would be more than a little perturbed. He was tried and convicted by the media before any testimony was released.
I was married to a bipolar woman for years and while I was in the process of divorce, I discovered how difficult it is for a man to contradict a poor, helpless woman in distress. Luckily for me, it quickly became glaringly obvious to everyone who was telling the truth and who was lying.
I also dated a girl in high school who spread the rumor as she left town it was to have my baby (her mother moved for a job) despite the fact we had never, ever had any sexual relations of any kind. When she returned a few years later, *SHOCKINGLY* without a baby or any mention of one, she actually tried to get back together with me. Pass...
So yeah, I want to see SOME kind of corroboration or evidence (not secondhand hearsay or speculation) and I DON'T want to hear contradiction or illogical stories before I will convict a person based on the word of anyone. You are welcome to vote on emotion and blind faith but not me.
I guess you missed the part where he said he would support any action the committee decided on. He just wouldn't take the old delay bait and specifically request an FBI investigation from Trump as the Senator tried to goad him into. He knew just like the rest of us that this was all about trying to delay the confirmation in hopes that Democrats would increase their numbers in the Senate after the elections and kill the confirmation along party lines.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday October 07 2018, @12:12PM (1 child)
it sounds like you are drawn to women who are bad for you. fix that first.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @04:13PM
Or they're drawn to me.
Regardless of the direction of attraction, the point stands that there are plenty of crazy women out there, women with an agenda *cough* Stormy *cough* and women who tell lies often enough that they truly believe them (case in point: my ex [1]). Nobody should be "believed" solely because of their gender. They should be heard WITH AN OPEN MIND. If you want to accuse someone - man or woman - of something, I want the facts, not some "I feelz they are telling the truth" crap.
[1] My daughter came home from visitation from my ex one day shortly after our divorce, upset and confused. Her mother had screamed at her during an public gathering yelling that an event she remembered never happened. The was visibly near tears saying "But Dad, I remember seeing it. I remember." I had to console her that she was correct and that it did happen. I was there and witnessed it too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:15AM
And if your son was vilified by 50% of the country - Harvey Weinstein style - with an ever evolving allegation from 36 years ago that nobody can corroborate or even provide any appurtenant details about and he claimed he was totally innocent, would you be so quick to tell him he needs to choose another profession?
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:44PM (1 child)
An investigation? Based on what credible evidence?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday October 07 2018, @02:45PM
I think that was the point: to investigate knowing there was no evidence, so the report would read "No evidence". And maybe worse for the Dems, would uncover their machinations... in fact it sounds like that may have happened and there may be more to come that wouldn't have bit the Dems in the ass if they'd just let it go once it was clear that evidence was lacking. Hoist by their own petard, they are....
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:40PM (1 child)
You're not violent - but you're busily psyching yourself up for violence. Which means that you're willing to resort to terrorism to get your way.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @07:18PM
I believe we owe a lot to a certain group of terrorists who were active from about 1773 until 1783.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:29AM
> based upon what the law says, not what he feelz in his heart
he will base what the law says upon what he feelz in his heart
FTFY
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @01:05AM
Are less obvious about it, maybe.
I'm not sure whether a man honest enough to refrain from perjury (and/or innocent enough to be happy with the truth) could make it to a politician's Supreme Court list, but I'm damn sure "most of them" are nothing like it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @05:35AM (1 child)
in many ways, Donald Trump voters wete "protesting voters". for a crazy quilt list of reasons, but nonetheless...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @07:20PM
Hopefully they've learnt their lesson about con men and are now ready to do the unthinkable and allocate their votes outside of the uniparty.
...I can dream, can't I?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @11:22PM
Yep, it's all BS... There was a Princeton study in 2014 that analyzed twenty years worth of data and concluded that our votes had little weight in the overall system. The first link below is to an article which does a decent job summarizing the study and provides some charts and images to help visualize things. I've also linked the original paper.
https://ivn.us/2015/05/07/voice-really-doesnt-matter-princeton-study-confirms/ [ivn.us]
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf [princeton.edu]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 07 2018, @03:59AM
Goodbye, loser!