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The Guardian reports:
Georgia secretary of state and gubernatorial candidate Brian Kemp improperly purged more than 340,000 voters from the state's registration rolls, an investigation charges.
Greg Palast, a journalist and the director of the Palast Investigative Fund, said an analysis he commissioned found 340,134 voters were removed from the rolls on the grounds that they had moved - but they actually still live at the address where they are registered.
"Their registration is cancelled. Not pending, not inactive – cancelled. If they show up to vote on 6 November, they will not be allowed to vote. That's wrong," Palast told reporters on a call on Friday. "We can prove they're still there. They should be allowed to vote."
[...] Palast and the Georgia Coalition for the People's Agenda filed a lawsuit against Kemp on Friday to force him to release additional records related to the state's removal of voters.
Under Georgia procedures, registered voters who have not cast ballots for three years are sent a notice asking them to confirm they still live at their address. If they don't return it, they are marked inactive. If they don't vote for two more general elections after that, they are removed from the rolls.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday October 24 2018, @12:13AM (12 children)
Even the Communists at the Guardian could find no actual violation of the law in what was done. Election fraud is a real problem and the start of the chain is lots of non-voters still on the rolls ready to be turned into votes by the Democrats on election day. In 2017 Georgia had 190K more registered voters than the adult population of the State. (I found that number in a couple of minutes, learn to search!) If you oppose clearing bad entries from the books then YOU support election fraud, just isn't any other way to look at it.
And if you oppose photo id for voting then YOU support election fraud, again there simply is no other way to see it. You can't do a damned thing in this country anymore without a photo id, except vote. We can have a debate on whether that general trend is good and should be reversed. But so long as you DO need an id to do just about anything it is impossible to also argue that it is an undue burden to demand one to vote. The only possible reason for such an otherwise illogical position is you know full well the Democratic Party depends on fake votes to win and you support their victory above any loyalty to the principles of this nation. In short, you are a traitor and need the rope.
If we want free and fair elections we should be doing what the U.S. Army did in Iraq to accomplish it. Get the registration books sorted out ahead of election day, make sure everyone has been checked and issued a photo id. No early or mail in voting, all voting in person on election day. On the day, election monitors from any candidate on the ballot allowed to observe at polling stations. An empty clear plastic tub has a slot cut in the top and is placed upon an unadorned table. Voters are checked against the registration lists and issued a paper ballot and their fingers dipped in the infamous purple ink. Ballots go into the tub. When the polls close the tub is opened and at the same table the ballots are removed and counted as the watchers witness the counting. Only when the ballots are counted and reported to the central vote counting location is the event done and everyone leaves.
We know how to do it, we just can't seem to do it here for.... reasons? Mostly because Democrats would lose a lot more elections that way and until now Republicans didn't actually want a majority, lest they be forced to admit they really don't have a plan of their own.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Wednesday October 24 2018, @12:29AM
Yeah that's the problem. I'm a reasonable man open to compromise. Voting and buying a handgun should be equally easy at a constitutional level.
Just like the voting booth, my local gun store transactions should not be subject to any bureaucratic interference by politicians.
Or CCW if you'd prefer than instead of handgun purchases, etc etc.
I don't necessarily disagree with your post strictly speaking, and I'd certainly never punch to the right, but I am implying that strategically this might be a better way to fight irrational people. They didn't get irrational by thinking, so providing a rational argument isn't gonna help them; but pulling in their hyper-emotional gun-phobia WILL work to counter them.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 24 2018, @02:34AM (7 children)
In North Dakota there are a great many of them. The voting ID law specifically requires one's ID to have a street address, but many Native residents of the state do not live on streets, they're just out in the countryside somewhere, so their IDs generally have a Post Office Box, which doesn't satisfy that law.
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(Score: 2, Disagree) by jmorris on Wednesday October 24 2018, @02:53AM (6 children)
You are parroting a common Democrat talking point without spending five minutes to find out if it is, as almost EVERY accusation of voter suppression is, a brazen lie. But don't believe me, believe the North Dakota Secretary of State website, wherein one finds that your poor injun is covered by "Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)" in the list of acceptable forms of identification for voting. So while you are possibly factual (didn't dig enough) in that an ID card may not be valid with a P.O. box (and probably shouldn't be valid if you think on the matter for a few seconds) that wouldn't be the typical ID possessed by someone living on a reservation. Because that tribal ID would unlock so many other benefits dependent on tribal membership, like being allowed to live there in the first place.
As I said, don't believe me, read and learn. vote.nd.gov [nd.gov]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @04:09AM (5 children)
Ah yes, hiding behind technicalities, the have of a true coward.
Learn more about how such policies affect real people and you might get a better understanding. Like TMB saying "the governor followed the law" as if that makes it ok?
See that little technicality right there? Some have tribal IDs but without a specific or acceptable address, such as those who just live somewhere on the reservation without any named roads. 35% disenfranchised by that law, and it is clear these policies are specifically crafted to have these results.
By allowing the *possibility* for people to vote Republicans sweep all criticisms aside. Like the "personal responsibility" trope that allows you greedy fucks to strip social programs. "If they're poor that is THEIR fault". Goddamn regressive fuck jmorris, yes your ilk are actually destroying this country and I'll keep repeating it until that dim lightbulb turns on.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:09AM (4 children)
Like I said, stop reading the brazen lies in the FakeNews and read the link I provided to the actual rules. Yes you have to have a permanent address to vote, but just about anything with that address on it can be used to supplement a photo ID that only has a P.O. Box. If you stop being a political hack for a few seconds and try being the sort of high functioning person who has any business posting on a site like this you would be able to work out why that requirement HAS to be a hard and fast one to prevent rampant fraud. This was a long standing and widespread problem in nearby SD back in the Tom Daschle era when the reservations could be counted on to supply however many votes Tom needed to stay a Senator. Pretty safe bet the same thing was equally rampant in ND until they tired of the antics and ended it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:11AM
I did read what you linked, I'm not an asshole like some around here, and then I did some searching and responded with info about how you are missing the point. I'm not a political hack, I give 2 shits for the GOP and 1 shit for the DNC, and I actually care about the decent politicians that are trying to actually help the goddamn country.
If YOU would drop your political hacking for a few seconds you might realize that the "logic" of these laws fails the reality test. But no, you couldn't hear that point and proceeded to spread more lies about "rampant fraud" due to lack of voter IDs.
I just read this story https://www.upi.com/SD-officials-reviewing-vote-fraud-claims/97861039224924/ [upi.com] from an obviously biased outlet and even those allegations were quite tame compared to disenfranchising 340k voters. No whataboutism is going to save you here you fool, two wrongs don't make a right. Did you not learn anything about right and wrong from your parents?
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:23AM (1 child)
Why? Are people without a permanent address not citizens? Are they lesser citizens? Perhaps only 2/3s of a person?
There is no evidence of significant voter fraud that possessing a government-issued ID would prevent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:47AM
Some homeless California folks all registered to vote with their address being under a certain tree in a certain city park, then spent ten years in court to win the right to actually register that way.
In California, Oregon and Washington specifically, for "Residence Address" I was advised to tell them to "put down wherever you hang out".
I registered at the park next to city hall in paso robles, california, and in portland oregon, pioneer courthouse square.
I still have a California homeless-version state ID card: for my address it has what at the time was my postal address at a day center.
If _homeless_ people have the right to vote in North Dakota, how are they affected by the ID law's street address requirement?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 24 2018, @06:39AM
I read a "scathing" article about Deschle which linked to his lawsuit and described it as barring any RNC poll watchers from reservations. I read the report they linked to and it didn't say any such thing. The lawsuit sought to have the RNC watchers conform to existing laws about voter intimidation.
Your "side" is a bunch of loons led around by the nose. You think you are righteous because you believe the lies. Maybe you'd say the same thing about me, but I bothered to actually read up on what you stated and think for myself. It sounds like possibly there was voter fraud, but aside from some juicy random hearsay there was nothing backing it up. I found this particular bit enlightening:
Really? So someone suing the stop voter intimidation is dismissed as "goo-goo nonsense"? Yeaaah, the truth is coming out and you don't look good.
So what you've got is vague accusations of voter fraud which don't seem to have ever resulted in an incriminating investigation, but we have multiple examples of the GOP engaging in voter fraud and intimidation. Keep lying to yourself, seems to be working for you so far /s
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday October 24 2018, @05:31PM (2 children)
Voter ID doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it will do precisely nothing to stop election fraud (ballot box stuffing). Voter ID would stop voting fraud (voter impersonation), but the numbers of proven documented cases are extremely small.
Voter ID is however exceptionally good for voter disenfranchisement when paired with other tactics, such as limiting times in certain areas to acquire said ID, or closing those locations altogether.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Wednesday October 24 2018, @10:41PM (1 child)
To stuff a faked ballot into a ballot box you first have to add an entry to the log for a fake voter or the counts will not match. Large numbers of entries on the books for voters who have moved, died or never even existed in the first place and can therefore be counted on to not actually appear after you have "voted" them are required to pull off widespread fraud. Securing the lists of registered voters from antics is therefore the first step in securing the whole election process.
As for the other stuff, really can't understand why other places can't be more like we run elections. Polls open from daylight to dark, plenty of time for anyone who isn't pulling a 12 hour shift on a similar daylight to dark schedule to vote and most of those get a lunch break so they can also vote. Have never had more than three people ahead of me in line to vote. When I lived in Texas the elections were equally efficient. Seems to be a problem of incompetent Democrats running elections in big Blue shitholes.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 25 2018, @03:22PM
You are still referring to Election Fraud, and not Voter Fraud. Voter ID will do nothing to stop Election Fraud. Purging the rolls of those who have died or moved is a step towards stopping it however.
If the goal was to make sure all citizens are able to vote efficiently I'd have no problem with Voter ID. Look up Alabama DMV closings for a great example of what they did to disenfranchise voters a few years ago. Since then they have walked back most of that after getting their hands slapped by the courts, but that doesn't change the fact that it was done.
Oh, and I'll give you one guess on which party was party to those actions. Hint: it doesn't start with a "d".
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.